Wanted Dead or Alive?

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:01 am

Heard that Yasser Arafat may be dead, but then I heard it may be untrue. So who's hiding what?

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:13 am

Either way, is it really going to matter?

bash · Post by **bash** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 11:17 am

It will be a fitting legacy of Arafat that he leaves no plan in place for an orderly transfer of authority. As a result, his death will likely cause alot of other deaths. Let's hope whoever struggles to the top to replace him is a man we can work with and one who sincerely wants peace and not just power.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 1:17 pm

While in the frog hospital, Arafat was asked what he thought it would take to bring peace between Palastine & Israel. His reply was telling as to his (Arafat) ability as a leader. He replied that he thought it would take President Bush pushing the Road Map for Peace plan. Well, isn't that interesting. What Arafat admits is that he himself is too incompetant to accomplish the task but he wants to place the blame for his failures on someone else.
Funny too how supposedly Bush is much maligned as a world leader, yet here we have a head honcho terrorist admitting that to bring peace in the middle east it will take this very hated person to do the job. Go figure.

Kyouryuu · Post by **Kyouryuu** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:32 pm

No one ever said these people were smart.

If they were, they'd be at the bargaining table rather than blowing themselves up in public locations to make their so-called point.

Sirian · Post by **Sirian** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:12 am

I hope that Abbas emerges as the leader. If he gets killed by militants, there will be hot war before we see any peace. On the other hand, if the moderates do gain control, there may be a real shot at peace, via the plan Bush laid out in June '02.

The missing ingredient is Palestinian leadership. If a leader emerges who believes more in building on what his people have rather than in clinging to the fantasy of pushing all the Israelis into the sea and taking what they have, then good things may become possible for both sides.

- Sirian

index_html · Post by **index_html** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 5:00 am

If a leader emerges who believes more in building on what his people have rather than in clinging to the fantasy of pushing all the Israelis into the sea and taking what they have, then good things may become possible for both sides.

He'd probably be assassinated by Hamas in quick order if he made a serious effort. Just a refresher:

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[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam ... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.

-Hamas Charter (Article 13)
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Pretty hard to negotiate peace with that degree of intransigence hanging around your neck. I expect some Arafat II will fall into place. He'll talk about the peace process on and on, but never offer anything or agree to anything. Another diversionary figurehead to keep attention off the bomb makers and gun runners. I'd like to be wrong, but that's what I anticipate.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 6:49 am

It is sad that they are keeping Arafat alive on machines just so they have time to negotiate a place to bury him.
The Palistinians will have a golden chance to put in place a leader who understands that peace and a national state are synonimous. Alas, I think Palistine will sink into chaos where Hamas will gain control forcing Isreal to go in and dismantel Palastine in order to rebuild it.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:09 am

The greatest hope for peace lies in aquiring the gps coordinates for the meeting place where the potential successors gather in time to launch....

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:34 am

Dude, thats cold.

Stryker · Post by **Stryker** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 10:58 am

So are the people that associate with those that send suicide bombers into Israel and chop off people's heads.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:36 am

We have the gps coordinates of Israel. Wouldn't that accomplish the same thing?

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:47 am

Heh!! We have so many spies in the pentagon Ded' we know you need a crap before your sphincter twitches sunshine.

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 11:59 am

I don't doubt that for a millisecond FC

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 2:55 am

Yeah, but our shiat comes with fire. So you best clear out before you get burned

Zuruck · Post by **Zuruck** » Sat Nov 06, 2004 8:44 am

I'm glad someone else said it too Dedman. I'm not quite sure why nobody places any of the blame on Israel. Now I think these bombings on buses with kids is absoutely horrible, it's the most vile thing I think they can do. The only problem is that it doesn't seem like the Jews do much to not stoke the fire. It has to be difficult though, I cannot imagine living in a place like that.

Flabby Chick · Post by **Flabby Chick** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 10:45 am

Ruined my family weekend trip to the south what with all this Arafat palavering! The whole country is going to be on lockdown if he pops his clogs, and i'm not sure if i want to risk it if it happens whilst i'm down there. Looks like another bbq with a few glasses of red wine at home again.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShAr ... ntrassID=2

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 11:15 am

Zuruck wrote:...The only problem is that it doesn't seem like the Jews do much to not stoke the fire. It has to be difficult though, I cannot imagine living in a place like that.

Well go back and read index_html's post where he posted this:
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[Peace] initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement... Those conferences are no more than a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the lands of Islam ... There is no solution for the Palestinian problem except by Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are but a waste of time, an exercise in futility.

-Hamas Charter (Article 13)
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Then tell me what you want the jews to do?