Goodbye, Florida

[Skyalmian]

Get the hell out of there. As if once wasn't enough, they're in for it again.

[Dedman]

I wouldn't mind if Florida just got wiped off of the map except the in-laws are there. No wait...

[STRESSTEST]

Think Redbone's hut will live through this one?

[CDN_Merlin]

Ahh the luxury of living in Canada, no hurricanes here.

I fail to understand why people want to risk their lives more than once every single year.

[Testiculese]

Snow can kill!

But yea, I agree, Merl.

[CDN_Merlin]

Testi, compared to the stuff you guys get, I'm happy with the snow.

[Warlock]

i dont meen to sound bad when i say this but i love hurricanes cause it meens we will get rain out here witch we need bad.

[Mobius]

Thank goodness New Zealand has a temperate island climate!

[Top Wop]

Xciter, all of those other disasters are not as dramatic as a freakin' hurricane. Do you enjoy rebuilding your house every 10 years?

[AceCombat]

what category is Frances now?

[Dedman]

4 last I heard.

[Darktalyn1]

God damnit. I thought this crap was over with.

[Liquid Fire]

Of course, it's lots of fun to live in California, where they keep telling us the "big one" is going to hit and we're all "going to die" within a few years, and meanwhile a forest fire "obliterates" a good chunk of southern california. But don't move away or anything!

...quote marks and all

[suicide eddie]

hasnt new zealand got a lot of dormant volcanos mobi?

[Flatlander]

Face it, life is dangerous. Hey Frances, bring it on, beeyotch!

[woodchip]

i dont meen to sound bad when i say this but i love hurricanes cause it meens we will get rain out here witch we need bad.

Hmmm...when it hits why don't you stand out in it and report back to us how it feels?

[Nitrofox125]

The biggest threat out here in Colorado is lightning... no earthquakes, no tornadoes, a bit of snow, no hurricanes. Lol

[Dedman]

I grew up in California. Earthquakes I can handle. They don't scare me. I lived in Florida for 7 years. Hurricanes scare the pee wading out of me. I guess it's all what you are used to.

[Top Gun]

I've never even seen a tornado, but even the thought of one makes me shudder. We have the occasional watch where I live (southeast PA), and a very rare instance of a smaller tornado (a recent, stronger one did some damage out near Hershey), but thankfully, it's not much more than that. Locally, a tornado is the most destructive force on the planet. They can pack winds in excess of 200 mph, strike with little to no warning, and completely obilterate buildings. That's the one thing I'm deathly afraid of. It always pisses me off when you see videos of tornado watchers going, "Oh wow! That's awesome!" You @$$holes, people could be getting killed by the same damn storm you're drooling over .

As for hurricanes, I've been fortunate enough to never live through one. We've had the remnants of several, one or two still at tropical storm strength, cause massive flooding in the area. The most notable in the last few years were Allison and Floyd. I wouldn't be as scared of a hurricane as a tornado, since you can predict it from a long way off and have plenty of time to head for the hills. Still, I have a ton of respect for them; they pack the most force of any natural disaster, and over the widest area. The storm I share a name with, Andrew, was the costliest natural disaster in US history. I can only hope that Francis isn't that bad or destructive.

I can also say I've never experienced an earthquake, either. I really don't have any fears of them, since the only one I've ever heard of around my area was a 3.0 a few years ago that could barely be felt. If you get enough of a warning, the safest place to be during one would probably be outside, away from any tall buildings, or in the sturdiest part of a building. If I'm wrong on that last point, please enlighten me.

[Sting_Ray]

Well this is good sh!t to know. I'm headed to south carolina for basic training tuesday morning. Gonna be there either FOR the hurricane, or for the aftermath.

Here goes nothin'.

[Top Gun]

Good luck down there .

[Flatlander]

Local perspective from http://www.orlandosentinel.com

With dread, disbelief and a sense of déjà vu, Floridians the length of the state prepared Wednesday to flee Hurricane Frances, just three weeks after Hurricane Charley caused billions of dollars in damage as it ripped across the peninsula.

Late Wednesday, the National Hurricane Center issued a hurricane watch for about 280 miles of Florida coast from Florida City to Flagler Beach. A hurricane watch means that those areas could start feeling hurricane conditions within 36 hours.

Earlier in the day, Gov. Jeb Bush had declared a state of emergency throughout Florida, his second in 22 days. No other state in the past century has faced two such powerful storms so close together, hurricane experts said.

About twice the width of Charley, Hurricane Frances could strengthen into a Category 5 with winds of 156 mph or higher, forecasters said.

"I can't emphasize enough how powerful this is," National Hurricane Center director Max Mayfield said. "If there's something out there that's going to weaken it, we haven't seen it."

Nearly a half-million people were told to get ready to evacuate as Frances headed toward a projected landfall Saturday. Palm Beach County ordered a mandatory evacuation of 300,000 residents along coastal areas beginning at 2 p.m. today, and Brevard County also told 185,000 residents in mobile homes and barrier islands to prepare to leave this afternoon.

Shelters for Brevard residents with special needs will open at 10 a.m. today. Melbourne Greyhound Park has been designated for pets. Other coastal counties were making similar evacuation plans.

Brevard and Volusia schools planned to close today and Friday. Osceola and Orange public schools will close Friday.

The governor ordered the National Guard to report today and be up to strength by Friday. All state toll roads suspended taking tolls Wednesday. Craig Fugate, director of the state Division of Emergency Management, said steps were being taken to prepare for large-scale evacuations, including possibly reversing lanes of some highways to accommodate fleeing coastal residents.

Late Wednesday, the official three-day forecast, which has an average error of 250 miles, had Frances coming ashore on Florida's central east coast Saturday evening. Forecasters cautioned Floridians not to concentrate on the forecast track, but rather on the entire projected track, known as "the cone of error."

That cone showed the entire peninsula in Frances' potential strike zone.

"Hurricanes are not points, especially in Frances' case, because it's so large," hurricane specialist Stacy Stewart said. "We don't want people to say, 'Thank goodness, I live in Daytona Beach. It's coming in Melbourne, so I'm OK.' They're not OK. By no means are people out of the woods anywhere in Florida."

In Brevard, coastal residents braced for the possibility that Frances might strike somewhere along the county's 72-mile coastline.

At Kennedy Space Center, which will close today and Friday, workers put sandbags around NASA facilities, sheltered equipment and took precautions with the three space shuttles that will ride out the storm inside their hangar.

To protect property from looters, a dusk-to-dawn curfew will be in effect in the evacuation areas beginning at sunset Friday. Alcohol sales also will be suspended in those areas.

"We've had so many problems in past storms with people having hurricane parties," said Joan Heller, spokeswoman for Brevard County's Emergency Operations Center. "Frankly, we have much bigger fish to fry than dealing with a lot of drunks."

At Titusville City Marina, Paul and Andrea Landry packed a few important papers and personal photographs and prepared to leave their 42-foot sailboat, Ta Ta, to fate. They booked hotel rooms in Ocala and begged invitations from friends in Fort Myers and South Florida, depending on which way the winds blow.

Cruising the Caribbean for 13 years has made them philosophical about material things.

"It's just stuff," said Andrea Landry, 55. "You can replace stuff."

Rooms from Tallahassee throughout North Florida and southern Georgia were booked solid on the eve of what could be the largest mass movement of Florida residents and tourists in history.

After nailing plywood to the windows of her Flagler Beach home, Mary Stevens tried to find a hotel room for herself and her husband, Bill. All the hotels, all the way to Georgia, were booked.

"Tomorrow night, we're going to get in the car and just start driving north until we find a vacant hotel," said Mary Stevens, 50, an insurance-claims adjuster.

Before Charley, emergency officials feared Floridians had developed "hurricane amnesia" since Hurricane Andrew in 1992.

This time, complacency is not the problem. Instead, hurricane forecasters worry that tens of thousands of Florida's east-coast residents will drive long distances to escape the uncertain path of Frances and clog the roads. When told to evacuate, those in low-lying areas, mobile homes and oceanfront homes should head for higher ground as near as possible.

"We don't want people evacuating hundreds of miles. Go tens of miles. Move inland. Don't drive up or down the state," Mayfield said.

In Vero Beach, roads were quickly becoming clogged with fleeing residents and tourists, convincing Julie McCusker to stick out the storm with her husband and seven cats inside her husband's concrete-block office building near Interstate 95.

"It's more dangerous right now to evacuate than to stay put," she said.

The scope of the threat was unprecedented. Records from the past century show no two Category 4 storms with winds of 131 to 155 mph hitting a state within weeks of each other, hurricane-center meteorologist Rick Knabb said. Charley came ashore with top sustained winds of 145 mph.

The last time two major hurricanes hit Florida in rapid succession was in 1950. Hurricane Easy hit Tampa about Sept. 4 of that year, and Hurricane King hit Miami six weeks later on Oct. 17.

To prepare for Frances, state and federal officials are urging counties and residents to take care of the unfinished business left behind by Charley: debris removal. If the browning piles of branches, dissected tree trunks and building rubble can't be removed in time, officials are asking people to store as much as possible inside.

In Orange County, about 60 percent of Hurricane Charley's debris is still on the ground. Another concern is the availability of generators for its sewage lift stations. Many of those generators have been shipped back, but the county is in the process of recovering them, Orange County Chairman Rich Crotty said.

"You know, a few weeks ago, I said that Charley was not a drill. But I may have been wrong. Charley may be a drill for Frances," said Crotty, who returned Wednesday from the Republican National Convention to prepare for Frances.

Residents throughout the state made runs on hardware stores and grocery shelves, sometimes fighting about sheets of plywood and gas-powered generators.

Ace Hardware in Orange City sold 2605-gallon gas cans in nine minutes. At the Home Depot in Orange City, an afternoon shipment of 700 sheets of plywood was gone in less than an hour, with a limit of 10 sheets per person.

In Melbourne, Mark Zider, a 40-year-old retired roofer from Seattle, was boarding up Wildcat Tackle & Bait shop and preparing to head for West Virginia in his mobile home to wait our the storm.

Zider bought the bait shop just four months ago.

"I've enjoyed owning it," Zider said, "but if that hurricane hits and it's gone when I get back, I guess I picked the wrong year to buy, and they picked the right year to sell."

[Lothar]

The biggest threat out here in Colorado is lightning... no earthquakes, no tornadoes, a bit of snow, no hurricanes.

Depends on which part of Colorado. Limon got practically wiped out by tornados in the mid 80's, and pretty much anywhere east of the mountains is at risk of the same. They do occasionally hit in the Denver area -- we had a small one rip up some trees and take down a lot of street signs in southwest Denver a few years ago (the grass was all laid down in a big swirl right afterwards.)

You also get flash floods in Colorado. Ever heard of the Big Thompson Flood?

But in the right parts of the state, there's very little to worry about...

[woodchip]

The hurricane is now a cat 5 storm...155 mph winds. Speak about a blow job.

[WarAdvocat]

230 miles of coastal zone in evacuation mode.

That's kinda scary.

I'm glad I don't live right on the ocean...but by the same token, I'm only 15 miles inland.

A couple weeks back, Hurricane Charley was knocking down highway signs and trees as far inland as Orlando.

anyway, time to install some storm shutters.

[DCrazy]

Hrm... Charley was supposed to make its way up here, but never did. I hope that Frances is the same way. Long Island is just as non-evacuatable (new word?) as Florida.

[Skyalmian]

The link I posted is updated every 3 hours. Check it.

[Krom]

Yikes!

[Iceman]

My mother and oldest sister are coming up from Jacksonville tomorrow (friday). It appears that the storm will follow them all the way up to my home here in N. Alabama by tuesday. That means that we will have severe thunderstorms and possibly a few tornadoes. Note that I live hundreds of miles inland ...

Tornadoes, Hurricanes, Volcanoes, Earthquakes, etc... It don't matter where you live, there is some sort of natural phenomenon hazard near u too ...

[STRESSTEST]

all I get is rain.. and some snow every few years

[Top Gun]

I'll always say that Antarctica is the best place to live. No hurricanes, no tornadoes, no rain, no earthquakes, no poisonous snakes, no bugs, no heat waves, and no neighbors. Sure, you can have six months of darkness, incredible cold, and raging blizzards, but it doesn't seem like too high a price to pay .

[Scratch]

For those who live in Florida...do you think Panama City will be effected by this? I have to go down there tomorrow and will be there through the weekend ...hopefully leaving on Monday.

[SolidAir]

If it sticks to its current path, it will definitely affect Panama City.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/ftp/graphics/AT ... 0858W5.gif

[Skyalmian]

Link that, please. You know the anal rule about not making the pages wider with large pics...

[SolidAir]

Sorry, I run at 1280x1024

[Testiculese]

I don't think a hurricane can make it to NY and still be considered a hurricane. It would have to not touch land until it got to NY. But a hurricane wouldn't survive a water-only trip to NY intact, too far north. Unless by some fluke, it ran stright for Florida, and then cut upwards a few hundred miles out, and headed right up the coast, not touching land it until it hit us. Doubt that will ever happen. Even so..it wouldn't be any worse than a Cat2.

[MD-2389]

Resized. (Limit is 800x600 @ 100kB, though I'm most concerned about the width than I am the height.)

btw, looks like its gonna hit in my neck of the woods too!

[Warlock]

no no come this way hit the cost of texas, i want more rain

[Skyalmian]

New storm.

[Flatlander]

Tales of the wacky:

Tempers flared this morning as hundreds of people waiting to buy hurricane supplies at a Home Depot on Alafaya Trail saw the doors closed.

Store officials temporarily refused to allow anyone else inside at about 9 a.m., when they thought they were losing control of a line of customers waiting for a truck of supplies to arrive, said Orange County Sheriff's spokesman Cpl. Carlos Torres.

Many customers had been waiting since 4 a.m., when the store opened early to handle what was expected to be a heavy day of sales. A group of about 30 had spent the night outside the store waiting to buy generators only to learn that a Home Depot supplier would not ship anymore until after Hurricane Frances struck, so the hardest hit areas could be served first.

Deputies were summoned to the store when the customers who had arrived early became upset with later-arriving customers who sneaked into the line snaking through the store.

"It's getting kind of hairy. I'll tell you what, it's going to be worse tomorrow," Torres said. "Everybody knows if they act up they're going to get kicked out. And if they get kicked out , they won't get their stuff."

Tensions also rose at the Home Depot at the corner of West Colonial Drive and Hiawassee, where hundreds of customers formed three lines from the parking lot to the store's registers in order to buy plywood, nails, water, duct tape and other items.

At 8:10 a.m. at the same store, an El Sentinel reporter observed a brief shoving match when a woman in line lost her temper and shoved a store employee.

Meanwhile, I-4 road rage took on bizarre dimensions Thursday morning.

Two tractor trailers drivers parked in the middle of the interstate and had a fist fight.

"I've been a cop for 26 years and I thought I had seen everything," said Orange County sheriff's Chief Steve Jones, who broke up the fist fight. "Now I can say I have seen everything."

Jones was driving eastbound at 9:45 a.m. in bumper-to-bumper traffic toward what he thought must have been an accident. That's when he noticed two 18-wheelers stopped in the middle of the eastbound lanes as their drivers duked it out.

"I jumped out of my car, crossed the median and said, 'What are you guys doing? Y'all have any idea that the entire coast of Florida is evacuating and you're stopping traffic to fight?'" he said. "Just look, there's a million people behind you."

Ordered to get back in their trucks and leave, one of the drivers tried to argue the other one pushed him first.

"Obviously, on any other day, both of them would have gone to jail but that really would have backed up traffic," Jones said. "What would I do with two semis?"

Elsewhere, traffic backed up in both directions near the Lake Ivanhoe interchange as motorists stared in disbelief.