Guns make life hell

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 4:43 am

I've never figured out why people go hunting, but I guess there's some reason for it.

But accidents don't seem to be particularly uncommon these days. Seems every season about five or so people get killed hunting pigs or something here; every time because either someone incorrectly identified a target or had some accident with the gun itself...

Nonetheless I do acknowledge that proper gun handling and responsible behaviour could eliminate hunting accidents; the problem is, despite tragedies such as these people still have a "she'll be right" attitude, and don't bother taking precautions.

I for one hope the person who shot your brother in the knee, Tricord, has learned from that... although it's his fault and I suppose he's an idiot for not being more careful, it was still an accident and he could be nearly as upset as you...

But in summary, I wish your brother the best, and as complete a recovery as possible... although his knee will almost certainly never be the same again and he may not be able to walk on that leg, he at least got off mostly in one piece and can still put his life back together...

Tetrad · Post by **Tetrad** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 5:43 am

Guys, I know this is a flamebait topic, but do all of you really think this is an appropriate time or place for it? Have some decency.

Tricord, I'm sorry for you and your familiy.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:02 am

Wait, is it appropriate for Tricord to, in the first post of this thread, start his crusade against guns, and then label us all "redneck Americans"? Come on. He asked for it.

Beowulf · Post by **Beowulf** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:20 am

Can you blame him? His brother basically lost his leg because of someone's carelessness.

Hattrick · Post by **Hattrick** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:35 am

Sirius wrote:I've never figured out why people go hunting, but I guess there's some reason for it.

is feeding your family a good enough reason? As I said in my earlier post, Many families rely on hunting to put food on the table.

DigiJo · Post by **DigiJo** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:37 am

sorry to hear that trichord, i really hope your brother fully recovers from this accident.

llClutchll · Post by **llClutchll** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 10:25 am

Tetrad wrote:Guys, I know this is a flamebait topic, but do all of you really think this is an appropriate time or place for it? Have some decency.

Tricord, I'm sorry for you and your familiy.

^ What he said.

Hope your brother recovers soon bud.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:38 am

I wish your brother a speedy recovery and may God be with him.

Keep us updated.

B-

kufyit · Post by **kufyit** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 11:51 am

This is a redneck forum, and guns are nothing but bad. I wish the best for your brother...

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:23 pm

Tetrad wrote:Guys, I know this is a flamebait topic, but do all of you really think this is an appropriate time or place for it? Have some decency.

Tricord, I'm sorry for you and your familiy.

x3
(his justified venting of anger and frustration shouldn't get the kind of reaction seen in here)

Tri, in a way I've actually been on the other side of your situation. I won't go into details, but number of years ago, my actions nearly led to an unintentional death (i.e. I accidentally nearly killed someone). The person managed to survive despite his injuries, but the events (what I can remember, some parts seem blocked out) still haunt me to this day. I'm sure the guy who tripped and fired the gun is feeling the same.

In my case, the accident led to a change in the way I do certain things. Hopefully, the tragedy will at least lead to some changes in your case, as well.

Topher · Post by **Topher** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 12:52 pm

Tricord wrote:Let this be a reminder that there can NEVER be a useful purpose for guns in todays socity.

Your post has zero to do with guns and everything to do with being careless around dangerous items or materials. This is the same thing as an industrial accident, a guy flips the wrong switch and the guy in the blender gets vaporized, or you forget to check the O-rings and your toy rocket with seven astronauts on board explodes. Rockets, like guns, aren't a bad thing, they need to be handled with respect and you need to understand the risks with them.

Hunting is inherintely dangerous. It could have been with a bow and arrow, or a he tripped on a knife or the deer plugged his behind with its antlers. The fact that they were all in a line without any kind of safteys on the gun while they were walking shows their carelessness, not the evils of how the gun hurt your brother.

If your brother was hurt from a gang shooting across the street, then I would understand your prejudice against guns.

Needless to say, this is why I will never go hunting.

Boo · Post by **Boo** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:24 pm

Best of luck to your brother. Hope they fix the nerves...

Hattrick · Post by **Hattrick** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 1:34 pm

Edited by poster

Keep us posted on your brothers recovery tri.

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 2:15 pm

Best wishes and hopes for a speedy recovery.

And people please stay away from hasty generalizations and rude labels.

Grendel · Post by **Grendel** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:41 pm

I'm very sorry to hear that Tri. My best wishes to your brother.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 3:59 pm

Foil wrote:(his justified venting of anger and frustration shouldn't get the kind of reaction seen in here)

If this was an isolated incident, I'd agree. But Tricord has been on this forum at least as long as I have (6 and a half years.) There's a historical precedent you're probably unaware of -- he's made a habit of bashing Americans whenever he gets a chance. It's like his release valve -- "oh, I'm upset about something, time to go on the DBB and insult the Americans for being rednecks."

If this was the first time, we'd have let it go after the first couple "blame the operator, not the tool" posts -- but with his history, we're going to be harsh.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 4:54 pm

Tricord wrote:Never thought that DCrazy and Ace would swap in my esteem ranking on this board, though.

is that a good thing or a bad thing

how is your brother doing Tri? are there any updates on his condition? i hope he is doing very well and no critical complications exist

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 1:03 am

Only recently Lothar.

Tricord · Post by **Tricord** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:12 pm

Ferno wrote:
CDN_Merlin wrote:Thing is with a table saw, it's your own fault, with guns, most of the time it's not your own fault.
Let me get this straight.. you have a gun, loaded, pointed in an unsafe direction, with safety off. it fires and it's not your fault?

Sure it's someone's fault, but what Merlin means is that in case of a gun accident, the fault often lies with someone else than the injured. With a table saw, you injure yourself, so blame yourself. However, with a gun you can injure someone else too, which is what happened here.

It seems Lothar is taking the same bait he is accusing me of. Prejudice.
I have been in outspoken political disagreement with some of the members on this board since "war against terrorism" became the concern of the US goverment. So what?
Now Lothar, shut the ★■◆● up. With you being more religious than the pope, I'd have hoped either sympathy or silence from you, nothing more. You surely are no diplomat. Me probably neither. So we shouldn't talk to each other.

Many thanks to those showing support, it is truly appreciated.

This said, neurologic tests for my brother weren't too hopeful so it has been decided to operate the nerves tomorrow. What they're going to do is take out a nerve from his healthy leg (from the knee to the heel), multiplex it, and use it to repair the severed nerve in his knee. The theory is to sacrifice feeling in his good leg to reestablish the motoric functions in his other. Having no feeling is less important than no motoric control, which is obvious. Otherwise the muscles will atrofy and he will never walk again.

This is in theory, this is what we hope. But nerves are fragile things and just may or may not do what we hope them to. However, my brother's age plays in his advantage, he has a higher chance of reestablishing the neural connection than older people.

Although this operation isn't complicated, it is very minutious and delicate, because of the fragility of the nerves. It will take at least 12 hours. Hope for the best with me or shut up.

Tricord · Post by **Tricord** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:22 pm

AceCombat wrote:
Tricord wrote:Never thought that DCrazy and Ace would swap in my esteem ranking on this board, though.
is that a good thing or a bad thing

For you it's a good thing! I really appreciate your being sensitive about my brother, especially after your colorful "shoot mexican in the leg" stories..

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 2:30 pm

Tricord wrote:
AceCombat wrote:
Tricord wrote:Never thought that DCrazy and Ace would swap in my esteem ranking on this board, though.
is that a good thing or a bad thing
For you it's a good thing! I really appreciate your being sensitive about my brother, especially after your colorful "shoot mexican in the leg" stories..

HAHAHAHAHAH!!! dont even get me started on that!!! ( even though it did happen )

good to hear that he is doing good, man i pray for the good outcome of his nerve surgery. my father has to get some of the same "nano-scale" surgery on his jaw and the nerve endings in his jaw bone.

snoopy · Post by **snoopy** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:00 pm

Sorry to hear that, tri.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:36 pm

Tri,

Your brother being injured does not give you a free pass to take a cheap shot at the U.S and its citizens. If you're looking for sympathy I suggest you be a bit more sympathetic toward others. Your "outspoken political disagreements" about the "war on terrorism" have little to do with your contempt toward America and its citizens. You've been a pompous Euro kid since you joined this board, albeit, you were far more subtle about it.
This "redneck forum" affords you a place to post about gaming, your brothers accident and life in general and you seem to frequent it. If the responses are not what you're looking for, leave. Go find a board full of Euro "yes" men, slap each other on the arses , drive your BMW and dine with tall glasses of 'fine' Euro wine.

Now, go play that baby grand piano and shove it up your conceited Euro poop-shoot, ★■◆●.

B-

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 3:58 pm

Fusion pimp wrote:Tri,

Your brother being injured does not give you a free pass to take a cheap shot at the U.S and its citizens. If you're looking for sympathy I suggest you be a bit more sympathetic toward others.

W3RD

Now, that said ... I hope your brother recovers the full use of his leg and that he does so as quick as possible.

Please tell me his name so my children and I can pray for his recovery tonight.

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:03 pm

Tricord wrote:It seems Lothar is taking the same bait he is accusing me of. Prejudice.

I don't believe I've made any generalizations about Belgians in this thread (though others have, and they seem to have escaped your wrath.) I've made a specific statement about your own behavior, but I haven't made any sort of prejudiced "pompous Euro" remarks or anything like that. There's no prejudice here -- I'm just commenting directly on what you yourself have said.

I have been in outspoken political disagreement with some of the members on this board since "war against terrorism" became the concern of the US goverment. So what?

Irrelevant. That's not why you're being criticized.

You're being criticized because you're using your brother's injury as an excuse to bash "redneck Americans" because some people told you not to blame the gun, but to blame the people who don't operate their guns safely.

With you being more religious than the pope, I'd have hoped either sympathy or silence from you, nothing more.

Then you misunderstand my religion. It wouldn't be the first time.

Your brother has my sympathy, and so do you. But I see no reason to remain silent in response to your insults. You have my sympathy, but I'm still going to challenge you if you say something that needs challenged.

I hope your brother's surgery goes well. He'll be in my thoughts and prayers.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:19 pm

Folks, keep it civil or the thread gets it in the head.

Defender · Post by **Defender** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 9:24 pm

MD-2389 wrote:Folks, keep it civil or the thread gets it in the head.

Bad pun IMO.

You and your brother have my sympathies and hopes for a speedy recovery, but as mentioned, your American bashing is out of line.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:08 pm

Fusion pimp wrote:Tri,

Your brother being injured does not give you a free pass to take a cheap shot at the U.S and its citizens. If you're looking for sympathy I suggest you be a bit more sympathetic toward others. Your "outspoken political disagreements" about the "war on terrorism" have little to do with your contempt toward America and its citizens. You've been a pompous Euro kid since you joined this board, albeit, you were far more subtle about it.
This "redneck forum" affords you a place to post about gaming, your brothers accident and life in general and you seem to frequent it. If the responses are not what you're looking for, leave. Go find a board full of Euro "yes" men, slap each other on the arses , drive your BMW and dine with tall glasses of 'fine' Euro wine.

Now, go play that baby grand piano and shove it up your conceited Euro poop-shoot, ****ole.

B-

Be the better man, Barry. Attack Tri specifically rather than resorting to generalizations and stereotypes.

Fusion pimp · Post by **Fusion pimp** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:40 pm

haha!

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:39 am

Tricord wrote:Sure it's someone's fault, but what Merlin means is that in case of a gun accident, the fault often lies with someone else than the injured. With a table saw, you injure yourself, so blame yourself. However, with a gun you can injure someone else too, which is what happened here.

I saw what Merlin was getting at, but I still believe that the person who had the loaded gun should have been smarter by making sure it was unloaded when he was in a group of people. It's like the 'running with scissors' example.

But seriously Tri. Calling us lot 'redneck americans' was pretty below the belt. I believe it was just a rash decision on your part fueled by your anger and hurt for your brother's serious injury. Me, I'm willing to look past it. But be warned. I won't look past it all the time. I'm sure you know that I do have patience and kindness, but it's not infinite. If you do go over the line enough times, I won't hesitate to tear you a new one.

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:08 am

And uh, to those that don't already, cut him some slack just this once... he doesn't really need this kind of thing right now.

Even if his comments annoyed you. Later.

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:54 am

I hope the surgery goes well.

I also hope you need a gun someday and manage to stick to your convictions regardless.

Tricord · Post by **Tricord** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 10:37 am

A thread is a process of interaction, and in this case it escalated. I have received comments that were uncalled for, so I gave some that were uncalled for as well. I am upset, damn right I am.

Face it; there is a general mentality on this board that leans very much off center, in all aspects.

You can interprete my words any way you like, Lothar, in fact you too have a history of interpreting one's words the way that suits you best. You could have thought "he's upset, he doesn't really mean what he says" or you could have thought "he's abusing his brother's situation to insult americans". Although the second thought seems a little far-fetched, it's up to you to choose which thought you follow. The only difference is that by choosing the latter, you kindof force me to mean what I said. You keep your cast-iron position in all your calculating coolness, while I am given incentive to further revolt in this issue. Which I won't do. Maths only get you that far in life.

Now, it's not me we're talking about, it's my brother. He's been transferred to the operation block 15 minutes ago, so they'll start the operation any minute now. The whole family hopes for the best.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 11:11 am

I think he was angry and lashing out at the most obvious target. I can overlook someone being angry in a situation like that enough to not flame them on it. But I can't be silent when he says something I see as wrong on such a important issue. On an internet forum it is often hard to tell when someone being serious from a flame, I was writing up my posts with a cool and collected head and I have no intention of flaming Tricord. I understand his position and I know he doesn't need people flaming him right now, but also he doesn't need to be flaming period, when you are angry and upset its better to just keep quiet before you say something you will regret.

Tri, I hope the operation goes well and your brother has a swift recovery.

Foil · Post by **Foil** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 12:52 pm

Okay, I know I'm new to the board, but I'm gonna make a suggestion:

Split off an "issue" thread from this one (put it in E&C if that's best), and leave this thread exclusively for concerns about Tri's brother. Or if that doesn't work, leave this thread for the "gun issue", and make the other one for sympathies/prayers/news/etc.

Either way, it should stop this ridiculous bouncing around between sympathies, flames, and every other back-handed post in-between.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:30 pm

I wholeheartedly agree, Foil.

Tri, regardless of what was said, my thoughts and prayers are with your brother and your family. Best of luck to him.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 2:37 pm

Hope everything goes well Tri.

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 3:01 pm

Tri, you know you can message me on ICQ anytime if you need to talk. Take care bro.

AceCombat · Post by **AceCombat** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:40 pm

man, lay off the damn comments already. the mans brother has been shot.....and may never fully use his legs again.

Tri, IMHO, just ignore all this f00king BS and focus on your brothers recovery.

Krom · Post by **Krom** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:14 pm

Oh look, Ace provides the perfect example of a dumb redneck comment for us.

Guns make life hell

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