Reasonable Person

[woodchip]

We now have a trend starting as a second deranged liberal tried to shoot Trump and thankfully the USSS thwarted his efforts. When the would be shooter son was interviewed, "He said his father hates Trump as ‘every reasonable person does."
Hate Trump all you want, I didn't particularly like Biden or Obama yet I never attempted kill either one. As far as I know, neither did any other conservatives. Yet the liberals, including some here, try to paint conservatives as violent extremist, I'd suggest the real thugs, the real terrorists are the liberals and the leftist who want to control a election, not thru the ballot box but by murdering a candidate. Can't wait to see how they handle thing if Trump is elected.

[Vander]

I'd suggest the real thugs, the real terrorists are the liberals and the leftist who want to control a election, not thru the ballot box but by murdering a candidate.

Yes, why won't liberals stop trying to murder famous election results respecter Donald J. Trump?

[Tunnelcat]

Also considering he voted for Trump in 2016, he's no "liberal". He also is not registered to vote as either a liberal or conservative. And Trump currently is the ONLY candidate that's been dialing up the rhetoric by encouraging violence against those who don't follow him, not the Dems. I could post a ton of videos where Trump encourages his supporters to do violence, but you'd ignore them as usual. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

That would be assassin shouldn't have been able to even own that rifle that he had with him at Trump's golf course. He'd already been charged and convicted with owning a machine gun. He'd been in multiple armed encounters with law enforcement. He was a felon and mentally instable as well. He shouldn't have been able to even have that rifle in his possession. Yet, not one peep from you about strengthening our gun laws. Go fly a kite with your lib bashing hypocrite agenda. This could've been prevented in the first place, but conservatives refuse to even make it hard for crazy felons to buy guns, let alone impossible.

[Krom]

Also the first kid that almost killed Trump was a conservative, registered republican and all.

[vision]

Trump assassination attempts by political affiliation:

Conservatives/Republicans: 2
Liberals/Democrats: 0
Leftists: 0

Not looking good for your team, woody.

[Tunnelcat]

We don't know Routh's political affiliation other than he voted for Trump in 2016, which no liberal worth their salt would do, became dissatisfied with Trump and was a nutcase felon who wanted to go fight with Ukraine against the Russians. What's perfectly clear is that he shouldn't have had that rifle in the first place. You can put the blame squarely on Republicans for that. This is his post on X about Trump before the shooting in June of 2020. Maybe Trump's miserable performance at the debate was the final straw.

"@realDonaldTrump While you were my choice in 2106, I and the world hoped that president Trump would be different and better than the candidate, but we all were greatly disappointment and it seems you are getting worse and devolving. I will be glad when you gone."

Oh, and woody's other jackass racist prick Trumptard of a hero, Elon Musk, had to pull one of his posts from his own platform, X, saying it was just a joke. None of these assholes understand that if you inflame people, they will do crazy things. Actually, maybe they do understand that, but it backfired in their faces.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-deletes ... 00637.html

[Ferno]

We now have a trend starting as a second deranged liberal tried to shoot Trump and thankfully the USSS thwarted his efforts. When the would be shooter son was interviewed, "He said his father hates Trump as ‘every reasonable person does."
Hate Trump all you want, I didn't particularly like Biden or Obama yet I never attempted kill either one. As far as I know, neither did any other conservatives. Yet the liberals, including some here, try to paint conservatives as violent extremist, I'd suggest the real thugs, the real terrorists are the liberals and the leftist who want to control a election, not thru the ballot box but by murdering a candidate. Can't wait to see how they handle thing if Trump is elected.

[TheWhat]

Lettuce be reasonable people and point out that people who commit acts of political violence are bad people that DO NOT believe in democracy.

[Krom]

[Ferno]

That somehow knew he was going to be there.

[Krom]

Doesn't take much of a genius to start watching the schedules of golf courses around Trump for suspicious higher security bookings.

[Top Gun]

I think this one was his own course too.

[Ferno]

And now we wait for the next topic from woodchip.

[TheWhat]

I vote for pagers injected with plastic explosives! Even if you think Israel's government is corrupt and genocidal you have to give them credit for that shiat - making your enemy fear their own communication devices is high level

[Krom]

I would bet it was Israel that planted the idea that they could be tracked from smartphones which made them look for pagers in the first place.

[Vander]

The most moral terrorists.

[vision]

...making your enemy fear their own communication devices is high level

Afraid, the same way people were afraid of planes and skyscrapers after 9/11, the way people are afraid to attend marathons and parades after terrorist attacks there, yeah I can relate. Terrorism makes people afraid, that's the goal. To spread terror.

[Spidey]

Nothing more satisfying than a terrorized terrorist.

[TheWhat]

What are those fuckin psychos fighting over again? Some omnipresent being or olive groves or some ★■◆● like that? I mean, I believe in Star Trek aliens before I believe in the God that tells these sweaty brain wizards whats up - fighting over Connecticut with olive groves and figs and hummus or some ★■◆●. And why is the rest of the world being dragged into it again why? I mean why don't you get a hobby? Ho-hee-ho-ha-ho-hey! I mean go blow up the world so everyone believes in the Chicago Bears or the Houston Astros? I'm going to bomb and rape your family if you don't believe in the Chicago Bears. What a bunch of idiots

[vision]

Nothing more satisfying than a terrorized terrorist.

I'm sure families and friends of the kids that died will agree.

What are those fuckin psychos fighting over again?

Since Oct.7 last year I've been doing a ridiculous amount of research on the conflict. It's complicated, but not for the reasons people generally think. If you want to follow along with me, you actually have to start at the beginning of Western history. Here are some topics you should study that frame the current conflict in a historical context (the religious context is intertwined but ultimately not as important). BTW, I'm practically an expert now.

• The relationship between Mesopotamia, early money and finance, and the Silk Road
• pre-Judean religious beliefs and the influence of Zoroastrianism, Samaritans
• The rise of Christianity
• "Court Jews" and antisemitism in Europe
• Rabbis who favored and opposed assimilation with Christian Europe, Zionism
• "Dhimmi", Jewish life in the Ottoman Empire, and the different types of Jews
• Mass migration of European Jews in the 19th Century
• The fall of the Ottoman empire, Balfour Declaration, and British occupation of Palestine
• an-Nakba

I know you won't actually spend a year studying like I did, so here is the tl;dr version:

Most of the world's anti-semitism comes from Christians, historically. As antisemitism increased, Jews in Europe, who were culturally different than Arab Jews, migrated to the Ottoman Empire where they had better legal protections. The mass migrations strained relationships and slightly destabilized the region. When the Ottoman Empire fell, The British occupied the land of Palestine and facilitated the creation of Israel, leading to the Nakba: the forced removal of Palestinians and murder of 750,000 people (this is where comparisons of colonialism start). Everything we see today is simply the fallout from that.

Unsurprisingly, you can really blame the British Empire for a lot of the world's problems (Israel, Iraq, Pakistan). But ultimately, Israel is a shitty neighbor that no one in the region wanted, but suddenly had through the force of violence. Israel wasn't created through an independence movement like Slovakia, it was carved out of blood.

[Spidey]

Nothing more satisfying than a terrorized terrorist.

I'm sure families and friends of the kids that died will agree.

How is the air up there on Phony Mc Moral Highground?

[vision]

Nothing more satisfying than a terrorized terrorist.

I'm sure families and friends of the kids that died will agree.

How is the air up there on Phony Mc Moral Highground?

Just saying that, if one day a couple hundred Army Reserve members suddenly had their devices explode while spending time with their families, everyone would absolutely call that terrorism. Israel's actions are just as morally repugnant as Hezbollah and you shouldn't feel "satisfied" with it unless you are an idiot or psychopath. Which are you?

[Vander]

Is pointing that this is terrorism considered antisemitic yet?

[Spidey]

Nothing more satisfying than a terrorized terrorist.

I'm sure families and friends of the kids that died will agree.

How is the air up there on Phony Mc Moral Highground?

Just saying that, if one day a couple hundred Army Reserve members suddenly had their devices explode while spending time with their families, everyone would absolutely call that terrorism. Israel's actions are just as morally repugnant as Hezbollah and you shouldn't feel "satisfied" with it unless you are an idiot or psychopath. Which are you?

Well...probably both in your opinion.

I did say "terrorized terrorist" didn't I?

At least the "terrorist" attacks by Israel were more targeted towards enemy combatants then when Hezbollah fires rockets, missiles, artillery and drones into Israel.

It also seems to me that terrorizing and disorienting the enemy is a valid tactic during a war...and yes, it is a war.

[vision]

At least the "terrorist" attacks by Israel were more targeted towards enemy combatants then when Hezbollah fires rockets, missiles, artillery and drones into Israel. It also seems to me that terrorizing and disorienting the enemy is a valid tactic during a war...and yes, it is a war.

I get the impression you think all of Hezbollah is a bunch of guys sitting around tenting their fingers and planning evil with grins on their faces instead of an official Lebanese political party and paramilitary unit that was formed in response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon, a political party that coincidentally has support of Lebanese Christians. Weird how all these organizations keep popping up to combat Israeli aggression?

[Krom]

Extremist right wingers on the Iran backed side cultivated even more extremist right wingers on the Israeli side and now they are crying as their children are murdered by exploding communication devices that among other uses their political party bought to coordinate indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israel. Its really hard to feel sorry for any of them.

Much like it is hard to feel sorry for the victims of school/mass shootings in America, the only country on earth with more guns than people, where a seeming majority of people are raised to believe that all problems can be solved with the generous application of even more guns.

[Spidey]

At least the "terrorist" attacks by Israel were more targeted towards enemy combatants then when Hezbollah fires rockets, missiles, artillery and drones into Israel. It also seems to me that terrorizing and disorienting the enemy is a valid tactic during a war...and yes, it is a war.

I get the impression you think all of Hezbollah is a bunch of guys sitting around tenting their fingers and planning evil with grins on their faces instead of an official Lebanese political party and paramilitary unit that was formed in response to Israel's invasion of Lebanon, a political party that coincidentally has support of Lebanese Christians. Weird how all these organizations keep popping up to combat Israeli aggression?

And your reasoning gives me the impression that you believe "official political party" and terrorist group are mutually exclusive.

Bibi is a member of an "official political party".

[vision]

And your reasoning gives me the impression that you believe "official political party" and terrorist group are mutually exclusive.

Clearly not, but if we're talking semantics the US Military are also terrorists and by extension our government. Just because you label something "war" or "terrorism" doesn't make it any more or less morally justifiable.

37 dead and more than 3000 injured by Israel's attacks. It's no different than indiscriminate bombing, just more psychologically damaging, and if furthers the view that Israel's government is evil. Why are our tax dollars supporting this?

[TheWhat]

So wait, who gets the olives and hummus fields n'★■◆●?

[Krom]

Why are our tax dollars supporting this?

I mean, the answer is fairly obvious: it is because we signed a treaty to help defend Israel.

Granted, at the time the treaty was crafted Israel wasn't yet in full on genocide mode and nobody anticipated they would ever be, but going against the treaty even now would definitely be an even worse global foreign policy disaster on so many fronts.

[Ferno]

Why are our tax dollars supporting this?

I mean, the answer is fairly obvious: it is because we signed a treaty to help defend Israel.

Granted, at the time the treaty was crafted Israel wasn't yet in full on genocide mode and nobody anticipated they would ever be, but going against the treaty even now would definitely be an even worse global foreign policy disaster on so many fronts.

Which is kind of weird because the zionist portion of Israel has always been a wall of complete dicks.

https://www.ajc.org/IsraelConflictTimeline

[Krom]

The thing about the exploding pagers then radios and then bombing of senior Hezbollah officials that I really don't get is just the sheer disregard of previously unknown compromised intelligence sources. I see it as basically an admission that they have Hezbollah's internal communications so completely compromised and intercepted they don't even care about literally exploding large portions of the network right in Hezbollah's faces.

Like you don't just burn that much on the ground intelligence sourcing unless you have even better access somewhere else that makes it a worthwhile tradeoff. This whole episode shows not only did they compromise the supply chain, but they likely also own the towers and infrastructure and can listen in or copy whatever the ★■◆● they want that goes over it. And they apparently don't care about revealing that they have that much access, its insane!

[vision]

... its insane!

It really is, and this is one of the reasons I argue against "both sides bad" because while technically true that both sides are bad, there is an unmistakable asymmetry between Israel (a nuclear power with one one of the world's top militaries and near complete support of the West) and it's neighbors. It bothers me the same way wealth inequality does, the power dynamic is just too great.

It's really exhausting and I let myself get a bit too upset in this thread so I'm going to stop and wait for the next one.

[Spidey]

And if that condition didn't exist there probably wouldn't be an Israel.

And possibly a second holocaust.

[Ferno]

And if that condition didn't exist there probably wouldn't be an Israel.

And possibly a second holocaust.

Dude..

You are literally watching a second holocaust right now. Orchestrated by the Israeli government. "Never again" went right out the window as soon as the indiscriminate killing of anyone Palestinian started.

[Vander]

I think it's funny that speculation on woodchip's next driveby turned this thread on an attempted assassination into a discussion of middle east current events.

[Ferno]

God took the wheel on this one!

[TheWhat]

Lettuce hope the people of the area dont start fighting over cats, dogs, and geese to consume. As a cat parent it's hard for me to hear these things.