Who wouldn't?

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:45 pm

i've been an advocate of the "grass on the infield play ball" policy for years. but if you touch my 12 year old sister i'll kill you.

Tetrad · Post by **Tetrad** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:50 pm

Lothar, I was just messing with Tyr.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 2:52 pm

yep, and I was messing up your attempt to mess with Tyr :)

Tetrad · Post by **Tetrad** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 3:40 pm

Why do you always have to ruin my fun?

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 5:19 am

The number of those who reach mental/moral maturity at a young age are vastly outweighed by those who don't. Which is why the age limit is where it is, because it was considered to be a happy medium in some respects.

There are plenty of other factors of course. Not all 14 year olds, or even 11 year olds (yeah, thats bad) opt to have abortions and lean heavily on their family for support of the new child because most businesses don't hire until 15-16 years of age. I believe 18 was a good number because a person could have been working for atleast 2-3 years before they brought a life into the world and atleast would have a start, all be it very small, on being able to provide for one.

Course, this is just one possible factor out of many.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:05 am

14 years old and has to keep it in his pants....

Tyr, that is the dumbest thing i've ever heard you say. what do you expect the boy to say when he's offered sex? that he'll say 'no than you, i need to keep it in my pants'?

that is both unrealistic and ignorant.

Just like today.. if a woman came up to you and offered to bang the crap outta you. would you say no? of course not. you would jump right in.

Also, boys aren't 'traumatized' by these kinds of things as most militant feminists would have you believe. why? for starters.. they're women, so they don't know what it's like to be a guy. Guys don't know what it's like to be women, so why the double standard?

The only way for a guy to be able to keep it in his pants is if he was raised by a single mother and castrated from birth.

Vertigo 99 · Post by **Vertigo 99** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 11:46 am

kurupt wrote:i've been an advocate of the "grass on the infield play ball" policy for years. but if you touch my 12 year old sister i'll kill you.

a very good policy, but what about those that trim the grass, or mow it down entirely and replace it with a smooth basketball court?

Scratch · Post by **Scratch** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:27 pm

Ferno wrote: Just like today.. if a woman came up to you and offered to bang the crap outta you. would you say no? of course not. you would jump right in.

The only way for a guy to be able to keep it in his pants is if he was raised by a single mother and castrated from birth.

Heh. It all depends on the woman. I guess I'm too picky -- cause if any woman came up to me and made that offer -- i'd be very selective on my choice of words and on my actions.

But, back to this Teacher -- Oh yah, I'd hit it...if i were 14 ....

D3_FaTaLiTY · Post by **D3_FaTaLiTY** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:32 pm

eh, i wouldn't touch her..

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 12:41 pm

With softer lighting and three beers, yes you would

Her eyes are a turn-off, I'll say. Feels like there is nothing behind them. Probably isn't, given the amount of fake (ie makeup) she wears.

D3_FaTaLiTY · Post by **D3_FaTaLiTY** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:39 pm

im 14, and i think she's ugly, but ok

and i agree with robo, it does look like her head is stuck on.. hehe

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 1:42 pm

Tetrad, fun is not allowed on the DBB.

With respect to the original thread question: she doesn't interest me in the slightest. Looks and acts like she doesn't respect herself; wears too much makeup; is willing to offer sex to 14 year old boys (even when I was 14, I knew that meant trouble.)

Ferno, I think you just gave the best pro-age-limit argument of the thread: it's "unrealistic" to expect the average 14 year old boy to keep his pants on if he's offered sex by an adult woman. Given that, and given the fact that most 14 year olds can't and won't be responsible with sex, it seems to me very reasonable to make it illegal for adult women to have sex with 14 year old boys. That's where Tyranny is going with the 18 age limit -- yeah, maybe it's a little too high of an age limit on average, but it at least keeps most adults from going after irresponsible 14 and 15 year olds.

Palzon · Post by **Palzon** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:30 pm

if she weren't a teacher and the parents didn't care, it is unlikely anything would have come from this. not in texas anyway. once you are 14 you are pretty much on your own here.

i wouldn't do her either. but it has nothing to do with her looks. it has something to do with her being married. all things being equal, anyone who says they wouldn't do her is likely a liar.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 3:37 pm

Palzon wrote:i wouldn't do her either
....all things being equal, anyone who says they wouldn't do her is likely a liar.

can you clarify this please? All things being equal to what? And are you saying you're likely a liar, or just that the rest of us are?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 12:37 am

heh.. thanks Lothar.. I think....

although I wasn't going for 'pro' anything. I just stated what a 14 year old boy goes through.

But since you brought it up, yea I think an adult woman should go to jail for a long long time for exploitation of a minor just like how an adult man goes away to jail for a long long time for exploitation of a minor.

If a woman gets only a few months.. so should a man. keep the punishment equal regardless of gender.

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 11:50 am

I agree with Ferno about the equal treatment regardless of gender. Mostly, I wonder what was going through the lady's head to do something so irresponsible and unprofessional. Regardless of the ethical questions, professionally she just ruined her carrier.

Palzon · Post by **Palzon** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:14 pm

Lothar wrote:
Palzon wrote:i wouldn't do her either
....all things being equal, anyone who says they wouldn't do her is likely a liar.
can you clarify this please? All things being equal to what? And are you saying you're likely a liar, or just that the rest of us are?

that means...if all her other qualities (aside from her looks) were equal to those you find appealing, necessary, admirable, etc.

i question anyone who would say they wouldn't do her on the basis of her looks alone. if you put your wife's brain, personality, life experience, etc into that body, i think you'd be agreeing with yoda on page 1.

in my case her looks are not sufficient because i don't fool around with married or engaged chicks. all things are NOT equal.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:34 pm

ok, yes, I agree with that -- if you put my wife into that body, I wouldn't be like "ugh, no." But then, if you put my wife into most female bodies, I wouldn't be like "ugh, no"... Seriously, any man who says "I wouldn't have sex with her because she's too ugly" about any halfway-decent looking woman is a liar. I was on the bus a couple days ago, and a couple of high school guys were arguing with each other about their girlfriends. One was like "at least my girl is f***able." The other guy was like "dude, almost every girl is f***able, if that's all your looking for. But my girl is fun to spend time with outside the bedroom."

That's kind of where I'm coming from... even if I was a 14 year old boy with no problems with having sex with a woman I wasn't married to, I wouldn't be terribly interested in this one. It's not that she's ugly -- she's got a bit too much makeup on in some of those pictures, but that's not a big deal. But any adult who's going for 14 year olds -- especially a married adult -- is one I'd want to stay away from. So, to answer the original question: I wouldn't.

Palzon · Post by **Palzon** » Wed Jul 07, 2004 3:53 pm

we are in full agreement.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:08 am

heh, Ferny, I think you forget that I too was a 14 year old boy. I know exactly what it's like to 'fantasize' about being with older women or offered the opportunity to have sex at that age. The hormones are raging and testosterone makes us very prone to think with our unit rather then the one that may really count in the end of things.

I understood sex at a very early age because I was sexually molested by an older woman myself when I was about 9 or there abouts. Not many people know that about me, but I'm not ashamed of it anymore so everyone reading this knowing about it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Having had that experience in my life any sexual experience at 14 was out of the question because I had already made up my mind that something like that wouldn't happen again. Sex to me is something special. Not something that so many just frivolously indulge in without any forethought into what might happen as a result of it.

Sex between people should only come as a result of a partnership and an effort to further that partnership into possible marriage. Sometimes, as in all things, it might fail and you move on. The idea to move from person to person just for the sake of sex alone without understanding of what the true purpose of sex really is just doesn't appeal to me in the least.

So really there has been a huge attempt on my part to be better then the one who molested me. Most people who are molested at an early age tend to be molesters later in life. I have no doubts she was either molested by her own father or possibly another relative or possibly an outside source but most people don't do those things unless an experience had driven them to do so. Average people might 'think' about it, but never act out on those thoughts.

Anyways to say that I, at 14, would have jumped at the chance to have sex with an older woman is very much false. By that age I was already resolute not to engage in such things until I was much older and only with someone of my equal or relative age. Also only if it were out of true love, and perhaps desire, for that person in furthering a relationship. I'm not really against sex before marriage, but it isn't something that I've completely ruled out. I think this might limit you in some respects but *shrug*. I might be contradicting myself here

What Lothar said was correct, that was the reason I was getting at for there being an age limit and why it should be illegal for adults to engage in sexual activities with minors. The majority of them do not have the wherewithal to make the right decisions.

There are those that have a little more self control as well.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:41 am

Were you raised by a single mother Tyr?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:13 pm

I agree with Tyranny, even though I didn't endure the same unfortunate experiences that he did. Some 14-year-olds are sensible enough to stay away from sex-crazed middle-aged women. I would have been seriously creeped out had a teacher come up to me looking for sex. Seeing as how most of my female teachers were 50 and older, it wouldn't be a good proposition anyway

. Besides being against my upbringing and morals, I was way too shy at that age to ever get close to someone my own age regardless of looks, let alone a teacher. Heck, I'm still that shy

.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 4:11 pm

No Ferny, in fact my parents just celebrated their 30th Anniversary last Wednesday.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:00 pm

I think you are all off base. No one here is 14 and the rest of us have forgotten what it is like to be 14. The question is not whether you would do her, rather would you do a older woman who had the looks and personality you like....no matter if she is your teacher. Now give a honest answer.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:07 am

because I was sexually molested by an older woman myself when I was about 9 or there abouts

this certainly explains your position Tyr. question is.. did you get thearapy for it?

I'm off base Woody? why?

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 4:57 am

Nope, didn't need therapy. Atleast not for the sexual molestation. I had about two years for uncontrollable rage which I'm not sure had any relation. It was so long ago I don't remember and frankly glad that I don't. It does kind of explain though why I've developed into a very docile personality. The fear that when provoked there could be a relapse has always bothered me to this day.

The last couple of years I find myself coming into my own. Gentle, understanding and most of all prepared for life. If something comes my way that I'm not prepared for it doesn't matter because you can get through those things for the most part. Thinking back at how angry I got losing in Descent makes me laugh now that I don't play it. The old cliche is true though, hindsight is always 20/20.

Anyways, I was so young that by the time I was old enough for it really to have an effect on me it wasn't something I ever thought about. I never really had the feeling that it was my fault or anything of that nature, which most kids who go through such trauma do.

It's kind of like "eh....whatever." It can't be undone and there is no real point dwelling on it. It's just something that unfortunately happend and I had no control over it.

Therapists just try to get you to talk about your problems and get them out in the open to accurately diagnose you with some sort of disorder or the like and then find the proper medical treatment for that disorder. If you have a good head on your shoulders so you can work out your problems properly, you should be able to put everything in it's proper place. Therapists have always seemed an unnecessary nuisance to me despite how good their intentions might be. I understand they know much more then I possibly could about the internal workings after certain mental traumas, but mine haven't been so significant that they've rendered me useless

Sometimes there are no reasons 'why' and sometimes there is absolutely nothing you can do about things. It doesn't mean you have to accept them, but ultimately you do have to move on. That chapter in my life has long been ended. I'm writing a much better one these days

As far as Woody's question, my answer would be no. Not unless she was interested in 'me' and not just interested in the sex or the allure of being with a much younger man. If that is all that brought her interests towards me, absolutely not.

Palzon · Post by **Palzon** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 9:40 am

i saved my virginity until i met the woman with whom i thought i'd spend the rest of my life. needless to say, we did not get married. if we had, i would have never looked back and gladly spent the rest of my life knowing only that person. such is life.

you can't lose it twice. there's no going back. moving forward, i have no interest in being with a virgin, or being puritanical. though there's nothing casual about sex to me, i don't elevate it to a ritual either. women don't want that any way. sex is good for you.

maybe tyranny is a virgin?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:36 am

either that or he has some issues...

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:01 pm

It's funny how people perceive virginity as a 'good' thing yet make fun of or critique people on it like it is a 'bad' thing to still be one. Like they haven't grown up or something.

It's a very childish double standard. Paly just described what I had described a few posts ago. He truely thought she was the one, it didn't work out, so he had to move on.

Virginity in males isn't as big of a deal as other guys make it out to be. Guys who have had sex like to exude their romantic notion of dominance over guys who haven't by constantly belittling them on that subject. Most guys aren't ready to handle the responsibilities of what sex really is if the woman they're sleeping with 'accidentally' (yeah, I like how that works

) gets pregnant.

So who is the bigger man? The man who sleeps with his woman who is capable of raising a child if they eventually have one? or the man who just sleeps around because it pleases him?

The sanctity of virginity in males is such a passe frame of thinking. Being a virgin or not being a virgin really isn't that big of a deal to me. I did mention I was molested though. Which in my case didn't just include fondling, it went the distance as much as it could at my age. So if the question for losing virginity as a male is 'have I been inside a woman' the answer would be yes, I have. Don't ask me why she'd want to even bother with it on a 9 year old, I don't know and I don't care. If losing your virginity as a male means you have to actually ejaculate then technically you lost your virginity the first time you masterbated.

How funny that is, to lose it to your hand

lol. But if the true question is that male virginity is lost while ejaculating inside the woman then I guess I am still a virgin and you know what? Thats just fine with me.

Everybody has issues Ferny

Palzon · Post by **Palzon** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:37 pm

Let me say loud and clear that it is not my contention you have issues or may have them (not that you thought that). i certainly did not intend my comments to be a put down. it's clear you had a reason for you position, and i was guessing based on my own past reasoning. virginity is a good thing for virgins. abstinence is good for those who need it.

further emphasis..i wish i never slept with a second woman, truly. and that wasn't the last time i hoped i found someone to spend a lifetime with. just gotta soldier on, tend your garden, etc.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 7:29 pm

Don't worry Paly, I didn't think you were making fun of me or anything. Just felt this would be a good time to rant on male virginity since I see it as less of a value then female virginity.

and yes, I agree with you. What's the world coming to?

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:57 pm

I wouldn't.

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Fri Jul 09, 2004 10:38 pm

Well, I'd say that male virginity has less value because most men don't particularly view sex as something that meaningful. Why does sex have to be meaningful? I'm not saying that it can't be. I know for a fact that there's nothing more gratifying than sex with someone you truly love, but it doesn't necessarily have to be something meaningful every time. Sometimes can't it just be for fun?

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:12 am

Men don't view sex as meaningful in the way most women view sex as meaningful. It's something completely different for us guys on a level that most of us don't really understand.

It's basically a perceived passage into manhood. Which simply isn't true. Having sex does not make you more of a man then you were before.

lol X, I bet they had some really awkward and [sarcasm]fun[/sarcasm] moments after that

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Jul 10, 2004 5:43 am

You want meaningful? Meaningful is drinking a case of the beer at the local watering hole and waking up the next morning with some woman that snores louder than you do, doesn't believe in shaving her legs and weighs more than a good nose guard. At that point you get the D.T's, dress and run screaming to your car. Meaningful is all a matter of perspective.