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Posted: **Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:32 pm**

Sorry, Diedel, but I think that thruster flame is *UGLY*:

Posted: **Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:31 pm**

Escorter wrote:Sorry, Diedel, but I think that thruster flame is *UGLY*:

they look much better than that with my computer (although, they seem to be in the center of the screen, instead of down a little more, where the engines are.

But anyways, still slow as hell, even with the smallest amount of smoke around :/

Posted: **Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:12 pm**

Escorter wrote:Sorry, Diedel, but I think that thruster flame is *UGLY*:

#1 Your version #? (I kill you if it's not v1.5.171!!!)

#2 You can always turn them off.

#3 You never seem them anyway.

Posted: **Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:07 pm**

#1 Believe it or not, it's 1.5.171

#2 O rly?

#3

Posted: **Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:44 pm**

Get your image editor and make me a better one.

Posted: **Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:01 pm**

Diedel,

v.170-.172: there seemes to be trouble with the zoom for the cannons. I have smooth zoom set and when I press the button, it starts to zoom and then snaps back.

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:20 am**

Diedel wrote:Get your image editor and make me a better one.

...

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:29 am**

Weyrman wrote:Diedel,

v.170-.172: there seemes to be trouble with the zoom for the cannons. I have smooth zoom set and when I press the button, it starts to zoom and then snaps back.

Maybe keyboard ramping? I set mine at 0%.

Speaking of....

Diedel, each time I start D2x, it doesn't remember my keyboard ramping setting.

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:31 am**

Zoom fixed.

Cannot reproduce ramping not being re/stored.

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:24 pm**

1) Smoke still slows down FPS to a crawl, even after using the new command line switches. I definitely know it's the smoke causing problems, because disabling the smoke make the game play smoothly

2) The thruster flames can be seen when moving backwards (again?)

3) with the smoke, I don't think a robot leaves a puff of smoke when they are destroyed anymore...

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:55 pm**

The smoke looks great! Good job, Diedel!

@Kirby
I'm having the same problems with smoke, but only if I enable smoking robots in render options. You should disable it.

@Diedel
I tried the high resolution textures of Novacron, however see no difference at all (even on lava textures). I put the switch -hires_textures in d2x.ini and the textures in a sub-folder Textures in my D2 installation directory. Version is 1.5.173.

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:14 pm**

Just wanted to confirm holbred's comment, I installed novacron's textures into the textures folder and added the switch and see no difference on lights, the door, or anything else. It is still using the defualt textures, no matter where I put the files or whether I specify that switch.

Smoke still is not working on my system; thus far I don't have any further details that I think would help. Anybody got any ideas for me to test (other than extracting the smoke images and putting them in various folders?)

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 2:07 pm**

holbred wrote:@Kirby
I'm having the same problems with smoke, but only if I enable smoking robots in render options. You should disable it.

negative

also: I don't think damage explosions on robots work anymore

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:17 pm**

Smoke works for me with all variety of settings.

Hires textures work for me, too.

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 5:54 pm**

I am making a level with moving colored lights, but when I play the level in D2X-XL, it immediately crashes right when I get to the room with moving colored lights.

Is it possible to fix this?

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:56 pm**

If you send me the level ...

Btw, I played that other new level of yours, liked it very much. Just didn't find out how to access the central area.

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 8:50 pm**

Out of respect to Diebel and the work of the rest of the team, I read all 57 pages prior to posting this.

I am having an application crash \"The Instruction at \"0x00487077\" referenced memory at \"0x002f4000\" Could not be read \"
when using the following command line (or any command line for that matter):

G:\\DESCENT2\\d2x-xl -debug-printlog

I do not even get one line of output, it crashed right away.

I even tried SDL 1.2.9 dll, but it made no differences, I can play other OpenGL/DirectX/SDL games such as UQM and ScummVM no problems.
Windows 2000, SP4, Direct X 9.0c Nvidia Geforce 3 ti 64MB, driver version 8.1.9.8 (81.98 bundle)

I tried running a DLL dependency walker, no dll missing.

Using 1.5.173 zip which contained 1.5.71.0 versioned exe

I do no have any older version to try, but would love a debug build or a way to troubleshoot further.

Strace log output appended below

My installed files:

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G:\\descent2\\Data
G:\\descent2\\Config
G:\\descent2\\Savegames
G:\\descent2\\Profiles
G:\\descent2\\Missions
G:\\descent2\\Movies
G:\\descent2\\d2x_xl_readme.txt
G:\\descent2\\d2xtracker.pl
G:\\descent2\\d2x-xl.exe
G:\\descent2\\d2x-xl-w32-1.5.173.zip
G:\\descent2\\descent.tex.eng
G:\\descent2\\descent.tex.ger
G:\\descent2\\filelst.txt
G:\\descent2\\d2x-w32.ico
G:\\descent2\\Copy of SDL.dll
G:\\descent2\\debug.cmd
G:\\descent2\\descent.cfg
G:\\descent2\\SDL.dll
G:\\descent2\\SDL_mixer.dll
G:\\descent2\\Shortcut to d2x-xl.exe.lnk
G:\\descent2\\Config\\d2x.ini
G:\\descent2\\Data\\ALIEN2.PIG
G:\\descent2\\Data\\d2x-xl.hog
G:\\descent2\\Data\\DESCENT2.HAM
G:\\descent2\\Data\\DESCENT2.HOG
G:\\descent2\\Data\\ALIEN1.PIG
G:\\descent2\\Data\\DESCENT2.S11
G:\\descent2\\Data\\DESCENT2.S22
G:\\descent2\\Data\\FIRE.PIG
G:\\descent2\\Data\\GROUPA.PIG
G:\\descent2\\Data\\HOARD.HAM
G:\\descent2\\Data\\ICE.PIG
G:\\descent2\\Data\\WATER.PIG
G:\\descent2\\Missions\\D2-2PLYR.MN2
G:\\descent2\\Missions\\D2CHAOS.HOG
G:\\descent2\\Missions\\D2-2PLYR.HOG
G:\\descent2\\Missions\\D2CHAOS.MN2
G:\\descent2\\Missions\\D2X.HOG
G:\\descent2\\Missions\\D2X.MN2
G:\\descent2\\Missions\\PANIC.HOG
G:\\descent2\\Missions\\PANIC.MN2
G:\\descent2\\Movies\\D2X-L.MVL
G:\\descent2\\Movies\\INTRO-H.MVL
G:\\descent2\\Movies\\D2X-H.MVL
G:\\descent2\\Movies\\INTRO-L.MVL
G:\\descent2\\Movies\\OTHER-H.MVL
G:\\descent2\\Movies\\OTHER-L.MVL
G:\\descent2\\Movies\\ROBOTS-H.MVL
G:\\descent2\\Movies\\ROBOTS-L.MVL
G:\\descent2\\Profiles\\Zefrench.plr

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[T440] LeaveCriticalSection(352868, 12f934, 7800b36d, 19, ...) = 0
[T440] CompareStringW(0, 0, 78032274, 1, ...) = 2
[T440] MultiByteToWideChar(4e4, 9, 352da8, 8, ...) = 8
[T440] MultiByteToWideChar(4e4, 1, 352da8, 8, ...) = 8
[T440] MultiByteToWideChar(4e4, 9, 536884, 8, ...) = 8
[T440] MultiByteToWideChar(4e4, 1, 536884, 8, ...) = 8
[T440] CompareStringW(0, 1, 12f8b0, 8, ...) = 3
[T440] GetLastError(8, 352b4c, 78013e4f, 12f98c, ...) = 0
[T440] TlsGetValue(0, 8, 352b4c, 78013e4f, ...) = 351ea0
[T440] SetLastError(0, 8, 352b4c, 78013e4f, ...) = 7ffde000
[T440] MultiByteToWideChar(4e4, 9, 353268, 8, ...) = 8
[T440] MultiByteToWideChar(4e4, 1, 353268, 8, ...) = 8
[T440] MultiByteToWideChar(4e4, 9, 536884, 8, ...) = 8
[T440] MultiByteToWideChar(4e4, 1, 536884, 8, ...) = 8
[T440] CompareStringW(0, 1, 12f8b0, 8, ...) = 3
[T440] LeaveCriticalSection(352608, 12f98c, 7801392e, c, ...) = 0
Exception = c0000005, Address = 487077 (first-chance!)
[T440] GetLastError(52e678, 0, 7800c049, 0, ...) = 0
[T440] TlsGetValue(0, 52e678, 0, 7800c049, ...) = 351ea0
[T440] SetLastError(0, 52e678, 0, 7800c049, ...) = 7ffde000
[T440] UnhandledExceptionFilter(12f5e8, 0, 12ffb0, c0000005, ...) = 0
Exception = c0000005, Address = 487077 (second-chance!)
Target process has been terminated. Exit Code = 128.

Posted: **Sat Mar 18, 2006 11:28 pm**

3 Things.

1) I download version .173 but D2x still says it version .172?

Diedel wrote:Cannot reproduce ramping not being re/stored.

2) Then why is it everytime I start the game it still shows to be at 50% when I set it to 0%?

3) The textures - How clean or clear are they ment to look in D2x?
If its ment to look as clean or clear as this:

Then it doesn't look anywhere near that in my D2x.

My setting are as high as it can go. So what is wrong here?

All I can say is I have a fresh install or D2 and a new player file. Added all my switches to the ini file and did my config setting in D2x.
What more is there to do?

System Specs:
P4 3.2GHz w/HT 800FBS
1G DDR
BFG 6800 Ultra 256MB AGP - 81.98 Drivers
WinXP Pro SP2 - Up to Date

D2x.ini file:
;-fullscreen
-grabmouse
-sound22k
;-nocdrom
-render_quality 3
-gl_alttexmerge
-playermessages
-noredundancy
-nomovies 1
-gl_reticle 0
-shortpackets
-pps 10
-player AusRED5
-1024x768
-render2texture 1
-menustyle 1
-fastmenus 1
-sdl_mixer 0
-use_d1sounds 0
-hires_textures
-point_sprites
-vertex_arrays

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:57 am**

Hi-Res textures doesn't work for me also.

Ah, and i discovered a little problem:

Skybox segments aren't visible through walls (cloaked or closed transparent ones).

Here, i have a screenshot:

This can be fixed, or it's due to limitations in render engine?

I hope it is fixable, 'cause i want to see Skybox segments through transparent walls

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:41 am**

A weird texture bug i encountered after playing the first few D1 missions. I have hires textures enabled ( and they don't work).

Also there is no smoke. Even with the new command-line settings.

my ini file:

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-fullscreen
-grabmouse
-sound22k
;-nocdrom
-render_quality 3
-gl_alttexmerge
-playermessages
-noredundancy
-nomovies 1
-gl_reticle 0
-shortpackets
-pps 10
-player ixa
;-640x480
-render2texture 1
-menustyle 1
-fastmenus 1
-sdl_mixer 0
-use_d1sounds 1
-altbg_name menubg.tga
-altbg_brightness 1.0
-altbg_alpha -1.0
-altbg_grayscale 0
-point_sprites
-vertex_arrays
-hires_textures

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:23 am**

D'oh - hires textures does indeed not seem to work in the release version.

Pumo,

did you check 'render entire mine' in the render options menu?

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:31 am**

SMOKE!! That screen is awesome, except for the lack of High-res textures... Well, this rules out my theory that the inability to see smoke was somehow tied to the inability to view highres textures... I want smoke, derned it!!

My system is almost Identical to AUS-RED-5's, Except I am using a GeForce 6600 256MB, and my CPU is only 3.0GHz. Could it be a conflict with the GeForce 6XXX series cards / Nvidia drivers (81.98)

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 11:22 am**

I don't think it has to do with the gfx card. Actually, smoke is only a lot of small, black bitmaps (textures) rendered in close vicinity. The screenie shows the ship when it's almost destroyed, so there's a lot of black smoke.

You want smoke with hires textures (now working in v1.5.174, btw, get it now!)?

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 12:52 pm**

'Render entire mine' is checked.

I've done many tests, with and without the 'Render Entire Mine' checked, but it looks the same, Skybox can't be seen through walls anyway.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:11 pm**

I was off for quite a while (last version tried 1.5.98, I gave up and hoped for the bugs to disappear on their own).

But with 1.5.174:
How heavy is the D2 ship now???
Where is the movement power? I never has such a \"heavy\" feeling with the ship when accelerating, turning, rolling with the keyboard, it is simply not original. I hit the key, wait 1/4th second 'til the ship starts moving. Did we switch from normal fuel to diesel fuel?

Most other strangeness I had with .98 are gone now. I'll have to play a while to find new ones.

I like the (switchable) improvement in mouse steering, a \"Terminal Velocity\" like control, altough not original Descent, I can turn very fast now.
And thanks for adding 2048x1536 resolutions, my preffered for \"older\" 3D games (zdoom as another example), still not anlialiased (although the options in nvidia panel is set to 4x).

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:20 pm**

setsun, turn off keyboard ramping in the controls config menu.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 5:16 pm**

Or turn it down. I have mine set at about 10%, and only for throttle controls. No complaints.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:21 pm**

Hires textures still don't work for me, even though I have it enabled in the ini.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:30 pm**

Double check that you spelled the switch right in the ini, and that you have listed a valid path to the textures folder -- if it has any spaces you probably need quotes around the path... ex) \"D:\\D2X-XL\\Textures\\Novacron's Sample Pack\"

That was part of my problem, anyway. I fixed a couple typos and the lights, grates, and a door all look awesome now. Can't wait for the full package.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:42 pm**

Nope. No good.

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:53 pm**

I have to say that the new darker smoke is fudgy as hell :/

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:50 pm**

You need to put the textures in a sub folder 'textures' of your D2 main installation folder - no other location is possible! And regard that the zip already contains that folder, so unzipping it using the 'user folder names' option will put the textures in .\\textures\\TEXTURES' and that does not work!

What is 'fudgy'? Fake? Not convincing?

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 7:55 pm**

So why does the -hires_textures switch include a DIR parameter??

D2X Switches and Commands list wrote:-hires_textures <dir> Use high resolution textures <dir>

, I'm confused. I THOUGHT I had it working on my other folder path, but it turns out that I didn't delete the ones in the TEXTURES folder... So I have no Idea what's going on. It works for me, I don't know why, and I don't care... It works.

Except smoke. Still can't get the darned smoke to work. I'll fudge around with my folders and files a bit. Maybe It can't find the smoke textures in D2x-xl.hog for some ood reason...

Posted: **Sun Mar 19, 2006 10:55 pm**

I too am having problem getting D2X to recognize the hi res textures. I placed Novacron's textures into a folder called \"textures.\" The exact location is H:\\Descent_D2X-XL\\textures.

Diedel, could you please specify the exact syntax needed for the hires_texture switch command?

Posted: **Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:02 am**

'-hires_textures' or '-hires_textures 1'.

Posted: **Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:22 am**

Diedel wrote:What is 'fudgy'? Fake? Not convincing?

ugly

BTW....the smoke color you have in 175....perfect!!!! Have it grey when your ship is fine, and have it turn more black when the ship has serious damage to it

also, check the inventory icons: there are 2 afterburner icons

Posted: **Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:03 am**

Kirby wrote:also, check the inventory icons: there are 2 afterburner icons

Not again!

Edit: I have fixed that and re-uploaded the win version. Get it and just extract d2x-xl.hog.

Phoenix,

I have no clue why smoke doesn't work for you. There's no higher gfx magic behind it - it simply dumps a heck of a lot of small bitmaps on the screen. No shaders, no advanced gimmicks. You can try '-point_sprites 1 -vertex_arrays 1' to add some magic, maybe that helps?

Posted: **Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:31 am**

also....the left and right cockpit windows seem to overlap each other in the center

Posted: **Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:32 am**

I've got a strange problem in multiplayer games (UDP w/o tracker):
whenever one is killed and respawned the controls turn wild. One little touch to the mouse (I also tried blowing ^^) and the ship makes more than 10 revolutions! And if one presses either accelerate, backwards or slide keys the ship explodes (!) on the opposite wall.
As you can imagine Anarchy can't be played that way

Version is 1.5.175 (Problem has existed at least since 173) and it affects also any other player.

I get the same trouble, if I leave a multiplayer game and start another one or in single player mode. Here the controls turn wild, too (even w/o dying).

The only way (known to me) to get normality back is to quit the application and restart.

In single player mode (when not tried multiplayer before) the problem doesn't exist.

Posted: **Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:53 am**

Kirby wrote:also....the left and right cockpit windows seem to overlap each other in the center

OMG - of course they do if you turn them both on and set their position to the center!

Jay,

that's some cheat protection code, you ...!

j/k, it's buggy.

Fix is underway.

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