Fox news editorial...

Cougar · Post by **Cougar** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:03 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,125165,00.html

Simply ridiculous.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:19 pm

clarify! rediculous in what way?

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:27 pm

What is ridiculous is that anyone would listen to, or read ANYTHING published by Fox News.

Given that Fox is now the publishing arm of the Whitehouse, Republicans might go there sometimes...

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:00 pm

Cougar: explain what you think is ridiculous -- the poll results? Fox's explanation? What? And why is it ridiculous?

Mobi: I think you're lost. The "trolling" forum is 2 doors down...

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:53 pm

What do you use, Mobius? Reuters?

If DCrazy's saying that the opinion of Canadian youth is ridiculous, then I'm in 100% agreement with him. No wonder why most Americans bash Canadians

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Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 11:57 pm

o'riley and fox news..

heh they can't get half the stories in their home country right and now they think they know what canada believes?

keerist. what a pile of BS. anyone who believes that should go and have their head examined.

Lothar: it's completely rediculous because they do not come up here and ask canadian teenagers anything. because most teenagers couldn't give a rat's ass about the news, let alone give an interview.

Topgun: Can you please have an original thought next time instead of riding someone else's coattails?

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:12 am

Ferno, these thoughts were my original thoughts on the subject, regardless of whether or not they sound like something other members of this forum would post. I apologize for being facetious, if this is what upset you. Seriously, and ignoring Mobius's trolling, if the statistics quoted are accurate, then I am greatly disturbed and upset. While they may be somewhat exaggerated, I wouldn't be surprised that a large percentage or foreign youth see America as "evil." Of course, this angers me; O'Reilly is right in saying that the United States has, over its history, contributed more to global well-being than all of our harshest critics combined have. Yet we're still perceived as bullies and "the great Satan." Does this sound familiar?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:36 am

"If DCrazy's saying that the opinion of Canadian youth is ridiculous, then I'm in 100% agreement with him"

this is not an original thought. an original thought has a quote used for reference.

By well being, do you mean peacekeeping?

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:39 am

Careful ferno, if you keep pushing my satire in the other thread may become a reality

index_html · Post by **index_html** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:59 am

heh they can't get half the stories in their home country right and now they think they know what canada believes?

How would you know? Hasn't Canada essentially banned Fox News from being carried by cable providers within its borders? Sounds like it to me..

Anyways, The poll was conducted in Canada by "Can West News Services" which owns several newspapers in Canada Link.

It's sort of ironic that you accuse Fox of not being able to get a story right.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:59 am

how would i know..

I live in the damn place index!

"In one telephone poll of teens between the ages of 14 and 18"

most kids between the ages of 14 and 18 (excuding the intellectuals that can smell bs a mile away) don't know a damn thing.. let alone have an opinion on this. I bet you if you asked the same question again six months later the answer would be completely different.

And no. Fox news is not banned. All I have to do is open up a TV times and there it is.

"Left-wing zealots always complain about censorship -- like the ones I censure after they try to wreck this website with regular barrages of obscene hate-filled emails and posts in their effort to silence good right-thinking conservatives"

anyone else smell extremism?

Let's get something straight: CBC is a government-run broadcasting institution which would broadcast anything that the current party wants, be it left or right.

index_html · Post by **index_html** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:09 am

Well, that's fine, think that teenagers in Canada are idiots if you like, but it's not the fault of Fox News that the media in your country took a poll and came up with those results.

Btw, I meant how would you know that Fox News can't get a story right if it's not carried in Canada.

I've read several stories lately that say Fox is banned from being carried in Canada. Didn't like the one I posted ... the Toronto Sun says the same thing

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:12 am

Trust me on this one: asking a 15 year old what they think of a foreign country is like asking a mechanical engineer what they should do for a medical proceedure.

Index.. do you want me to get the TV times and scan in an image showing that fox is being carried?

Inari · Post by **Inari** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:17 am

A good number of US teenagers are like that too... and college students. Thing is, most of those people who think that the government doesn't matter or effect their life are too lazy to vote and really do anything so it ultimately doesn't matter.

Amen to that Ferno.

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:35 am

Channels that originate from Spokane don't count, Illegal satellite don't count either.

Fox 28 isn't Fox News, ferno.

I'd be more interested in the ethnic breakdown of that poll.

kufyit · Post by **kufyit** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:36 am

Fox News is sensational bullsiht.

index_html · Post by **index_html** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:52 am

No, that's okay Ferno. I don't know what to tell you. Here's another story dated two days ago from Calgary that says the same thing Link

Everything I'm reading says the CRTC has been repeatedly petitioned to carry Fox News and repeatedly refuses to approve its feeds in Canada. One article said around 750,000 illegal satellite dishes can get it though. Got a satellite dish?

bash · Post by **bash** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:57 am

I think folks are missing the distinction between Fox News' editorial content and it's commentary. It's news division is on par with every other major news source. Its commentary is obviously more pro-America than most, however. But, as Index mentioned, the poll and news story originated from Canada, not from Fox, so let's not shoot the messenger. Fox is banned but Al Jazeera is not, btw.

index_html · Post by **index_html** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:07 am

Fox 28 isn't Fox News, ferno.

Heh, suddenly it all makes sense.

Genghis · Post by **Genghis** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:23 am

Well at least we're over the popular myth that people of other countries all love us. You'll find similar anti-American sentiment from citizens of many other countries that we consider allies.

However it's a bit facile to believe that the cause of this sentiment is due to our press and not our actions. And as Top Gun said, we should all be "greatly disturbed and upset" by this. In the long run, it actually does matter what other countries think about us. Yes, the US does a huge amount of good in the world, but no country (or person) is ever remembered for their good deeds but rather their scandalous ones. We're in a Catch-22: in order to do good in the world we have to an awful lot of meddling, too.

I don't know about Canada, but the papers in many other countries carry some seriously indicting stories about the US that don't come from our "liberal media." As Ferno said, these are stories that we don't get to read in the States because our mainstream media doesn't serve up half the dirt it could.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 4:41 am

Oh Canada...don't hate us 'cause we're beautiful.

bash · Post by **bash** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 5:44 am

Genghis, the Web enables us to read newspapers from all over the world and a good many of us do. So I doubt such stories exist unless they are not inserted in their online editions, which I find difficult to believe. There's an entire cottage industry of lefty bloggers that cherry pick the world's news just for such negative news items. The odds that such nuggets won't be shoved in our faces ad infinitum are remote. Hell, look how often our detractors still bring up slavery (a European import, btw).

And what *popular myth*? The American left want to pretend that everything was rosey and everyone loved us unconditionally until suddenly mean George Bush came along and that all went away overnight. Poof!

That simply isn't true. I've lived in Canada and anti-Americanism isn't a new phenomenon. Neither is it in Europe. For a nation as wealthy, powerful and active in foreign policy and the global economy as the US is, resentment comes with the territory. C'est la vie.

In the case of Canada, when you have Canadian government officials making statements like *Damn Americans, I hate those bastards* and other slurs it's inevitable that nation's youth picks up on the sentiment (see the Palestinians for an extreme example). To be fair, however, a good portion of the Canadian ruling class identifies closely with France and we haven't been without sin with our own comments regarding the French. What goes around comes around. *shrug*

Ultimately it's up to the Canadians to accept or reject such a characteriZation of America and Americans as *evil*. Granted, our self-loathing liberal MSM doesn't help matters, but on a whole, it's not our problem what the Canadians think of us. Wake me when the boycott begins.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:24 am

Bash, it could very well become our problem what with the large middle eastern population that lives in Montreal. Mixed in with the French loving atmosphere, terrorist could have a very nice hidey hole to launch cross border attacks. When that happens the canadians will learn what hate is all about.
It is the height of irresponsibilty for any govt. leader to promote this kind of mongering.

bash · Post by **bash** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 6:49 am

Even if the next successful terrorist attack comes through Canada, Americans will never hate the Canadians. Oh sure, there'll be some short-term recriminations but with the exception of the French-Canadians (which are probably more disliked by their own Anglo-Canadian brothers than we are), there's simply nothing to get a hook into. Anglo-Canadians are pretty much indistinguishable from Anglo-Americans and no one can stay mad at themselves for long.

Cougar · Post by **Cougar** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:30 am

Just to clarify, I think the whole bloody article is a farce. Highlights include the part where he refers to our former prime minister as a "bum" [quite the cop out statement, (why?)], the line "Michael Moores of the world" [we're not all mindlessly brainwashed by Micheal Moore], and his belief that we should be ashamed at our youth for having such an opinion.

His journalism is amateur at best, filled with blanket statements and fallacies. And this guy's got his own spot on a national news station. Probably because he's a good looking well spoken type. And that's all that really matters when it comes to sensationalism.

bash · Post by **bash** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:38 am

It's a commentary. Frankly, there's more fodder in this to discuss the original poll rather than O'Riley's take on it.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:39 am

I think folks are missing the distinction between Fox News' editorial content and it's commentary. It's news division is on par with every other major news source. Its commentary is obviously more pro-America than most, however.

I think you are being lost in the entertainment if you believe so Bash. Fox news is like Michael Mooreâ??s movies, 'are they full of lies?', not at all. Do they tell the whole truth, no. Tell the other side, no. Do they choose language that will offer support for a certain position, yes. Are their criticisms valid, at times. Do they focus on stories that their conservative viewers will find the most interesting, yes.

I consider the commentaries to be the least biased, because they don't try and pass themselves off as "fair and balanced."

Cougar · Post by **Cougar** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:50 am

The original poll isn't worth considering, obviously, and certainly shouldn't be the subject of a fox news editorial broadcast. Any poll based around the term 'evil' is going to be very subjective. I highly doubt our government had anything to do with such a sloppy poll. O'Riley also failed to consider that the poll's demographic consists of people who aren't really old enough or experienced enough to really have a balanced opinion.

.. Poll biasing 101 ..

Do you think America is evil?

Yes
No

Versus

How do you think of the United States?

Positively
Negatively
Indifferent

Now if the poll O'Riley mentions in his article closely resembles the first one, which I suspect it does, his arguments would be based on a strongly biased poll. This is his perrogative as a journalist. What I'm getting at is the choice O'Riley made to sensationalize a relatively innane poll. This points the finger at him and not the poll.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 10:54 am

and people threatened to cancel their cable subscriptions if al-jazeera was carried.

"Even if the next successful terrorist attack comes through Canada, Americans will never hate the Canadians."

you are now officially an idiot bash. do you realize what the consequenses would be of such actions? the US would seal their borders so fast and implement an almost miltiary-like screening process you would think you're in the twilight zone.

Also, you would blame it on canada for letting terrorists exist. news flash pal. YOU let them in without checking. it would be YOUR fault.

Flip: Fox28 isn't Foxnews? okay. I guess we never had Foxnews in the first place.

Pebkac · Post by **Pebkac** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:11 am

Wouldn't it actually be OUR fault. In such a scenario, whose fault would it be that they made it into Canada in the first place? Would that be the US' fault, too?

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:20 am

in order for them to get in here, they'd have to fly in. and once that plane is in the air all they'd have to do is hijack it and divert it.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:57 am

I think when the term 'America' is used in a context such as that poll, it points to the political and foriegn policy entities, not the civilian.

Pebkac · Post by **Pebkac** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:57 am

I'm talking about those that are already in Canada. It would be silly to believe that many are not already there.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:58 am

Um, where'd I come into this?

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:09 pm

Ferno, there's a difference between "sealing the border" and "hating Canadians".

Pebkac · Post by **Pebkac** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:14 pm

As if sealing the border were even a viable option.

Ford Prefect · Post by **Ford Prefect** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:00 pm

Well dammit we don't get Fox news!! Of the 15 "basic cable channels 7 are American (One is essentially a pirate station, broadcasting from just over the border to avoid Canadian regulations)and one of those is a Fox network station. We have CNN in among the 50 or so stations I get in my cable package but no Fox news only channel! We get Showcase and the Sci Fi channel, we get three public broadcasters from the U.S. (one from Detroit and I live on the west coast, go figure) We can watch more NFL games than CFL games by a three to one margin on any weekend they both are in season, I can watch American movies, American Basketball games, American baseball teams, American sitcoms and American whatever the hell those "reality" shows claim to be at any time at a ratio of at least 10 to one over Canadian sports and shows. But no Fox news! Well,I feel so left out!

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:12 pm

Ford Perfect, why do you hate freedom so much?

index_html · Post by **index_html** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:30 pm

Well, my original point was that it seemed funny that Ferno had such disdain for Fox News when it's not even carried in Canada. Turns out he didn't even know what Fox News was. It doesn't matter to me if Canada doesn't carry it or if Canadians don't want it.

While looking for stories about the CRTC and Fox, I found one that says Canada is planning to jam all radio signals originating from the U.S. within the next 3 years using Cuban technology. The money quotes:

"Listening to US broadcasters will be illegal, subject to penalties outlined in the criminal code of Canada," said commission chair Charles Dalfen.

(snip)

"We have a duty to protect Canadians from broadcasters who promote hate, and provide offensive content. Our recent decision to deny a licence to a Quebec radio station, to block US AM radio broadcasters, and to allow the broadcast of the Arabic-language news service Al Jazeera, demonstrates our commitment to properly regulate the information Canadians are exposed to, said Charles Dalfen in a statement. Link

No thought crimes for you, my frigid friends.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 8:51 pm

"demonstrates our commitment to properly regulate the information Canadians are exposed to"

Does this statement smack of George Orwell and thought control. Who in the hell do these mind benders think they are? Properly regulate? You know, it's like they're banning child porn...no wait, in Canada that would be O.K. Just keep a conservative news source from infecting the brain cells of good honest Canadians.
So what is the govt. in Canada worried about?