reticle bug fix

suicide eddie · Post by **suicide eddie** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:15 pm

anygot got a fix for the white box reticle bug yet?

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:21 pm

goto the map and back out.
hit F2, switch to 32bit and back out.

I think it's fixed in 1.5 but we're never seeing that patch so it's never gonna get fixed.

Something you have to live with.

Pandora · Post by **Pandora** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:25 pm

i heard that you got rid of it if you used a custom reticle (can't even be identical to the original one). Don't know if it's true, though.

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:26 pm

Custom reticle doesn't help. I've been using one for yrs and I still get the white box. It's a openGL bug.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:42 pm

Custom reticle fixes the disappearing reticle bug w/ D3D.

Mr. Perfect · Post by **Mr. Perfect** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:42 pm

The custom reticle eliminates the bug where a person hosting a game looses their reticle after dieing.

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 5:06 pm

Grendel, if that's the case oh well. D3D sucks for D3.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:38 am

I wonder what causes it, because I have a 5900 now, and I've only seen the white box once, in 3-4 months of play.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:31 am

I get the white box more often with the skippy. Never with the BP and seldom with the Pyro or Tank.

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 10:55 am

Let's get this right: D3D does NOT suck for Descent 3!!

OGL might be a little faster but it doesn't support the super-pretty bump mapping of the ships and objects in D3. It's also more prone to rendering errors, where procedural textures are concerned. There are ther issues also.

Let's also understand that the reticle bug is also a sympton of a hot, overclocked GFx card. Often, dropping the speed of the card by just a few MHz results in a reticle-bug-free game. You'll know if your GFx card is too hot when the fusion cannon "reload" reticle goes white.

There are several aspects to the bug. Often the host in a P2P game loses his (or her!) reticle, and simply can not get it back at all. The white box bug is annoying, but curable.

Using Automap mostly works, but not always.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 11:40 am

Testiculese wrote:I wonder what causes it, because I have a 5900 now, and I've only seen the white box once, in 3-4 months of play.

Got a 5950 -- it's sort of periodic here. I can go lengths w/o seeing it and then at some days it's almost constatly there.

And no Mobie, what I'm seeing is NOT a heat problem it's a heisenbug

Edit: "a little faster" is the understatement of the year..

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 12:11 pm

Let's also understand that the reticle bug is also a sympton of a hot, overclocked GFx card. Often, dropping the speed of the card by just a few MHz results in a reticle-bug-free game. You'll know if your GFx card is too hot when the fusion cannon "reload" reticle goes white.

Bull F**cking sh*t.

I had a Geforce 4 4400 NOT OC'ed and I had this problem. I now have a ATI 9800 Pro and I STILL have this problem. It has nothing to do with the video card, it has to do with buggy openGL iomplimentation by Outrage. Rememberm, D3 was built for GLIDE and nothing else. It was rushed for the other 2 Libraries.

XeonJr · Post by **XeonJr** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 7:20 pm

To fix the reticle bug!!

*DISABLE RETICLE AND STICK A DOT TO YOUR SCREEN

*

Blue Tac works best

BAAL · Post by **BAAL** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 8:21 pm

Mobi, do you honestly believe this shiat your are blabbering? Reticles disappearing and the white box are not caused by heat problems. Sorry bro, but thes issues are more gamecode related in origin than your "overheating" THEORY.

If its heat related, explain to me why the reticle box appears on a non-overclocked watercooled vid card (ti4600 for reference)that runs cool to the touch.

For that matter, Explain to me the fact that i currently run that same ti4600 in an overclocked p4 system, albeit using the stock fan that came on it, and i havent encountered this bug in almost a year, If not longer.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:26 pm

Heck, I'd love to know that !!

Gammaray · Post by **Gammaray** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 8:18 am

Hell I'd just love to know how he found this out with those monster a$$ heatsinks plastered all over his Radeon.

then again Mobius IS mr. know-it-all

Deadmeat · Post by **Deadmeat** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:16 pm

Add my name to the list Mobi. I run a 9700Pro and never see much over 100F in game, but I get the bug all the time, especially when using Fusion. And, yes, I'm a CTF, Defense, Tank flying Fusion Whore. Ya'll just live with it or stay outa my sandbox.

Hmmm, disable reticle and put a dot on the monitor? Think that might be disruptive when I'm viewing my porno collection.

Capm · Post by **Capm** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 9:16 pm

Here is another solution, remove your monitor altogether, and play by the printscreens output to your printer!

DigiJo · Post by **DigiJo** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 2:45 am

the d3-reticles are each 20 overlapping partial transparent textures with alpha channels, and at least 6 or 8 rendererd at the same time. probably it just hits some strange ogl-limit. just a guess.

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 9:44 am

Bringing up the automap doesn't get rid of the white square in 640 * 480 mode. That's when you have to leave and rejoin the game.

There is a fix for the disappearing reticle bug available on Planet Descent. It works by extracting all of the reticle images to your Descent 3 folder. The fix on Planet Descent doesn't work completely for the Black Pyro reticle. When the reticle disappears, one fourth of the BP reticle is missing. The reticle also disappears in Anarchy games. One can also use a HOG file editor and extract all of the images from d3.hog and merc.hog.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 10:42 am

Grendel wrote:Custom reticle fixes the disappearing reticle bug w/ D3D.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Thu Aug 19, 2004 11:37 am

automap is 640x480, so your not forcing a resize

800x600 or greater : use automap or switch from 16bit to 32 bit or vise-versa will fix it

640x480 : switch from 16bit to 32 bit or vise-versa will fix it.

it is a transparency error

Neo wrote:That's when you have to leave and rejoin the game.

this explains why you always leave and rejoin.... so silly follow instructions above!

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:32 am

Grendel wrote:
Grendel wrote:Custom reticle fixes the disappearing reticle bug w/ D3D.

I wasn't talking about custom reticles. I'm talking about the real reticles.

Don't roll your eyes at me.

BUBBALOU wrote:
Neo wrote:That's when you have to leave and rejoin the game.
this explains why you always leave and rejoin.... so silly follow instructions above!

No, it doesn't.

I haven't had a problem with the white square in a while.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:03 am

Neo wrote:No, it doesn't. I haven't had a problem with the white square in a while.

So sorry Samus....

I was trying to be nice and not abuse you, like I usually do(you lurb it)!

Next time I'll just bash your Shiznity "2 CANS and a STRING" internet connection for starters!

Would that have made you feel better, for the reasoning behind why you leave a game multiple times in 15 minutes period??

BTW, I thought you have a []D [] []V[] []D system on the otherside of that CAN?? why are you running at 640*480 ??

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:34 pm

Neo: Thing is bud, extracting the reticle files to your D3 dir doesn't always work either.

btw, add me to the list.

I've had a Diamond Viper V550 (TNT1 chipset), Hercules 3D Prophet 4500, Visontek Geforce3 Ti200, and now my PNY Geforce4 Ti4600. ALL of them experience this issue in D3 with the vauss and fusion, and it has NOTHING to do with heating issues. If that were so, IT WOULD HAPPEN IN OTHER GAMES TOO. Now do us all a favor and

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 3:38 pm

My FX5900 ultra is not overclocked and I still get the bug.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Fri Aug 20, 2004 4:51 pm

my 5600 Ultra is OC Free, and it still has bugs, ive even underclocked it just to test mr Mobi-DUMBASS's theory and it still gives me boxes. and i know for GD sure my card is not over heating.

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:58 am

BUBBALOU wrote:
So sorry Samus....

I was trying to be nice and not abuse you, like I usually do(you lurb it)! Next time I'll just bash your Shiznity "2 CANS and a STRING" internet connection for starters!

Would that have made you feel better, for the reasoning behind why you leave a game multiple times in 15 minutes period??

BTW, I thought you have a []D [] []V[] []D system on the otherside of that CAN?? why are you running at 640*480 ??

hehe

No, that's not the reason either. ^_~ Actually, there are a lot of reasons why I do that. My 2 Cans and a Stringâ?¢ Internet connection disco-es me from the server (or almost does), and that usually happens after I leave enough times to rustle your britches. ^_~

Who said I have a PIMP system?

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 10:53 am

For me the reticle bug seems to be weapon dependant. I tend to get with plasma but not fusion or gauss. Go figure.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:15 am

mine is any weapon, when it feels like putting that box up it puts it up, so i start fighting with the Automap to turn it off

Neo · Post by **Neo** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:58 am

Xeon, go buy me some Blue Tack. ^_~

Arbitar · Post by **Arbitar** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:42 pm

I don't even notice the white square anymore, I just learned to play with it.