[Split] On perceptions in Russia

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:04 pm

sigma wrote:
Isaac wrote:Sigma, what would happen to Russia if being gay was accepted by everyone in Russia. What problem would arise as a direct result of gay acceptance? I just want to understand why you're opposed to gays being more accepted in Russia, because there must be a direct problem you're trying to avoid, correct?
Listen, Isaac. I'll give you advice. If you will are in Russia, never talk on the street is that you are talking about here. At best, you are looked upon as a very mentally ill person. In the worst case, you will be severely beaten up by passers-by.

wow, this reads like a tourist brochure. Russia, a little bit of the 16th century, preserved for all to see!

Heretic · Post by **Heretic** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:21 pm

Come to Russia. Where you can be beating into pulp for believing something,

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:21 pm

Oooooh! Back to the time of Peter the Great.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:24 pm

sigma wrote:
Isaac wrote:Sigma, what would happen to Russia if being gay was accepted by everyone in Russia. What problem would arise as a direct result of gay acceptance? I just want to understand why you're opposed to gays being more accepted in Russia, because there must be a direct problem you're trying to avoid, correct?
Listen, Isaac. I'll give you advice. If you will are in Russia, never talk on the street is that you are talking about here. At best, you are looked upon as a very mentally ill person. In the worst case, you will be severely beaten up by passers-by.

I didn't think you would be able to answer my question. The reason is, there wouldn't be a single problem if gays were accepted by the Russian public. That's why you can't name one.

Admit it. You can't name a single problem, can you? Come on, I dare you. Give me one. You can even give me an illogical one. Any one reason. Go ahead.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:31 pm

but, Isaac, on the other hand, you could be beaten by a crazed mob of Russians for asking the question. What does that say?

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:33 pm

WOW seriously?
I'm sure they will beat you up if you dont follow the party line too. Thats probablyywhy sigma is posting as he does probably afraid of getting his ass beat by his government.
Nice to see your country never got past Stalin.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:15 pm

callmeslick wrote:but, Isaac, on the other hand, you could be beaten by a crazed mob of Russians for asking the question. What does that say?

If I can be abstract for a second:

You must fit inside the perfect Russian mold. And to be against the mold is to be against Russia. Sigma and true Russians are superior in fitting in the tight and perfect Russian mold and they have the right to be proud of how much more skilled they are at fitting in it than Americans. And laugh at how terribly Americans fit the Russian mold. They judge each other on how well they fit it. And yet they find us confused about not recognizing their pride in their molds, their ability to live in their molds, and beauty of their molds. Someone should remind them, Americans have the freedom to make whatever mold that matches their personality; there are as many American molds are there are Americans.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 5:34 pm

well put.

flip · Post by **flip** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 8:49 pm

I just wonder how facked up this world would be if everyone was gay. LOL, I don't care if someone is gay or not, but any imagination I have of a gay world just does not look good

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:41 pm

Why, you just have no imagination. It would be so.....GAY! And think, our overpopulation problems would be solved overnight!

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:51 pm

flip wrote:I just wonder how facked up this world would be if everyone was gay. LOL, I don't care if someone is gay or not, but any imagination I have of a gay world just does not look good

I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body

Tunnelcat · Post by **Tunnelcat** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 10:58 pm

That must mean you're a..........mandyke!

vision · Post by **vision** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:29 am

flip wrote:I just wonder how facked up this world would be if everyone was gay.

If everyone was gay no one would notice. Too many people are stuck on this "you're either gay or not" trip. Sexuality is a continuum, it's not binary.

CUDA wrote:I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body

Among the many factors contributing to homosexuality, there are brain structures that point to orientation. Heterosexual men and lesbian women share a more similar brain structure than hetero women and gay men. It is so prominent that researchers can usually tell a person's sexual orientation just by looking at their brains.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:40 am

Isaac wrote:
callmeslick wrote:but, Isaac, on the other hand, you could be beaten by a crazed mob of Russians for asking the question. What does that say?
If I can be abstract for a second:

You must fit inside the perfect Russian mold. And to be against the mold is to be against Russia. Sigma and true Russians are superior in fitting in the tight and perfect Russian mold and they have the right to be proud of how much more skilled they are at fitting in it than Americans. And laugh at how terribly Americans fit the Russian mold. They judge each other on how well they fit it. And yet they find us confused about not recognizing their pride in their molds, their ability to live in their molds, and beauty of their molds. Someone should remind them, Americans have the freedom to make whatever mold that matches their personality; there are as many American molds are there are Americans.

haha ! You're right. But, forget your American habits if you are in Russia . If only American or Englishman only thinks that he can behave like at home , nothing good for him it 's over. Absolutely all foreigners in Russia behave too careful , they will think many times before you say something , even for the taxi driver . And they are right . Because in the Russian American freedom means absolutely nothing. Be careful , my friends. Most Russian hate the arrogance of the Americans, the British and the Germans against the Russian . Almost anyone here can even kill you for your arrogance.

callmeslick, you should not try to insult our national identity. Speech and actions of American politicians from the point of view of the majority of Russian look very primitive and stupid. But we do not insult them, nonetheless.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:49 am

flip wrote:I just wonder how facked up this world would be if everyone was gay. LOL, I don't care if someone is gay or not, but any imagination I have of a gay world just does not look good

I want to shake hands with you, buddy!

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:07 am

CUDA wrote:
flip wrote:I just wonder how facked up this world would be if everyone was gay. LOL, I don't care if someone is gay or not, but any imagination I have of a gay world just does not look good
I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body

ewww, the mental image.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:10 am

sigma wrote:callmeslick, you should not try to insult our national identity. Speech and actions of American politicians from the point of view of the majority of Russian look very primitive and stupid. But we do not insult them, nonetheless.

if you are presuming yourself to reflect your 'national identity', I was not insulting it. I was stating the obvious. You are molded by fear of the different, fear of the unknown, and essentially allowing ignorance to determine your character.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:28 am

callmeslick wrote:
sigma wrote:callmeslick, you should not try to insult our national identity. Speech and actions of American politicians from the point of view of the majority of Russian look very primitive and stupid. But we do not insult them, nonetheless.
if you are presuming yourself to reflect your 'national identity', I was not insulting it. I was stating the obvious. You are molded by fear of the different, fear of the unknown, and essentially allowing ignorance to determine your character.

In my opinion you are using a studied inadequately and terms. Where is the fear and ignorance? I'm not sure that you understand the meaning of these words. In the event that you understand the meaning of these words, your speech becomes even more bizarre. Yesterday you completed courses Neuro-linguistic programming?

Congratulations!

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:31 am

Sigma, I changed out the word "Russia" and "America" in your post. This is how you look to me:

sigma wrote: haha ! You're right. But, forget your free habits if you don't live in my prison . Only birds or free people can behave free in secret, or else nothing good for him; it's over. Absolutely all foreigners in my prison behave too careful , they will think many times before you say something , even for the servants in the prison . And they are right . Because inside the prison, freedom means absolutely nothing. Be careful , my friends. Most prisoners hate the arrogance of the birds, deer, and anything else that lives free, which is against the prison way. Almost anyone here can even kill you for your arrogance.

callmeslick, you should not try to insult our pirison. Speech and actions of free people's politicians, from (our) point of view of the majority of us prisoners, look very primitive and stupid. But we do not insult them, nonetheless, except just now, when I insulted them.

Does that put things in perspective, Sigma?

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 6:56 am

sigma wrote:
In my opinion you are using a studied inadequately and terms. Where is the fear and ignorance? I'm not sure that you understand the meaning of these words. In the event that you understand the meaning of these words, your speech becomes even more bizarre. Yesterday you completed courses Neuro-linguistic programming? Congratulations!

I need no special educational training to read the words you have contributed to your thread and observe:
1. you don't know anything about homosexuals, but view them as strange
2. you know nothing about folks with black skin, but view them as strange
3. you claim that 'strange' people have to be careful in Russia
4. you claim that discussing your clear fear-based classification of 'strange' people will get a person beaten in Russia
5. you claim that this status quo is somehow preferable or even superior to the acceptance shown by other nations.

Your words. Your claims about your 'national identity'. Like I mockingly noted, you paint a picture of Russia that is anything but inviting. I am glad you enjoy it there, and find it comfortable. Where I take issue is when you suggest(here's where the nationalistic part comes in) that Russia has anything of substance to contribute to mankind, the UN or anything else outside your tight cocoon of your own creation. Until you become more accepting and tolerant, you do not. Period.

p.s.--it was pointed out to you, and perhaps you didn't get it, that many of the things Russia HAS historically contributed, were created by some of those types of folks you describe as 'strange'. And, I might add, much of it was contributed to the larger world ONLY by those folks escaping, or having their works escape, the tightly limiting 'Russian society' you describe.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:12 am

Isaac wrote:Sigma, I changed out the word "Russia" and "America" in your post. This is how you look to me:

sigma wrote: haha ! You're right. But, forget your free habits if you don't live in my prison . Only birds or free people can behave free in secret, or else nothing good for him; it's over. Absolutely all foreigners in my prison behave too careful , they will think many times before you say something , even for the servants in the prison . And they are right . Because inside the prison, freedom means absolutely nothing. Be careful , my friends. Most prisoners hate the arrogance of the birds, deer, and anything else that lives free, which is against the prison way. Almost anyone here can even kill you for your arrogance.

callmeslick, you should not try to insult our pirison. Speech and actions of free people's politicians, from (our) point of view of the majority of us prisoners, look very primitive and stupid. But we do not insult them, nonetheless, except just now, when I insulted them.
Does that put things in perspective, Sigma?

LOL. You are right in many ways. The survival of the people in Russia is as extreme as the Russian climate. But, no matter what good intentions did not pursue the United States to Russia, everyone here knows what goals they are actually persecuted.
P.S. I'm still interested to see your references to the good works of American art, which you talked about.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:26 am

I'll beat Isaac to the punch on the Art thing, and refer you to:

The Ashcan school of representative painting.
The Abstract Expressionist painters(interestingly, a movement fueled by widespread immigration and diversity of thought)
Pop Art,conceptual art, performance art, hyperrealistic art, minimalism and a few other modern art movements.
John Cage, Merce Cunningham,Martha Graham, Leonard Bernstein, and Hip-hop. I lump these together to show the extreme diversity of American musical and dance expression.
Jazz Music(the quintessential American musical form), once again the product of cultural melding of 'strange' people.
John Steinbeck, Tennessee Williams, William Faulkner, Walt Whitman, and Hunter Thompson(more vast diversity of written expression).
that is but a small sample, but suffice it to say, America has been the focus of the Arts for 75 years or so, taking over from Paris as the creative hub. We made these contributions, in no small part, precisely because we, as a society, embrace immigrants, outsiders and 'strange' people, and appreciate the things they add to our cultural mix.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:35 am

callmeslick wrote:
sigma wrote:
In my opinion you are using a studied inadequately and terms. Where is the fear and ignorance? I'm not sure that you understand the meaning of these words. In the event that you understand the meaning of these words, your speech becomes even more bizarre. Yesterday you completed courses Neuro-linguistic programming? Congratulations!
I need no special educational training to read the words you have contributed to your thread and observe:
1. you don't know anything about homosexuals, but view them as strange
2. you know nothing about folks with black skin, but view them as strange
3. you claim that 'strange' people have to be careful in Russia
4. you claim that discussing your clear fear-based classification of 'strange' people will get a person beaten in Russia
5. you claim that this status quo is somehow preferable or even superior to the acceptance shown by other nations.

Your words. Your claims about your 'national identity'. Like I mockingly noted, you paint a picture of Russia that is anything but inviting. I am glad you enjoy it there, and find it comfortable. Where I take issue is when you suggest(here's where the nationalistic part comes in) that Russia has anything of substance to contribute to mankind, the UN or anything else outside your tight cocoon of your own creation. Until you become more accepting and tolerant, you do not. Period.

p.s.--it was pointed out to you, and perhaps you didn't get it, that many of the things Russia HAS historically contributed, were created by some of those types of folks you describe as 'strange'. And, I might add, much of it was contributed to the larger world ONLY by those folks escaping, or having their works escape, the tightly limiting 'Russian society' you describe.

We are starting to go in a circle. If the Russian wants to be an American, he would go to America. If an American wants to be a Russian, he would go to Russia. Every person on the planet has the right to choose where to live. The U.S. has its own advantages, Russia has its advantages. Any aggressive U.S. intervention and the Russian tradition, usually causes rejection and reciprocal aggression. Russia - this is not the European Union, this is not Vietnam and Latin America. USA playing with fire here. I have said a hundred times that.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 7:43 am

sigma wrote:We are starting to go in a circle. If the Russian wants to be an American, he would go to America. If an American wants to be a Russian, he would go to Russia. Every person on the planet has the right to choose where to live. The U.S. has its own advantages, Russia has its advantages. Any aggressive U.S. intervention and the Russian tradition, usually causes rejection and reciprocal aggression. Russia - this is not the European Union, this is not Vietnam and Latin America. USA playing with fire here. I have said a hundred times that.

the US is doing nothing to Russia, unless expecting the mimimal tolerance of gays at Worldwide sports events or calling for the right of journalists to work without being threatened is somehow viewed as 'aggressive intervention'. You state that the US is playing with fire? How so? Russia needs US currency and investment, and the US really doesn't have much need for Russia at all. What threat could you all be, past your aging fleet of nuclear missles and a military that fails regularly(sinking subs, food shortages,etc)? Seriously, you overestimate your own significance on the world stage.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 9:35 am

Sigma, I want to be clear. The Russian government and the Russian people are not the same thing. I criticize your government and not your great country. Let me emphasize, I really respect your national pride and get annoyed at those that don't have any. Texans have lots of pride. You never have to ask if someone's from Texas, because a Texan will tell you anyway. So love your flag, love your people, and love your land, but never love the fuckers in office.

Check out some of these:
"Snowden not here" http://i.imgur.com/8rTmUtF.png
"I still like you" http://i.imgur.com/HSLD2qH.png
"Don't rush me" http://i.imgur.com/qaqquZX.png
"Drinking buddy" http://i.imgur.com/PM12BPu.png
"★■◆● you russia" (profanity warning) http://i.imgur.com/BRW3B.png

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 10:13 am

callmeslick wrote:
sigma wrote:
In my opinion you are using a studied inadequately and terms. Where is the fear and ignorance? I'm not sure that you understand the meaning of these words. In the event that you understand the meaning of these words, your speech becomes even more bizarre. Yesterday you completed courses Neuro-linguistic programming? Congratulations!
I need no special educational training to read the words you have contributed to your thread and observe:
1. you don't know anything about homosexuals, but view them as strange
2. you know nothing about folks with black skin, but view them as strange
3. you claim that 'strange' people have to be careful in Russia
4. you claim that discussing your clear fear-based classification of 'strange' people will get a person beaten in Russia
5. you claim that this status quo is somehow preferable or even superior to the acceptance shown by other nations.

Your words. Your claims about your 'national identity'. Like I mockingly noted, you paint a picture of Russia that is anything but inviting. I am glad you enjoy it there, and find it comfortable. Where I take issue is when you suggest(here's where the nationalistic part comes in) that Russia has anything of substance to contribute to mankind, the UN or anything else outside your tight cocoon of your own creation. Until you become more accepting and tolerant, you do not. Period.

p.s.--it was pointed out to you, and perhaps you didn't get it, that many of the things Russia HAS historically contributed, were created by some of those types of folks you describe as 'strange'. And, I might add, much of it was contributed to the larger world ONLY by those folks escaping, or having their works escape, the tightly limiting 'Russian society' you describe.

Way to sum it up and conclude. Coudln't have said it better.
/thread

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:09 pm

callmeslick wrote:I'll beat Isaac to the punch on the Art thing, and refer you to:

The Ashcan school of representative painting.
The Abstract Expressionist painters(interestingly, a movement fueled by widespread immigration and diversity of thought)
Pop Art,conceptual art, performance art, hyperrealistic art, minimalism and a few other modern art movements.
John Cage, Merce Cunningham,Martha Graham, Leonard Bernstein, and Hip-hop. I lump these together to show the extreme diversity of American musical and dance expression.
Jazz Music(the quintessential American musical form), once again the product of cultural melding of 'strange' people.
John Steinbeck, Tennessee Williams, William Faulkner, Walt Whitman, and Hunter Thompson(more vast diversity of written expression).
that is but a small sample, but suffice it to say, America has been the focus of the Arts for 75 years or so, taking over from Paris as the creative hub. We made these contributions, in no small part, precisely because we, as a society, embrace immigrants, outsiders and 'strange' people, and appreciate the things they add to our cultural mix.

I can't express now my opinion concerning creativity of these people. I need some time. I can say that I did not even know about the existence of these authors. I have already downloaded the audiobooks of American writers, of whom you spoke, and I will listen to them in the Moscow traffic jams. Thank you, callmeslick!

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:14 pm

Isaac wrote:Sigma, I want to be clear. The Russian government and the Russian people are not the same thing. I criticize your government and not your great country. Let me emphasize, I really respect your national pride and get annoyed at those that don't have any. Texans have lots of pride. You never have to ask if someone's from Texas, because a Texan will tell you anyway. So love your flag, love your people, and love your land, but never love the **** in office.

Check out some of these:
"Snowden not here" http://i.imgur.com/8rTmUtF.png
"I still like you" http://i.imgur.com/HSLD2qH.png
"Don't rush me" http://i.imgur.com/qaqquZX.png
"Drinking buddy" http://i.imgur.com/PM12BPu.png
"**** you russia" (profanity warning) http://i.imgur.com/BRW3B.png

I agree with you. I respect the American people, but American politicians are too often lately say very strange things. I doubt that they are completely healthy sometimes.

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:31 pm

politicians everywhere say strange things.......

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:43 pm

sigma wrote:
Isaac wrote:Sigma, what would happen to Russia if being gay was accepted by everyone in Russia. What problem would arise as a direct result of gay acceptance? I just want to understand why you're opposed to gays being more accepted in Russia, because there must be a direct problem you're trying to avoid, correct?
Listen, Isaac. I'll give you advice. If you will are in Russia, never talk on the street is that you are talking about here. At best, you are looked upon as a very mentally ill person. In the worst case, you will be severely beaten up by passers-by.

I'm emailing this to the Travelocity Gnome.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 2:46 pm

haha. he never even tried to answer my question...

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:06 pm

CUDA wrote:WOW seriously?
I'm sure they will beat you up if you dont follow the party line too. Thats probablyywhy sigma is posting as he does probably afraid of getting his ass beat by his government.
Nice to see your country never got past Stalin.

You know, there is a very interesting feature . On the one hand, if I gather a lot of people who support me against the unjust actions of the authorities , I am as an ordinary citizen can change federal law . Or create a new law . It will be adopted during the month. The Russian government knows this, and they are very afraid of the people's wrath . The sides of the other , if the discontent of the people will not be sufficient for me zavedut criminal case under false pretenses , and I will die in prison after a lot of humiliation and torture. It seems to me that in this respect the U.S. is not much different from Russia .

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 4:20 pm

Isaac wrote:haha. he never even tried to answer my question...

I do not know how else to explain to you who is gay in Russia. Homosexuality is here - it's like incest or pedophilia, or drug dealer. In other words, it is a moral monster. Cast Away. Such people in our society scorned. Down syndrome or Imbecile, crazy people here is more sympathetic than the blue guy. Blue is not touched, because they are not aggressive. Otherwise, all blue here would have been killed long ago.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 5:12 pm

sigma wrote:
Isaac wrote:haha. he never even tried to answer my question...
I do not know how else to explain to you who is gay in Russia. Homosexuality is here - it's like incest or pedophilia, or drug dealer. In other words, it is a moral monster. Cast Away. Such people in our society scorned. Down syndrome or Imbecile, crazy people here is more sympathetic than the blue guy. Blue is not touched, because they are not aggressive. Otherwise, all blue here would have been killed long ago.

This view is more correct than the views which prevail most vocally and publicly in America. Anymore, the prevailing views of Americans are foolish, backwards, and destructive. Perhaps it's just that the American people in general are not wise enough to safely wield the intellectual tools which they would use to build and advance the world around them. Another way to put it may be that America is a prideful culture which seeks to know a good deal more than it understands.

EDIT: I guess that last part could hardly be applied to the country as a whole. I know quite a few people, who IMO really do define America because of their obvious contributions to their community, and they are people of good sense. The problem is that the wrong sorts of people always seem to be a lot more ambitious...

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:50 pm

Thorne. Sigma.

I've met and known quite a few homosexuals in Austin. Here's the worst things I can say about them. The guys were all picky opinionated argumentative hipsters. The one lesbians liked to drink, smoke, and fight with each other.

Anyone that puts them up there with pedophiles has real sheltered view of world. Thorne, if you think that it's foolish to view gays as normal people, I'd highly advise you to step outside once in a while. Sigma has no choice but to be forced into his perspective. It's the law in his country. You, Thorn, however, have no excuse.

CUDA · Post by **CUDA** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 5:18 am

Upon the rise of Adolf Hitler, gay men and, to a lesser extent, lesbians, were two of the numerous groups targeted by the Nazi Party and were ultimately among Holocaust victims. Beginning in 1933, gay organizations were banned, scholarly books about homosexuality, and sexuality in general, wereburned, and homosexuals within the Nazi Party itself were murdered. TheGestapo compiled lists of homosexuals, who were compelled to sexually conform to the "German norm."

Between 1933 and 1945, an estimated 100,000 men were arrested as homosexuals, of whom some 50,000 were officially sentenced.[1] Most of these men served time in regular prisons, and an estimated 5,000 to 15,000 of those sentenced were incarcerated in Nazi concentration camps

seems like Russia might have something in common with an old enemy

Yes in know. Godwin.

sigma · Post by **sigma** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:33 am

Whether Putin is gay? LOL.
In my opinion, you are overtired Isaac. You need more rest.
P.S. Do us all a favor. Go to Alaska. Enjoy the fresh air. Sit around the campfire at night, kill there a couple of wolves and bears. Or just take a trip to the sea. You will become much easier, believe me.

Sergeant Thorne · Post by **Sergeant Thorne** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:34 am

Isaac wrote:Thorne. Sigma.

I've met and known quite a few homosexuals in Austin. Here's the worst things I can say about them. The guys were all picky opinionated argumentative hipsters. The one lesbians liked to drink, smoke, and fight with each other.

Anyone that puts them up there with pedophiles has real sheltered view of world. Thorne, if you think that it's foolish to view gays as normal people, I'd highly advise you to step outside once in a while. Sigma has no choice but to be forced into his perspective. It's the law in his country. You, Thorn, however, have no excuse.

I don't need anyone telling me to "step outside". This is not a sheltered opinion. The way of things in our society seems to be that anything you can become accustomed to in a spirit of mooringless/limitless compromise is "ok". The truth is that is not at all the basis for classical, civilized society. I know what Gays are, I also know they are people. They are no more normal than pedophiles. Some people argue that pedophilia is different because it pertains to minors... but legality is not truly pertinent in that discussion. Being attracted to children is not that far of a stretch from being attracted to the same sex instead of the opposite sex. The main difference is that we are being acclimated to one and not to the other (so far).

callmeslick · Post by **callmeslick** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:55 am

Sergeant Thorne wrote:I don't need anyone telling me to "step outside". This is not a sheltered opinion.

oh, yes,it is......well, if not 'sheltered', then very, very narrow-minded.

I know what Gays are, I also know they are people. They are no more normal than pedophiles.

both statistically, and morally, this is ignorant as heck.

I know, Thorne, no matter how many times it is pointed out to you, you won't accept the fact, but, homosexuality is and has been a significant segment of the normal human population since time immemorial. I suppose, in a stretch, with a much smaller percentage, one COULD say the same about attraction to children. The distinctions between the two is that the behavior in the latter case is not a mutual or equal relationship, as the children involved are the targets of attention they neither sought nor desired. Thus, my comment about the moral inequivalence. To say that 'civilized' societies have always viewed homosexuality a certain way either seeks to limit your definition of 'civilized', or ignores history, as that has not been universally the case.

Isaac · Post by **Isaac** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:56 am

sigma wrote:P.S. Do us all a favor. Go to Alaska. Enjoy the fresh air. Sit around the campfire at night, kill there a couple of wolves and bears. Or just take a trip to the sea. You will become much easier, believe me.

I'd die in cold weather. I freeze to death in 50 degrees F.

Sergeant Thorne wrote: I know what Gays are, I also know they are people. They are no more normal than pedophiles.

Now I'd answer you with a straight answer, please do me the same favor.
Would you be happy if the United States started arresting people for being openly gay and promoting gay rights?