What a headline...not that any major outlet will ever run it

[CUDA]

that's because congress stole that money to pay for other things. just like they will with the Demcare funds in a few years.

[callmeslick]

I skipped over that section because the power to act on the public debt is in Congressional reps alone not the president. Obama and his advisers have consistently rejected using the amendment to justify raising the debt ceiling without Congressional support. Not only that the 14th Amendment just requires him to pay the interest and principal on Treasury Notes, Bills and Bonds before anything else should there be insufficient funds to cover it all.

you are correct. My point is that Congress is the one bordering on unconstitutional practice here, not the President.

[callmeslick]

that's because congress stole that money to pay for other things. just like they will with the Demcare funds in a few years.

what 'Demcare funds' are you prattling on about? Oh, and how about the trillion or two that got pissed away in two futile wars? Or the extra deficit that was created by a tax cut for the wealthy? The point is, all those things were decisions long since made by Congresses past, and the blatant attempt to slash any semblence of a social safety net or a host of other beneficial things for the average American in the interest of the Koch Brothers and a handful of other puppetmasters is both counter to the intent of the Constitution, and the will of the People as a whole. It will fail, but it will suck for a while until it does.

[Tunnelcat]

Yep. The Koch Brothers Hegemony beget, funded, planned and instigated the whole government shutdown nightmare for their own gain using the tea party as warriors, ever since Obama started his second term. What the Plutocrats want, the Plutocrats get.

http://radio.foxnews.com/2013/10/06/gov ... koch-bros/

[callmeslick]

restore the 90% top rate on income tax for all earnings over $5 mil. That should suit the Koch Boys just fine!!

[Tunnelcat]

I heard that the Koch Bros. deem themselves so altruistic that they dropped $20 million big ones and funded a children's day care at MIT. Hmmmm, I guess all those government funded children's programs that the government shutdown is now impacting are evil and undeserving.

Welcome to the new normal, The Koch Empire, or as we will come to know it, The United States of Koch. You must submit. Thank you to the tea party.

http://www.wbur.org/2012/07/03/koch-brothers

[callmeslick]

I'll bet my bottom dollar the Brothers are playing a hedge against a possible default. That's the part a lot of folks won't acknowledge. Every 'crisis' that drops the stock market causes more of the money to funnel into a small percentage of hands after the dust settles. The Great Depression did so, the last Recession did so(90 percent of all the profits of the rebound have gone to 7% of the population). A default or at least a threat of one could be another chance for the rich to get richer.
I'm unsure which way to go......I've sold a lot of stock in the past two weeks or so, but far from all of it. I am holding the most cash in the portfolio that I've had since March 2009. This crap has me nervous. The sad part is that I KNOW a lot of my fellow citizens don't have the luxury of just moving money or investments around, can't live without credit or borrowing(mortgages), and are about to get killed, financially.

[callmeslick]

a hilarious, and all-too-accurate analogy:
http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/ ... -playoffs/


oh, and this morning's Gallup poll has Congressional approval at 5%. To put that in perspective, they rank as less well-though-of than jury duty and hemorrhoids.

[Spidey]

Wow, hemorrhoids have 6% support.

[callmeslick]

astounding, huh? I have yet to meet anyone who held them in a positive light, either......

[woodchip]

Annnnnd...Obama is down to 37% in Gallup poll

[Will Robinson]

astounding, huh? I have yet to meet anyone who held them in a positive light, either......

I'd rather have a hemorrhoid than keep a single member of Congress in office another minute.

[callmeslick]

Annnnnd...Obama is down to 37% in Gallup poll

today's math quiz:

37 minus 5 makes a positive gap of what?

[callmeslick]

astounding, huh? I have yet to meet anyone who held them in a positive light, either......

I'd rather have a hemorrhoid than keep a single member of Congress in office another minute.

apparently, you are trending with Gallup
by the way, I left out witches, which apparently garner around 7% support.

[woodchip]

Annnnnd...Obama is down to 37% in Gallup poll

today's math quiz:

37 minus 5 makes a positive gap of what?

So this is the new math at work eh. Nice try.

[CUDA]

Annnnnd...Obama is down to 37% in Gallup poll

today's math quiz:

37 minus 5 makes a ?

A VERY unpopular president that's what, and puts him right at GW's polls number average for his second term. I'm sure thats just gonna KILL TC when she finds that out

[callmeslick]

and Congress, as Rep Grayson got ruled out of order for noting, has a number akin to that of dog poop.........

[Tunnelcat]

The Koch Brothers back in 2012. Lots of money to fuel their political causes:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/ ... on-in-2012

The Koch Brothers NOW, and they say that they were just advocating to groups that just happened to be FOR the government shutdown:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/k ... -obamacare

Sure, and I've got a bridge to sell you. Somebody's getting nervous.

[Tunnelcat]

Annnnnd...Obama is down to 37% in Gallup poll

today's math quiz:

37 minus 5 makes a ?

A VERY unpopular president that's what, and puts him right at GW's polls number average for his second term. I'm sure thats just gonna KILL TC when she finds that out

No, Obama has made a few of his own mistakes, namely waffling when he should have kicked butt. Can't grant him immunity on that point.

But woody and CUDA, Republicans are now LOWER in popularity than when they impeached Bill Clinton. A record new low!

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165317/repub ... d-low.aspx

[callmeslick]

sad that this is the case, but the best presentation I saw(between baseball and Duck Dynasty) last night on TV came from Jon Stewart. First, he showed clips of the various GOP Congressweasels stating how the shutdown was really the fault of Obama and/or Reid. Then, he shows the clip(worth finding, for any of you) of Boehner from over last weekend(I missed it originally, as I was still down south chasing Red Drum). In that interview, Boehner was clear that a 6 month CR deal had been worked out, negotiated and agreed to between him and Reid back in JULY!!!! Boehner then goes on to explain that, "when I took it back to my caucus, they insisted on a repeal of ObamaCare". Thus, he had to renege. So, to review, there WERE negotiations. The was an agreement(with a budget number far closer to the GOP figure than to White House request) and the GOP House was SOLELY to blame for that agreement falling apart.

Thus, as Stewart wryly noted, we have the 'Party of Personal Responsibility' seemingly unable to take responsibility for one of the biggest things in the nation's history......or as he put it, "If you're going to insist on farting, quit blaming the dog"