Norton System Works 2004 Pro

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:25 pm

has gotten DA BOOT from my system, after 9 solid years of problem free use, now im fed up with norton, i installed SP2 on my system with nortons approval and guarantee that no issues would arise.......well some very serious ones did.

1. now i cannot auto update my NAV '04, it is not even listed in the LiveUpdate items
2. password manager has lost all its stored passwords and fails to initialize properly
3. Ghost has lost 2 of its 3 ghost files
4. Utilities cannot run speed disk, system doctor and win doctor
5. attempted to re-install NSW04 Pro.....it fails to even uninstall properly
6. Phone and live web support is POFS and not available
7. basically i cant do anything with it so BYE BYE it goes

AVG Scanner has replaced NAV 04

any real good programs you guys can show me, that can replace what i lost with norton.

i already have S&D v1.3, Adaware 5, AVG, Zone Alarm and System Mechanic Commerical V3.8c

Vindicator · Post by **Vindicator** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:32 pm

fdisk!

Seriously though, Systemworks 2k4 works fine on both of my SP2 machines here. Firefox handles my passwords, never did see a use for speed disk, ghost still works...

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 4:35 pm

The reason that 2k4 don't work:

USER ERROR!

something tells me a clean install of SP2 would have NSW work without issue

so, its something else that broke NSW when you installed SP2, rather than NSW.

this might be worth reading.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:22 pm

fliptw wrote:....USER ERROR!

you don't say!!

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 5:15 am

Problem is SP2 not NAV.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 10:55 am

fliptw wrote:The reason that 2k4 don't work:

USER ERROR!

something tells me a clean install of SP2 would have NSW work without issue

so, its something else that broke NSW when you installed SP2, rather than NSW.

this might be worth reading.

okay you tell me why Liveupdate only has 2 items to update now, instead of the 26 it did previously?

tell me why NAV fails to update now?

tell me why norton utilities doesnt work now?

tell me why norton ghost some how loses 2 of 5 ghost images?

tell me why when i installed SP2, it DID work until a couple days ago and things just started failing one after the other?

tell me how all this occurred and i havent changed a SINGLE program option in both Windows and NSW 2004 Pro?

tell me why everything else works perfectly except for NSW2004 Pro after my SP2 installation?

tell me why it now says it wont install after i did a proper: Uninstall/reboot/re-install ?

now.......answer all that and ill be happy, no its not user error, i didnt change a god damn thing....it just did it itself and it worked just a few days ago and now it doesnt.....tell me why

this might be worth reading.

i read that before i even touched SP2. i also downloaded the update and it worked for a few days...then it just spontaniously starts failing

i tried Nortons Automatic Service Assistant
i tried Symantec's tech support, all i get is a dead end trail of menu options, i got put on hold for 3 hours, i select one option and the line just goes dead !!!

it was a clean install of SP2, the full download....took me 83 minutes to download everything and another 20-25 mins to install/reboot/setup/operate SP2

Bubblebitch STFU unless you have something constructive to say!

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:22 am

It probably something you did, or allowed another program to do, and was totaly unaware of.

Hell, I'd look closely at all the programs you have installed. That system mechanic sounds fishy.

I wouldn't be surprised if, after another clean install of XP SP2(from a slipstreamed CD), and you didn't install system mechanic, everything with NSW would be peachy.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:26 am

fliptw wrote:It probably something you did, or allowed another program to do, and was totaly unaware of.

i havent touched anything in system mechanic for a few weeks now, only time i use it is when i need to change some startup items that the regular windows MSCONFIG doesnt show.

i know when anything changes anything from Spybots TeaTimer.exe is always running and it alerts me if a critical registry or startup change has occured, and gives me the option to deny or allow it.

i think AVG is faster at scanning too, now that a full system scan only took 2 hours to search 2 80GB Drives...when NAV 04 took 4 hours

here is the real problem too: i borrowed my friends XP Pro CD....he borrowed the CD aswell from a friend who has moved away across the country.........im asking around anyways to see if i can find another XP Pro CD

Warlock · Post by **Warlock** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 1:57 pm

its cause it knows u touch your cat every night

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:16 pm

It worked for a couple of days...OMFG

AceCombat wrote: tell me why when i installed SP2, it DID work until a couple days ago and things just started failing one after the other?

tell me how all this occurred and i havent changed a SINGLE program option in both Windows and NSW 2004 Pro?

i havent touched anything in system mechanic for a few weeks now, only time i use it is when i need to change some startup items that the regular windows MSCONFIG doesnt show.

i know when anything changes anything from Spybots TeaTimer.exe is always running and it alerts me if a critical registry or startup change has occured, and gives me the option to deny or allow it.

USER Error Ace, get off your

RANT. all your answers are right above in your own statements...... reinstall your shiznit, and do not enable TEA TIMER unless your a friggen noob.

TEA TIMER blocks all installs boot record alterations(NAV) install/unistall boot cleanups....in addition to simple registry alterations associated with spyware/malware from surfing ghey feline porn sites. Leave MS config alone...either unsinstall the offending program or create different USERS for different program sets

TheCops · Post by **TheCops** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 2:53 pm

BUBBALOU wrote:in addition to simple registry alterations associated with spyware/malware from surfing ghey feline porn sites.

:-0

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:14 pm

BUBBALOU wrote:
USER Error Ace, get off your RANT. all your answers are right above in your own statements...... reinstall your shiznit, and do not enable TEA TIMER unless your a friggen noob.

TEA TIMER blocks all installs boot record alterations(NAV) install/unistall boot cleanups....in addition to simple registry alterations associated with spyware/malware from surfing ghey feline porn sites. Leave MS config alone...either unsinstall the offending program or create different USERS for different program sets

oh well Mr. Genious, tell me why after i TURNED OFF tea Timer IT STILL FAILED!!

dumb f0k.....i tried that. now WTF you want me to do, make you friggin video

jesus f00king christ im not that god damn stupid....i turned off tea timer it failed!!.....i used system restore....it still failed!!!!!! i tried safe mode.......FAILED!!!!!!!!! the only thing left is formatting and starting all over, but i dont have a god damn XP Pro CD!

i tried everything i know, you still call it user error..................HOW THE FvCK IS IT GOD DAMN USER ERROR! IT WORKED.....WORKED FOR 3 WEEKS, THEN IT DECIDES TO QUIT, I DIDNT DO ANYTHING TO IT, I DIDNT CHANGE ANY GOD DAMN SETTING ON MY SYSTEM PERIOD!! IT SIMPLY QUIT, AND I CANT GET IT TO RE-INSTALL TO MAKE IT.......................

you know what....just forget it.

bubblebitch, you make me f0king sick......

your PUNK ★■◆● ass is nothing but a overworked hypocrite, you tell me not to sh1t on other people's thread but you do the same god damn thing to my threads....just STFU & FOD!!

*Ace* storms off "dumb f0king SOB"

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:18 pm

AceCombat wrote:
BUBBALOU wrote:
USER Error Ace, get off your RANT. all your answers are right above in your own statements...... reinstall your shiznit, and do not enable TEA TIMER unless your a friggen noob.

TEA TIMER blocks all installs boot record alterations(NAV) install/unistall boot cleanups....in addition to simple registry alterations associated with spyware/malware from surfing ghey feline porn sites. Leave MS config alone...either unsinstall the offending program or create different USERS for different program sets
oh well Mr. Genious, tell me why after i TURNED OFF tea Timer IT STILL FAILED!!

dumb f0k

becuase the damage was already done?

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:21 pm

look again flip....i added more

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 4:33 pm

system restore doesn't catch everything.

it also presumes that the damage was done after the restore point you used. For all you know, it could've happened just after the last time you used LU.

This thread is why prevention is better than cure, cause cures can kill.

Time to drop IE.

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:09 pm

I saved that post to my archives of Ace

rants.

Go download XP Pro, and use your CD key, or did you loan that out too?

Or how about this.

ROLL IT BACK TO BEFORE YOU INSTALLED SP2?

Oh I'm sorry that would make too much sense

Capm · Post by **Capm** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 8:57 pm

Ace, after 9 years of use, do you mean norton or your PC?

If its your PC - should it even be running XP at all?
The biggest problem I find is idiots putting XP on machines it *shouldn't* be on.
Please post your system specs.

If its norton - well, ★■◆● happens - a clean install probably would work fine.

Back up your files, format, and reinstall.
You should do this at least once every year or two anyway, depending on how clean you keep your system. It gives you an excuse to update all the old drivers in your system too. Alot of people don't realize how slow their system has become or how many problems it *shouldn't* have until they do this.

You have a serious anger problem Ace. You need to learn to bite your tounge, or are you proud of the reputation you are earning here? You shouldn't be. People wouldn't make snide comments like "user error" if you hadn't given them cause to think this over a long period of time. See, you'll probably flame me because of this paragraph, instead of taking the advice I'm giving you (I say that because of your "reputation"). I'm not insulting you here, I'm trying to help you. Take a minute, step back, think about things - when you get mad, don't yell and scream like an idiot - it gets you nowhere but made more fun of. Humility, humbleness and common courtesy will get you alot farther than your current courses of action. Think about it.

Asrale · Post by **Asrale** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 9:35 pm

Avast (also free) > AVG

And I've heard Kerio is a better free firewall than ZoneAlarm, uses less system resources.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Thu Oct 07, 2004 11:23 pm

Ace... *shakes head*

Format the damned thing, install XP, install SP2 directly afterwards, then install NSW (this time, just install NAV, NU (and only Speed Disk and Disk Doctor...the other bull★■◆● bloatware programs serve no purpose other than to waste disk space and ★■◆● up windows) and thats it!) and GHOST the ★■◆●ing thing! Burn said image to a CD or DVD and stick it someplace thats dry and shaded. Then install Spybot, but don't enable any of the programs it recommends! Then FFS, stop surfing porn sites with IE. Thats like driving in a buggy race without a seat belt. Sooner or later, you're gonna get hurt. Mozilla is the answer to the IE bull★■◆●. Use IE for windows update and nothing BUT windows update.

That, or send the damn thing back and never touch a computer again.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:25 pm

Capm wrote:Ace, after 9 years of use, do you mean norton or your PC?

norton is the only thing not working on my PC

If its your PC - should it even be running XP at all?
The biggest problem I find is idiots putting XP on machines it *shouldn't* be on.
Please post your system specs.

HP Pavillion 753n Case
Antec 400Watt True Power PSU
P-4 HT 3.06 GHz 800FSB
1GB PC-2700 Kingston DDR
2x 80 GB 7200 HDD's 1x Samsung 1x Western Digital
GFFX 5600 Ultra

If its norton - well, **** happens - a clean install probably would work fine.

this is the first time Norton has done anything like this, since ive been using it for over 5 years

Back up your files, format, and reinstall.

problem with that, i dont have a XP Pro CD

You should do this at least once every year or two anyway, depending on how clean you keep your system. It gives you an excuse to update all the old drivers in your system too.

i know this already

You have a serious anger problem Ace. You need to learn to bite your tounge, or are you proud of the reputation you are earning here?

got a problem with my anger?

why am i soo angry? because of a bunch load of hypocritical SOB's who flame, bash, taunt, harass, pester and obliviate me for things that they do themselves.

BubbleBitch storms off at me when i flame or troll a post, then he comes to my threads and does the exact same god damn thing! ohhhh but wait, when i call them out for it, i still get bashed!! now WTF is the god damn problem here?

BUBBALOU wrote:ROLL IT BACK TO BEFORE YOU INSTALLED SP2?

cant, SP2 wiped out all the restore point prior to SP2 installation

Asrale wrote:Avast (also free) > AVG

And I've heard Kerio is a better free firewall than ZoneAlarm, uses less system resources.

my Zone Alarm is not Free TYVM

MD-2389 wrote:Ace... *shakes head*

Format the damned thing, install XP, install SP2 directly afterwards, then install NSW (this time, just install NAV, NU (and only Speed Disk and Disk Doctor...the other bull**** bloatware programs serve no purpose other than to waste disk space and **** up windows) and thats it!) and GHOST the ****ing thing! Burn said image to a CD or DVD and stick it someplace thats dry and shaded. Then install Spybot, but don't enable any of the programs it recommends!

once again, i dont have a XP Pro CD, so how am i going to reinstall XP?

That, or send the damn thing back and never touch a computer again.

why send it back, its not giving me any hardware problems. just NSW is acting up. everything else works fine

Jeff250 · Post by **Jeff250** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 3:09 pm

Uninstall SP2?

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 6:41 pm

i may have to do that, im testing all possible solutions before i do that

BUBBALOU · Post by **BUBBALOU** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:13 pm

AceCombat wrote:
BUBBALOU wrote:ROLL IT BACK TO BEFORE YOU INSTALLED SP2?
cant, SP2 wiped out all the restore point prior to SP2 installation

Absolute BS CrunchFace, SP2 install prompted you to create a restore point, if you decided to skip it...well then serves you right.. Quit the oh boohoo, have pity on my Ace.

This has nothing to do with SP2.. otherwise it would have occured 3 weeks ago when you installed it!!

We just do not want to hold your hand anymore....my replies are blunt. So with that note.

Lil PIA. you start off a thread with a RANT..A$$. You want help, then puckerup and bend over and be humble. Post the symptoms give specs and dont DO SH!Z.
Give feedback..not BS..answer the questions presented to you and take what little help is offered to you.

Hey Ace...better yet, JSTFU and do not post anymore, until you pull the feline out of your rear and get your alleged WinXP_Pro CD

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 10:38 pm

BUBBALOU wrote:
AceCombat wrote:
BUBBALOU wrote:ROLL IT BACK TO BEFORE YOU INSTALLED SP2?
cant, SP2 wiped out all the restore point prior to SP2 installation
Absolute BS CrunchFace, SP2 install prompted you to create a restore point, if you decided to skip it...well then serves you right.. Quit the oh boohoo, have pity on my Ace.

then you tell me why all restore points prior to me installing SP2 are gone now?

i definately would not choose to skip making a restore point. that particular point when i installed SP2 is the farthest one back....prior to that.......nope everything gone.

This has nothing to do with SP2.. otherwise it would have occured 3 weeks ago when you installed it!!

i dont see how, NSW 2004 Pro worked perfectly since the day i bought it....Jan 12 2004....but after SP2 it started acting weird, then it starts failing to do this, then it fails altogether

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:29 am

Ace, I'm running NSW2k4 on my rig right now and its not giving me the first bit of trouble. If theres something wrong, you did it.

Now that being said, you need to completely uninstall NSW2k4. click me and skip to step 2 and follow the rest. Then re-install and run LU.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 3:12 pm

i dont know what i could have possibly done

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:20 pm

MD-2389 wrote:Now that being said, you need to completely uninstall NSW2k4. click me and skip to step 2 and follow the rest. Then re-install and run LU.

no go. followed every step exactly....it still fails

ohwell..screw it, im happy with AVG. as i said previously its faster than NAV.

thanx for the help guys (except for a few that didnt help but just pestered me)

hey stressypoo wrap this up