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One thing you could get with realistic physics is dynamic environments. When you do something, the environment is affected. You can knock things over and break things, blow holes in walls, melt things, etc. Turn water into steam, metal into liquid metal or metal vapor, freeze things so they are brittle and shatter them into shards. Knock out a support for a building and the building falls. Pierce a high pressure steam line and fill the room with hot vapor. Blow the airlock and the air rushes out, taking whatever is not nailed down with it. Destruction is fun!Using Suncho's method of criticism, how would all that make the game more fun?Here's a suggestion, which is completely unrealistic, but fun to think about anyway:
1) Create a physics engine that uses true finite element analysis. Realistic physics...
That would be a nightmare to program and take ages to complete. It would also be very taxing on the system for all of the calculations to perfrom these things. They wouldnt go anywhere if they have to accomodate all of that into 20 some odd levels. Be reasonable.Sligar wrote:One thing you could get with realistic physics is dynamic environments. When you do something, the environment is affected. You can knock things over and break things, blow holes in walls, melt things, etc. Turn water into steam, metal into liquid metal or metal vapor, freeze things so they are brittle and shatter them into shards. Knock out a support for a building and the building falls. Pierce a high pressure steam line and fill the room with hot vapor. Blow the airlock and the air rushes out, taking whatever is not nailed down with it. Destruction is fun!Using Suncho's method of criticism, how would all that make the game more fun?Here's a suggestion, which is completely unrealistic, but fun to think about anyway:
1) Create a physics engine that uses true finite element analysis. Realistic physics...
heh, we call that "The Matrix"Sligar wrote:One thing you could get with realistic physics is dynamic environments. When you do something, the environment is affected. You can knock things over and break things, blow holes in walls, melt things, etc. Turn water into steam, metal into liquid metal or metal vapor, freeze things so they are brittle and shatter them into shards. Knock out a support for a building and the building falls. Pierce a high pressure steam line and fill the room with hot vapor. Blow the airlock and the air rushes out, taking whatever is not nailed down with it. Destruction is fun!Using Suncho's method of criticism, how would all that make the game more fun?Here's a suggestion, which is completely unrealistic, but fun to think about anyway:
1) Create a physics engine that uses true finite element analysis. Realistic physics...
*cough* Geomod */cough*Top Wop wrote: That would be a nightmare to program and take ages to complete. It would also be very taxing on the system for all of the calculations to perfrom these things. They wouldnt go anywhere if they have to accomodate all of that into 20 some odd levels. Be reasonable.
If you're sitting around doing nothing waiting for them to attack, then you're not doing much to help your team and it's probably why your team is gonna start losing soon. If you were out there helping to keep the enemy busy, there'd be even *LESS* of a chance that your base would be attacked.Killanthype wrote:(You get to explore the detail and the like while guarding your base, sitting around waiting for the other guy to attack, but he isn't because your team is whooping his rear).
Aww, I never had that problem. Though, adding a climb key in the game would have helped a lot.Neo wrote: Geo-Mod sucks, because it's too easy for people to make a big hole in the floor and for players to get stuck in the floor (or in HighOctane's game's case, the walls and the ceiling, too).
But it sure is fun to do it to others!Also, realistic physics aren't always fun. Getting knocked around with matter weapons isn't fun. *cough*Mass Driver*cough* *cough*Vauss*cough* =P
But when you've got a free-flying anti-grav ship you can't get stuck in holes. So Geomod could work here. Not to mention how many more uses we could have for it then ground pounders.Neo wrote:Geo-Mod sucks, because it's too easy for people to make a big hole in the floor and for players to get stuck in the floor (or in HighOctane's game's case, the walls and the ceiling, too).
You're not thinking in 3D Neo. You're flying a ship. How could you possibly get stuck in a floor in a hole?Neo wrote:Geo-Mod sucks, because it's too easy for people to make a big hole in the floor and for players to get stuck in the floor (or in HighOctane's game's case, the walls and the ceiling, too).
Thats why you impliment this manuver called dodging.Also, realistic physics aren't always fun. Getting knocked around with matter weapons isn't fun. *cough*Mass Driver*cough* *cough*Vauss*cough* =P
Now thats where we get to the fun part. You can help prevent cheating by having the game generate a md5 hash of the table files and levels on the server side. (This doesn't have to be done in real-time. It can be done by the installer, and later the level editor when creating missions, and on startup of the game.) When a player joins a server, the server checks the hash to verify the hash matches. If it doesn't, you don't get to play. Its not a foolproof solution by any means, but it'll help discourage cheating.Not to mention that HaX can destroy the floor completely.
man I missed that feature. it just didn't exist in d3 ;(.Top Wop wrote:One thing I forgot to add:
Descent 2 had the ability for you to eject a weapon or missle so another team member could pick it up. This could be useful for multiplayer. Any chance you an impliment that?
Good point Flame. The D3 crew went thru something like that half way through development then wound up farming out door construction.BlueFlames wrote:Yeah, Geomod sounds like a great way to push the game's release date back four years while adding only a marginal gameplay factor. AWESOME!
Sorry, but it sounds like the engine is basically done. Why encourage the developers to fall prey to feature-creep now? I'd like a Descent-like game, not a Daikatana-like failure.
The fusion you are talking about ruled. If you are flying in reverse and you shot the fusion it made your ship fly faster because of the "buck". I think a feature like this would rule because in a game like descent you have to make people catch stuff so you sometimes fly backwards hoping they come fly into whatever you shoot(at least i do). the buck would help you get out of tight situations quicky. it also adds a effect like trichording but backwards say if you were trichording backwards and shot the fusion you would be going really fast and fast is the key for a action type game. a feature like this would be great if the "buck" was'nt over done.Duper wrote:BlueFlames wrote: The one thing I missed in D3 was the way the Fusion used to shake your ship and buck, hard, when the host was released. Made the gun hard to shoot but was a cool effect. In D3, it was more like a neon purple paintball gun. ...unless a tank is bearing down on you with 3.
