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Define "fairness"

woodchip wrote:Define "fairness"

hell, stuff like eliminating breaks for outsourcing domestic labor to overseas, massive tax breaks to oil companies, agricultural business subsidies to wealthy landowners, stuff like that. I really didn't think anything specific when I wrote the bit above, as it would be my suspicion(based on past performance) that you wouldn't be happy with ANY suggestions Obama made regarding taxes. I could be, and hope I would be, wrong......

Those are cherry-picked to be things that any conservative would stand behind, but this administration does not do things like that unless it's a gimme in part of a bigger scheme that you know damn well conservatives don't agree with. Stop shooting ink clouds--stop disseminating popular party misinformation.

Sergeant Thorne wrote:Those are cherry-picked to be things that any conservative would stand behind, but this administration does not do things like that unless it's a gimme in part of a bigger scheme that you know damn well conservatives don't agree with. Stop shooting ink clouds--stop disseminating popular party misinformation.

speaking of which, you addressed the point we were exchanging above, how? Merely pooh-poohing my points and suggesting a larger scheme doesn't address the fact that many folks on the right(and the extreme left) simply reject anything from Obama without consideration. I disseminate nothing on behalf of a political party, btw, my thoughts are solely my own, so try not to imply otherwise, Thorne.

callmeslick wrote: hell, stuff like eliminating breaks for outsourcing domestic labor to overseas,

Corporations are not given a tax break to ship jobs off shore. They are not taxed on the income they make offshore as long as the income is kept off the American side books. Don't forget though that the foreign country where they set up shop taxes them.

callmeslick wrote:

Sergeant Thorne wrote:Those are cherry-picked to be things that any conservative would stand behind, but this administration does not do things like that unless it's a gimme in part of a bigger scheme that you know damn well conservatives don't agree with. Stop shooting ink clouds--stop disseminating popular party misinformation.

speaking of which, you addressed the point we were exchanging above, how?

By saying you were cherry-picking in an attempt to lull your opponents into letting their guard down before the battle is finished? Which is deceptive.

callmeslick wrote:Merely pooh-poohing my points and suggesting a larger scheme doesn't address the fact that many folks on the right(and the extreme left) simply reject anything from Obama without consideration.

I accept this "fact" as being similar in weight to the "economy" excuse given by business owners. You don't really have anything to support it, it's just that it's a high probability in your mind. It's a possibility in my mind, I just don't claim to know how wide-spread it is. Sometimes the way things are just doesn't allow for an "all things being equal" determination of people's motives. If that statement is unclear, I'll give you an example from my work: friends of mine at work had taken to labeling me as anal by nature, but I pointed out that I am relatively easy-going, it's just that my standards are so much higher than those at my place of work (or actually the standards at work are so much lower) that it's the only part of me they were ever seeing. If management took it upon themselves to maintain certain basic standards, I'd just be part of the team. Similarly if Obama took it upon himself to approach the presidency as more than a card-carrying Democrat, owing idealogical and political debts to the party, or maybe other debts to the real powers-that-be, I might have a very different outlook on his policies, and I think the same could be said of an awful lot of people. He's part of the problem, I guarantee it, so there's little use in called out the other part as being to blame.

callmeslick wrote:I disseminate nothing on behalf of a political party, btw, my thoughts are solely my own, so try not to imply otherwise, Thorne.

I don't believe that. Anytime you accept something and pass it on without thoroughly understanding it, it is potentially irresponsible. I've seen more than your fair share from you.