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Good, because they were just as unpleasant to listen to in the first place.

In other news, Jon Stewart wins. Again.

You didn't get it, you placed words in my mouth I didn't utter. Now your trolling with your latest comment.

Get a haircut and get a real job
Clean your act up and dont be a slob
Get it together like your big brother Bob
Why dont you, get a haircut and get a real job.

While you're at it move out yo Mamas house ya dead beat.

Heretic wrote:You didn't get it, you placed words in my mouth I didn't utter. Now your trolling with your latest comment.

Get a haircut and get a real job
Clean your act up and dont be a slob
Get it together like your big brother Bob
Why dont you, get a haircut and get a real job.

While you're at it move out yo Mamas house ya dead beat.

Wow, an accusation of trolling followed by... trolling.

You got it man. I can troll with the best of them. To interpret what someone said so that the words mean what they want and not what the speaker wanted is trolling. This isn't the first time he has put words in to others mouthes. You should see what he tried with the Traveler. It won't be the last. Why don't ask him where he lives. What kind of job he has. Why he thinks he is to good for manual labor. People like him is why they have illegals doing jobs Americans like him don't want to do. If you had been around longer than you have you would know what I said means.

He'd probably be chuckling at it as much as I am, at any rate.

Okay, then, let's try this a different way. Here's the words you said, as opposed to my \"interpretation\" of them:

So you know each and every one of those Muslims personally? You also know what is each of their hearts and minds? You know for a fact they haven't given money to terrorist? I submit you know nothing of the fact.

I can't even really figure out why those sorts of questions would come into your head like that. I mean, it reeks of paranoia. Why can't these people just be ordinary American citizens, like the vast majority of Muslims living in this country? Why does that cloud of suspicion have to be created in the first place?

The statement you made about knowing is the the reasoning behind the questions. Remember the hard part here the QUESTIONS not STATEMENTS. I never made a statement, except the one where I state, \"you know nothing of the fact\". You can never know what is the hearts and minds of any one on this planet. To say you know is to say you don't know. There is no paranoia just a statement you can't possibly know those Muslims. You had made no \"interpretation\" you made a statement of FACT. \"I know that these Muslims had nothing to do with the 9/11 attack\" I highly doubt you were on the investigating team on the 9/11 attacks nor a member of the 9/11 commission. So I ask again how do you know these Muslims? Do you also know what is in each of their hearts and minds? You know for a fact they haven't given money to terrorist?

One more question do you know what assumption means?

\"An assumption is a proposition that is taken for granted, as if it were true based upon presupposition without preponderance of the facts.\"

I know that there's absolutely no credible evidence linking anyone in this organization with terrorist groups, so yes, I do know something. I also know that the burden of proof shouldn't be on them to bend over backwards to clear their names. So knowing those things, why should I feel the need to delve deeply into each of these people's minds to root out their private feelings on any and all topics relating to Islamic terrorism?

Top Gun wrote:I know that there's absolutely no credible evidence linking anyone in this organization with terrorist groups, so yes, I do know something. I also know that the burden of proof shouldn't be on them to bend over backwards to clear their names. So knowing those things, why should I feel the need to delve deeply into each of these people's minds to root out their private feelings on any and all topics relating to Islamic terrorism?

well, you know what they say.. you can't prove a negative.

there's good reason why they say that. Because asking someone to prove a negative is a logical fallacy, and heretic is guilty of pulling one.

Yes in American you are innocent until proven guilty. Thats why people are arrested and put in jail before their trial. Because they are innocent until proven guilty.

Again you are making an assumption that you are privy to any and all investigations that may or may not be going on. So again you don't know if there is or isn't any credible evidence linking this organization to terrorist group.

As for burden of proof. This can shift between parties over the course of issue placing evidential burden upon the opposing party to present evidence to refute the presumption.

You still don't know as much as you think you know.

LOL ferno Fact is he can't prove his argument about what he knows it is fuel by assumptions. Assumptions are not facts that he claims to know.

And you're wearing your tinfoil hat far too tightly. I'm not even sure where you were going with the jail comment. Suspects are put in jail...because they're assumed to be guilty? Is that what you're implying?

Makes me wonder if there's a word for this display that nails it like \"homophobia\", \"racism\", or \"anti-semitism\" do. Have to check it out, \"bigot\" doesn't seem strong enough.

I so I call into question that he can't possibly \"Know\" something and you want to label me. Nice. Now he could of said \"I think\" instead \"I know\" Isn't nice how liberals fall back on labeling a person?

You disappoint me Grendel.

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dont sweat it Heretic. when a libs find they cant add anything to an arguement they always resort to the label card. it helps them justify not facing facts and having an actual debate.

back on topic: the Muslims have the right to build the Mosque.
but that doesnt make it right for them to build it.

I find it ironic that we are being told by all the lefties to be tolerant of the Muslim and let them build this mosque 500 ft from one of the most horrific acts against this country in our history. while at the same time. I'm wondering why the Muslims aren't held to those same standards of being tolerant to
1. the country's lingering pain over 9/11 and
2. the families of the 3000 people that died at that location.

Build your Mosque. you have that right. but build it somewhere else, that would be right.

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i still fail to understand why morality and \"rightness\" are relevant to this discussion

I was listening to the Mosque people saying Americans were mad over the NYC Mosque because they didn't understand the Muslim religion. I wanted to say, you don't understand the issue then; you don't make rape jokes to a rape victim (just an example) and you don't put a Muslim monument next to the cheap-shot Muslim attack site. Also, if these Mosque people really REALLY wanted regular people to like Muslims they would be less critical about our understanding of them and focus their understanding on us. Something tells me they think it's funny, what they're doing. They're not earning any points with me. That's for sure.

null0010 wrote:i still fail to understand why morality and "rightness" are relevant to this discussion

its called having character.

Bet51987 wrote:

CUDA wrote:dont sweat it Heretic. when a libs find they cant add anything to an arguement they always resort to the label card. it helps them justify not facing facts and having an actual debate.

back on topic: the Muslims have the right to build the Mosque.
but that doesnt make it right for them to build it.

I find it ironic that we are being told by all the lefties to be tolerant of the Muslim and let them build this mosque 500 ft from one of the most horrific acts against this country in our history. while at the same time. I'm wondering why the Muslims aren't held to those same standards of being tolerant to
1. the country's lingering pain over 9/11 and
2. the families of the 3000 people that died at that location.

Build your Mosque. you have that right. but build it somewhere else, that would be right.

Funny how you carefully blend the Muslims right to build a mosque where they have a permit, with your disgust of the liberals reminding you of it.

Bee

answer the question Bee dont be a coward.

not to mention you conviently ignored that FACT that I said they have a right, but that would have gotten in your way of your lame attempt of poking me in the eye.

oh and FYI liberals disgust me regularly. point in case, this is just another reason.

as for the Muslims they are just making a poor choice if the want us to think differently about them. because of their un wavering stance on this issue they just re-afirm that they hate and do not respect what this country and its people are about.

Bee, how about we allow the Westboro Church to Purchase property and fund new churches next to every abortion clinic in the country. would that be OK with you???

low blow cuda and not even necessary.

Heretic wrote:LOL ferno Fact is he can't prove his argument about what he knows it is fuel by assumptions. Assumptions are not facts that he claims to know.

and you're asking him to prove a negative. you'd know that if you read the link I provided... but you haven't. So if anyone's using assumptions here, it's you.

there's a difference between asking someone to prove a negative, and disproving someone's claim. but i'll leave that for later.

Ferno wrote:low blow cuda and not even necessary.

It was very necessary and not low at all, and BTW, The so called count of a few Muslims that are terrorists - They make up entire country's from the middle east all the way down to Indonesia, Wake up and listen to them. This is a direct insult and we are to bleepin stupid to even see it.

CUDA wrote:Bee, how about we allow the Westboro Church to Purchase property and fund new churches next to every abortion clinic in the country. would that be OK with you???

If they've purchased it legally and the land is zoned for a church, why not?

It'd probably prompt them to perform more illegal acts, so we'd be rid of them faster, anyways.

As an aside, I never thought I'd live to see a day when the bootstrappy conservative right appealed to political correctness like a bunch of sensitive liberal leftists.

null0010 wrote:As an aside, I never thought I'd live to see a day when the bootstrappy conservative right appealed to political correctness like a bunch of sensitive liberal leftists.

Conservatives generally have moralistic (ethical) ideals in my country, the United States.

Ferno wrote:low blow cuda and not even necessary.

REALLY. I think thats exactly what the people of NY and the Families of those killed are saying.

null0010 wrote:As an aside, I never thought I'd live to see a day when the bootstrappy conservative right appealed to political correctness like a bunch of sensitive liberal leftists.

It's more like the sensitive liberal's are getting cozy with the right because O-bam-bam screwed them.

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Cuda68 wrote:

null0010 wrote:As an aside, I never thought I'd live to see a day when the bootstrappy conservative right appealed to political correctness like a bunch of sensitive liberal leftists.

It's more like the sensitive liberal's are getting cozy with the right because O-bam-bam screwed them.

Why not just go all the way and call him "President Balrog Sombrero Hotpocket Fartbongo" ?

I'd vote for that guy.

null0010 wrote:

Cuda68 wrote:

null0010 wrote:As an aside, I never thought I'd live to see a day when the bootstrappy conservative right appealed to political correctness like a bunch of sensitive liberal leftists.

It's more like the sensitive liberal's are getting cozy with the right because O-bam-bam screwed them.

Why not just go all the way and call him "President Balrog Sombrero Hotpocket Fartbongo" ?

Now that was pretty snappy

Cuda68 wrote:

Ferno wrote:low blow cuda and not even necessary.

It was very necessary and not low at all, and BTW, The so called count of a few Muslims that are terrorists - They make up entire country's from the middle east all the way down to Indonesia, Wake up and listen to them. This is a direct insult and we are to bleepin stupid to even see it.

re-read your westbro baptist church bit and then tell me it's necessary.

REALLY. I think thats exactly what the people of NY and the Families of those killed are saying.

pfft. appeal to emotion. weak.

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe the westbro church has not killed anyone yet or declared war on this nation. While there agenda is outrages and provocative it remains peaceful. So if your going to toss them up as any type of an argument maybe you should re-read your data on them. While the Muslim faith has killed many people and have declared was on us and continue to preach hate and death toward us. So just what exactly is your point.

Bet51987 wrote:

oh and FYI liberals disgust me regularly. point in case, this is just another reason.

What reason? That they're reminding you of the constitution?


Bee

Best laugh of the day. Thanks Bee!


Read up

The Weekly Standard wrote: What Liberals Want
A progressive conference on the Constitution sheds light on the real stakes involved with the judiciary.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 4hndlw.asp

I picked this from what AD posted…

“The touchstone is Franklin Roosevelt's \"Second Bill of Rights,\" which would recognize a right to \"a useful and remunerative job\"; sufficient earnings to provide \"adequate\" food, clothing, and recreation; a \"decent\" home; a \"good education\"; and \"adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.\"

Remember every entitlement comes with a obligation.

So the question becomes…who will be obligated to provide those jobs?

N/M off topic

Cuda68 wrote:While the Muslim faith has killed many people and have declared was on us and continue to preach hate and death toward us.

click to enlarge

I don't know who drew your pretty pie chart, but it is way off. They have several country's chock full of them from the middle east down to Indonesia and through Africa.

null it would be stupid to imply that al Queda is the only dangerous faction within the Muslim world.
And as has been brought up before, the status quo of tacitly supporting the radicals among their ranks is a unique problem as well. When you see the vast coverage of Islam through the world, as Cuda68 points out and your chart helps to illustrate the large number of followers, and you then factor in that preponderance to sustain the radicals through their traditions and reluctance to stand up against them....well, the insidious nature of the problem is only made more obvious by your chart.

So thanks for helping in spite of your misleading intentions!

I wrote:

Ferno wrote:low blow cuda and not even necessary.

REALLY. I think thats exactly what the people of NY and the Families of those killed are saying

it seems to me you're the one who got all emotional in the first place.

Ferno wrote:pfft. appeal to emotion. weak.

so I ask who's the weak one

Bee I'll respond when I have more time. @ work and its kickin my Arse today

Will Robinson wrote:null it would be stupid to imply that al Queda is the only dangerous faction within the Muslim world.

There are many factions in Islam and not all of them are "dangerous." Most of them are not "dangerous." What would you have moderate muslims do? Bomb Iran with private money?

null0010 wrote:

Will Robinson wrote:null it would be stupid to imply that al Queda is the only dangerous faction within the Muslim world.

There are many factions in Islam and not all of them are "dangerous." Most of them are not "dangerous." What would you have moderate muslims do? Bomb Iran with private money?

Where do learn this stuff? Can you provide some sort of factual reference for this?