Doing enough

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 6:57 am

Well there she was again, Ms Hillary getting her mug shot in front of the news camera this morning as part of the senate delegation to Iraq. What got me was how dear sweet Hillary was exclaiming how the congress of the United States was doing everthing to help the Iraqi people. Does this included quagmire statements by Kennedy or statements extolling how newly trained Iraqi troops aren't bleeding enough compared to american troops or the Iraqi's should put their election off as they can't possibly have a meaningful election this soon...is this what Hillary meant by helping the Iraqi people? Or did she mean the Iraqi insurgents?

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 7:25 am

Oh shut up.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:26 am

She's not worth the pot I piss in, so I don't really care what she has to say!

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:22 am

Avder wrote:Oh shut up.

Vader, I wish she would too.

Tetrad · Post by **Tetrad** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:26 am

woodchip wrote:
Avder wrote:Oh shut up.
Vader, I wish she would too.

Yes because voicing displeasure at the way things are going is Un American.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:02 pm

Tetrad wrote:
woodchip wrote:
Avder wrote:Oh shut up.
Vader, I wish she would too.
Yes because voicing displeasure at the way things are going is Un American.

No, voicing displeasure to make things seem what they are not is liberalism at its worst.

bash · Post by **bash** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:21 pm

Clinton has always been more hawkish on the war than most Dems. That said, success has many mothers.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 2:59 pm

Testiculese wrote:She's not worth the pot I piss in, so I don't really care what she has to say!

Amen to that.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 5:56 pm

She wont pass the primaries. Dems wont give you the chance to vote against her....unless your DCrazy.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 9:45 pm

hilliary scares me.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Sat Feb 19, 2005 11:10 pm

Gooberman wrote:She wont pass the primaries. Dems wont give you the chance to vote against her....unless your DCrazy.

Heh. No way she's getting through these primaries. The only constituency she has is north of 125th Street.

Hillary Clinton is not a politician. She might be a lawyer, but she is not a successful, accomplished, or capable pol by any stretch of the imagination. True politicians are quick on their feet to respond to questions or challenges (Rudy Giuliani, for example). Hillary is a face to put up on a billboard.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:55 pm

DCrazy wrote:Hillary is a face to put up on a billboard.

...and a scary one at that

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:10 am

Hillary has played her cards very intelligently recently.

She's let the rest of her party sound like a bunch of barking moonbats. She's let them cry about the Iraq war, and she's kept mostly out of it. She let history decide, and then she made her statement. (I think she genuinely is happy about it, but she held off on comments until it was popular to say so.)

Similarly, she's made a lot of comments recently about abortion that make her sound pretty center -- about how she wants abortion to be an option you "never have to use" and things like that.

She's positioning herself to look positively center compared to the rest of her party. She knows the hard-core left would vote for her if it meant keeping a Republican out of the white house, so she's angling for the center votes.

It remains to be seen how people will react. I don't think her centerist rhetoric on abortion will actually match her actions, but if others are convinced (in this and other areas) she'd stand a good chance in a general election.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:37 pm

Lothar wrote: It remains to be seen how people will react. I don't think her centerist rhetoric on abortion will actually match her actions, but if others are convinced (in this and other areas) she'd stand a good chance in a general election.

Accord.

BD

Dedman · Post by **Dedman** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:29 pm

Lothar wrote:She's let the rest of her party sound like a bunch of barking moonbats.

Stop that! I damn near squirted soda out of my nose when I read that.

Yeah, she scares me too.

dissent · Post by **dissent** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:32 pm

Lothar wrote:Hillary has played her cards very intelligently recently...

She's positioning herself to look positively center compared to the rest of her party. She knows the hard-core left would vote for her if it meant keeping a Republican out of the white house, so she's angling for the center votes.

Sure; just like Bill did, except that Bill probably is more toward the center than Hillary. If she can get the far right to sound like moonbats too, without a Republican centrist voice, then maybe she can stitch together a formidable candidacy that will appeal to centrist voters of both parties.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:43 pm

If she becomes President, what does that make Bill? First Gentleman?

She has one thing holding her back IMO and that is her gender. Though I believe there will be a woman president eventually, I do not think it will happen in the next election. Theres nothing wrong with a woman becoming the president but as long as there is still a voting population from the early to mid 20th century still around to vote, I don't see it happening. I can picture the voting pool consisting of people born in the 70s and 80s voting in a woman though.

I'm a spectator though, so we'll see what happens in a few more years.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 7:43 pm

Tyranny wrote:If she becomes President, what does that make Bill? First Gentleman?

Might make him Vice-President, if she puts him on the ticket. How does that make you feel?

Tyranny wrote: She has one thing holding her back IMO and that is her gender. Though I believe there will be a woman president eventually, I do not think it will happen in the next election . . . . I can picture the voting pool consisting of people born in the 70s and 80s voting in a woman though.

You cut me to the quick, Tyrannisourus Age-ist. This old bastage, born in 1960, is predicting the nomination and successful presidential election of Condi Rice in 2008.

Say it with me: Condi for President.

Think Big,

BD

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:36 pm

Bold Deceiver wrote:
Might make him Vice-President, if she puts him on the ticket. How does that make you feel?

Sick but it might be a brillant move on her part. Be economical too...after all Bill already has a SS detail assigned to him

Tyranny wrote:

Bold Deceiver wrote:You cut me to the quick, Tyrannisourus Age-ist. This old bastage, born in 1960, is predicting the nomination and successful presidential election of Condi Rice in 2008.

Say it with me: Condi for President.

Think Big,BD

1960 huh? I was already in junior high looking to cob feels off the newly budding girls

Just an aside some recent poll put Hillary for Pres at 50+% and Condi at 20+%

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 10:43 pm

Thats great BD, but I have to believe you're amongst a smaller number of voters in the same age range who would vote for a female president.

Condi winning it is a looooong shot IMO

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:12 am

Tyranny wrote:Thats great BD, but I have to believe you're amongst a smaller number of voters in the same age range who would vote for a female president.

Oh man. You think the class of '78 is not open-minded enough to elect a black woman????

I think that's hilarious, but only because at the time, we considered ourselves to be very much beyond the cutting edge of civil rights and equality issues. Those battles had already been fought and largely won, from where we stood. So it's kind of a crack-up to get lumped in with ... I dunno, my parents generation.

Sigh. And here we freakin' gave you guys the Eagles.

Ah well, the Dude Abides.

BD

P.S. Condi in 2008

Iceman · Post by **Iceman** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 8:27 am

Tetrad wrote:
woodchip wrote:
Avder wrote:Oh shut up.
Vader, I wish she would too.
Yes because voicing displeasure at the way things are going is Un American.

In this case she is voicing displeasure out of one side of her face and trying to benefit from it politically from the other side of her face.

Tetrad · Post by **Tetrad** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 12:23 pm

All politicos do that. I don't see what's wrong with trying to get the backing of people who agree with her.

Tyranny · Post by **Tyranny** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:17 pm

BD, thx for putting words in my mouth.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:31 pm

Tyranny wrote:BD, thx for putting words in my mouth.

No no, don't misunderstand me. I know you're not saying my generation is too narrow to elect a black woman, I think I understood you to say my generation is too narrow to elect a black woman.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding. Anyway, I didn't mean to offend.

BD

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:55 pm

Don't worry Bold, Ty needs a good smack upside his punkin haid to wake his sorry behind up.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 12:32 am

Bold Deceiver wrote:Might make him Vice-President, if she puts him on the ticket. How does that make you feel?

The question is, even if she wanted to, could she constitutionally make Bill her vice-president? We all know the constitutional limit on terms, up to ten years if succeeding a President who dies, resigns, or is removed from office. Obviously, the question of this has never come up, but, since Bill has already served two full terms, would he be constitutionally able to serve in a position where he might have to serve for another three or four years? Adding to that is the whole complication of the idea of a husband-wife President/Vice-President. Security-wise, you could have major issues, not to mention the personal interaction. Think about this: if the President were to be killed, would the Vice-President be mentally competent to run the country? I know the Bill/Hillary situation is just hypothetical, but I think these are questions that should be addressed. Maybe this could be grounds for a constitutional amendment. Personally, I don't think a husband-wife combination could be nominated by either party, not to mention voted in by the general populace. Having a husband-wife pair as prez/VP sounds a little too much like "royal line of succession" to these ears, and we Americans don't exactly miss the absence of a royal family.

fliptw · Post by **fliptw** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:27 am

last time I checked, a Person can serve a Maximum of 8 years as president - Amendment 22.

If anyone in the line of succesion is inellgible to become president(ie the VP isn't 43, or a natural born citizen) it passes on to the next in line, which currently is the Speaker of the House - Presidential Succession Act of 1947.

Bill can be VP, and can be Acting President as per Amendment 25, but not succed her as President.

Its doubtful he'd be nominated as VP anyways.

DCrazy · Post by **DCrazy** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:02 am

TG's right, there should definitely be bloodline restrictions on pres/VP, but then again the 12th amendment says that a Hillary/Bill ticket couldn't receive the New York electoral votes unless one of them moved out of state:

Congress wrote: The Electors shall meet in their respective states and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves...

This almost nabbed Cheney in 2000.

Top Gun · Post by **Top Gun** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 1:54 pm

That's right, DC; I forgot about that provision. However, I don't think that Bill and Hillary would have too much of a problem with living in different states.

fliptw, the normal limit is two terms/eight years, but, if a VP succeeds a president who resigns/dies/is removed from office with fewer than two years remaining in the term, he can go on to serve two other full terms, for a total of ten years. It hasn't happened yet, but it could.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:41 pm

I'm sure if Hillary got elected and Bill tagged along, the first thing she would do is hire straight male interns.

Testiculese · Post by **Testiculese** » Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:35 pm

Yep, 'cause it's her turn to play in the Oval Office..or an intern to play in hers..

I will laugh my ass off if the Clintons are Prez and Vice Prez.