DVD+R / DVD -R WTF Is The Diff?

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:25 pm

Short for DVD+Recordable, a recordable DVD format similar to CD-R. A DVD+R can only record data once and then the data becomes permanent on the disc. The disc can not be recorded onto a second time. DVD+R and DVD+RW formats are supported by Philips, Sony, Hewlett-Packard, Dell, Ricoh, Yamaha and others.

Short for DVD-Recordable, a recordable DVD format similar to CD-R. A DVD-R can only record data once and then the data becomes permanent on the disc. The disc can not be recorded onto a second time. There also are two additional standards for DVD-R disks: DVD-RG for general use, and DVD-RA for authoring, which is used for mastering DVD video or data and is not typically available to the general public. DVD-R, DVD-RW and DVD-RAM are supported by Panasonic, Toshiba, Apple Computer, Hitachi, NEC, Pioneer, Samsung and Sharp. These formats are also supported by the DVD Forum.

It looks like these are competing formats that do exactly the same thing? no? Can anyone explain to me WTF this all means? Do I buy +R or -R media for my drive? Will the +R or -R work with my DVD player in the stereo room? Is there any friggin standardization here?

Pardon my frustration plz ...

Ice out

Ned · Post by **Ned** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:40 pm

Good questions. If anyone knows, I'm all ears. . .

Ross Perot

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:45 pm

One is a Sony mark, the other is from a group made by Pnasonic, and a few other companies. Depending on your DVD ROM, some work better than others.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:51 pm

Other then the name and the fact that each is not compatible with the other there is no difference, they burn at the same speeds, they hold the same amount of data, they even cost the same. Most DVD burners today (including mine) can burn both formats.

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:55 pm

basically what i can tell you is this:

if you want to back up your console games, like xbox ps2 or even psx, you need to use DVD-R. the consoles have trouble reading DVD+R's more than they do reading DVD-R's. on the other hand, standalone DVD players i've tried (mintek, yamaha, sony, pioneer, apex, and samsung) have had better results reading DVD+R's than they did with DVD-R's. they read about half of the DVD-R's but they read ALL of the DVD+R's. for data backup i don't see why there would be a difference between the two.

i did alot of research on recordable dvd's when i was shopping for a dvd writer, and at the time (2 months ago roughly) DVD+R had the edge. but you know how tech stuff changes so quickly.

i reccomend getting a few of each and trying it yourself to see what fits you best though.

these are the claimed advantages of DVD+R over DVD-R according to the DVD Alliance:

1. Instantly eject without having to wait for finalized formatting.

2. Ability to record one DVD disc partially on PC and partially on television.

3. Background formatting: while the disc is being formatted, you can simultaneously record on already-formatted portions of the same disc.

4. Enhanced ability to edit filenames, movie and song titles, and playlists.

5. 100% compatibility with all other DVD players, while still enjoying these extra recording features.

i can only verify #5. they have worked on everything ive ever tried to use it on. never had burning problems with either though. on the other hand, my +R burned at 8x (marked 4x) and my -R burned at 4x (marked 4x).

look at the specs on each dvd writer as they will say which format they can and cannot use. a good one can do them all.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:02 pm

Ok so here is my problem ...

I bought a NEC ND-2500A.

I have a Pinnacle Studio AV/DV digitizer with Studio 8 software.

I have a Sony 8mm camcorder and I have suceeded in ditizing a 2 hour tape (a+v) ... it now resides on my HD as a pinnacle generated MPEG file.

I used Studio 8 to burn directly to the DVD and ... after 2 hours ... VOILA! It spits out the disk. I happily grab the f**ker and head off to the stereo room to put it in my DVD player ... not a da*ned thing happens ... no go ... notta ... I take it back to my PC ... ditto ... no go ... notta ...

What gives?

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:05 pm

the movie is encoded in the right format, right?

if it is, get a copy of alcohol or something else that can create disk images, make an image, and burn in it that spiffy nero you just bought. that should solve your problem.

Ned · Post by **Ned** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:21 pm

high density DVD

These wankers will never learn:

http://netforbeginners.about.com/cs/mul ... _discs.htm

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5312313.html

http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103_2-5178207.html

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:29 pm

I got Studio 8 to create a DVD compatible MPEG of a short clip. I am trying to get Nero to burn it to DVD but not having much luck ... working on it ... sheesh I feel so stupid.

I feel that all is ready to be burned but the "Next" button remains gray.

Mr. Perfect · Post by **Mr. Perfect** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:31 pm

Beta Vs VHS for the next generation!

I prefer +, simply because it's two disks instead of -'s three. +R and +RW just like CDs, while - has -R for write once movies, -RW for rewrite movies, and -RAM for files. Or something equally foolish...

Also, not all drives support both formats. Make sure that your DVD Player supports whatever you're burning in.

Ned · Post by **Ned** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:44 pm

This says their standalone player compatibility is almost equal.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvd

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:46 pm

ice, make an image and then burn the image

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 9:09 pm

I don't know how make an image of an 8mm tape.

Anyhow, I found Nero VisionExpress and it worked fantastic. I ripped a short video to DVD compatible MPEG in Studio 8 then I burned the DVD with VisionExpress. I hate that I can't burn to DVD as advertised with Studio 8 but ... oh well ... it's working at least.

Thx

kurupt · Post by **kurupt** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:38 pm

i meant make an image of the mpg

.iso, .bin, whatever

Asrale · Post by **Asrale** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 11:55 pm

CDRLabs.com

(info on everything DVD too)

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:55 am

does your DVD player support Mpeg, if so which type?

Burn to DVD-R (85%) for most compatibility for DVD players since this was the FIRST supported format then came DVD+R(15%) a year or two later

If your DVD player supports VCD/SVCD/DVD-R/+R/MPEG1+2/Mp3, then you hould have no problems, if your DVD player says It's supports NADA then only USE DVD-R, if it doesn't work your DVD player supports JACK SHIZNIT

Note: some DVD Players ,even though they support then entire Farm when it comes to compatibility, if the file is less than 45 minutes it will IGNORE IT and think the disk is blank

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:08 am

Iceman, here's the issue:

To create a VCD or DVD playable in a DVD player, you need to do some authoring. If you want I can walk you through some of it. Putting an MPEG on a DVD ain't gonna do much usually.

You can, however, use a program called "VCDeasy", or another authoring solution, to create VCDs. Of course, first you need to make sure your audio stream is CBR, which often means stripping the audio and re-encoding the MPEG. Thus you'd need Tmpgenc or similar programs to do that.

As for DVD video, once again you need to do authoring, and turn that mpeg into .bup .ifo and .vob format stuff.

Nero Ultra 6.xx should have the ability to do so. I haven't fooled with the authoring side yet, mostly just been doing back-up type stuff. Sony Vegas or Adobe premier are additional authoring suites with a whole different level of power than the basic authoring available in nero.

The digital video stuff gets confusing with many mutually exclusive formats, TV only formats, Computer-only formats, Europe-only formats etc. One site I highly recommend is: www.videohelp.com they've pretty much answered every question I've had, and then some.

Drop me a line or catch me in chat and maybe I can guide you a little more.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:39 am

Thanks but I have a working solution now ...

I grab the video off the camcorder with Studio 8 and save it as a DVD compatible MPEG at highest-quality. I then use Nero's VisionExpress to burn the MPEG onto a DVD disk. That disk works with my DVD player in my PC and in the two DVD players I have around the house.

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 7:20 pm

Just FYI ... This Nero 6 is worth every danged penny I paid for it. Truly a quality piece of work.

Now Studio8 ... that's another story ... itza pizza chit.

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 6:23 am

Nero 6 ultra edition will do most of that stuff for you

I believe there's even a video capture API included.

Although the windows video capture utility works fine.

DVD+R / DVD -R WTF Is The Diff?

DVD+R / DVD -R WTF Is The Diff?

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