Re: 640 Million
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 8:26 am
I will agree, but I would respectfully point out the IRS (and yes this administrations) blatant attacks on the Teaparty, as a predominant reason that the Teaparty support is dwindling.
maybe where you live, but in this state(Delaware) it is ENTIRELY due to the Christine O'Donnell fiasco, and the folks I've talked to down South seem to have come to the realization that the movement is destructive of the nation and the GOP, both. Neither of them would seem to have a damn thing to do with the IRS, the administration, etc. For instance, what role did the IRS have in the recent debacle which brought the nation to the brink of financial disaster and put a bunch of people on furlough for 3 weeks? What did the administration have to do with Tea Party zealots taking over GOP primaries and leading to losses at the polls?CUDA wrote:I will agree, but I would respectfully point out the IRS (and yes this administrations) blatant attacks on the Teaparty, as a predominant reason that the Teaparty support is dwindling.
There, I fixed it for you to make it much more acurate. Nothing the Tea Party has done has caused any destruction to the nation.callmeslick wrote:... and the folks I've talked to down South seem to have come to the realization that the movement is destructive to the status quo and the GOP in particular, both. ...
lower taxes. Social security, while capped to salary levels for some workers, is also taxed for those of us who hire landscapers, domestic help, etc.. For an extremely wealthy person with, say, 50 people on staff, you can get to talking real money, if that individual is a cheapskate. From what I've ever read about the Koch family, with them it is more a matter of rejecting a government operated social safety net, on principle, more than to save money.Spidey wrote:Just why to hell would some super rich person want to get rid of social security….motive or no crime.
The NSA is also terrible. They failed to stop the Boston bombings. Can't really compare the two since the NSA has been around a long time and has a well developed infrastructure. And, the NSA is way more expensive. Healthcare.gov has allowed hundreds of thousands of people to use the site in just a few weeks. That's pretty good considering the complexity of the job. They aren't selling wingnuts you know.Will Robinson wrote:If Obama really wanted ACA to work he would have put the NSA in charge... The job they have done instead, with three+ years to build the system and hundreds of millions of dollars, is remarkably terrible!
Most of the wealthy people I know pay those people cash money or treat them as subcontractors and file 1099's at the end of the year.callmeslick wrote:lower taxes. Social security, while capped to salary levels for some workers, is also taxed for those of us who hire landscapers, domestic help, etc.. For an extremely wealthy person with, say, 50 people on staff, you can get to talking real money, if that individual is a cheapskate.Spidey wrote:Just why to hell would some super rich person want to get rid of social security….motive or no crime.
Perhaps you could link us to some non-biased sites where you get your info.callmeslick wrote:From what I've ever read about the Koch family, with them it is more a matter of rejecting a government operated social safety net, on principle, more than to save money.
Not Possible!woodchip wrote:Perhaps you could link us to some non-biased sites where you get your info.callmeslick wrote:From what I've ever read about the Koch family, with them it is more a matter of rejecting a government operated social safety net, on principle, more than to save money.
We will pretend a hundred thousand people in a few weeks is actually something to be happy with even though 3 times that lost coverage in just one day in just one state...vision wrote:The NSA is also terrible. They failed to stop the Boston bombings. Can't really compare the two since the NSA has been around a long time and has a well developed infrastructure. And, the NSA is way more expensive. Healthcare.gov has allowed hundreds of thousands of people to use the site in just a few weeks. That's pretty good considering the complexity of the job. They aren't selling wingnuts you know.Will Robinson wrote:If Obama really wanted ACA to work he would have put the NSA in charge... The job they have done instead, with three+ years to build the system and hundreds of millions of dollars, is remarkably terrible!
apparently, my family has a higher ethical standard. We paid one maid SS contributions for 26 years.woodchip wrote:Most of the wealthy people I know pay those people cash money or treat them as subcontractors and file 1099's at the end of the year.
the Florida numbers are bogus. Those policies are discontinued because they do not meet the minimal standards for coverage. In all cases there, the holders will be able to replace them with better policies at a lower overall cost with subsidies.CUDA wrote:looks like more people are losing their health-care then are signing up for Dem-care. 300,000 in Florida alone by year end. wonder how long it will take before the first law suits start happening by those that lost healthcare and needed it because of this law, and were not able to "purchase " it because of the administration miss-management of it
either you can't or didn't read the article. It cites, quite clearly, the editorials the grandfather wrote against SS, and further the efforts made by the younger generation to gut it.Spidey wrote:Not one word in that article on the brothers wanting to destroy SS, and from all of the running around I did yesterday, all I could nail down as “facts” were they are trying to raise the retirement age and cut some benefits. (or raise eligibility, or some such)
As far as I’m concerned, we do need to raise the retirement age, because we are living and working longer, and there is less than a handful of people working for every person receiving benefits.
I didn’t look into what kind of reduced benefits they were trying to get, because it took way to long just to get to one simple fact.
After going thru many websites last night, I have to say the left make Sean Hannity look like a piker. (regarding outright lies)
callmeslick wrote:the Florida numbers are bogus. Those policies are discontinued because they do not meet the minimal standards for coverage.CUDA wrote:looks like more people are losing their health-care then are signing up for Dem-care. 300,000 in Florida alone by year end. wonder how long it will take before the first law suits start happening by those that lost healthcare and needed it because of this law, and were not able to "purchase " it because of the administration miss-management of it
so those 300,000 people in Florida were lied to by some one. should we venture to guess who????The White House wrote:“We’ve got some good news for you. If you currently have private health insurance, you should be able to keep it, and that’s exactly what the health care law says. It’s not a question of opting out of health reform — the idea that individuals who like their insurance should keep it is a central part of the law.”
Prove it. because I don't think you canIn all cases there, the holders will be able to replace them with better policies at a lower overall cost with subsidies.
So all of us in Michigan whose plans were dropped by Blue Cross had inferior plans? And yeah if you qualify for subsidies but how about if you don't?callmeslick wrote:the Florida numbers are bogus. Those policies are discontinued because they do not meet the minimal standards for coverage. In all cases there, the holders will be able to replace them with better policies at a lower overall cost with subsidies.CUDA wrote:looks like more people are losing their health-care then are signing up for Dem-care. 300,000 in Florida alone by year end. wonder how long it will take before the first law suits start happening by those that lost healthcare and needed it because of this law, and were not able to "purchase " it because of the administration miss-management of it
Same here. You have a habit of making declarations without any support. Can you show us how you know, in all those cases, they can get a better policy at a better price from the new paradigm created by implementation of the ACA?CUDA wrote:...
Prove it. because I don't think you canslick-the-omniscient wrote: In all cases there, the holders will be able to replace them with better policies at a lower overall cost with subsidies.
SO what you're saying is that you have no clue and your making ★■◆● up to cover your earlier commentscallmeslick wrote:too early to get final prices for the replacement policies, but all the cancelled plans failed to cover mental health care, certain gynocological care items, and other minimal coverage. Let's wait to see how much people REALLY are paying for coverage before the regularly-scheduled panic mongering occurs. Given the generous subsidies, and expansion of Medicaid(which covers those minimal items), I highly doubt that ANYONE carrying such crap insurance won't be not only better off when coverage is needed, but paying less to boot.
my comments earlier were based on simple math, the rules and common sense. No links available to you for those.CUDA wrote:SO what you're saying is that you have no clue and your making **** up to cover your earlier commentscallmeslick wrote:too early to get final prices for the replacement policies, but all the cancelled plans failed to cover mental health care, certain gynocological care items, and other minimal coverage. Let's wait to see how much people REALLY are paying for coverage before the regularly-scheduled panic mongering occurs. Given the generous subsidies, and expansion of Medicaid(which covers those minimal items), I highly doubt that ANYONE carrying such crap insurance won't be not only better off when coverage is needed, but paying less to boot.
If it was common math that supports your claim and you also say we need to wait until the prices are available to see then just what the hell were the numbers in your simple math, where did they come from and please link them!callmeslick wrote:my comments earlier were based on simple math, the rules and common sense. No links available to you for those.CUDA wrote:SO what you're saying is that you have no clue and your making **** up to cover your earlier commentscallmeslick wrote:too early to get final prices for the replacement policies, but all the cancelled plans failed to cover mental health care, certain gynocological care items, and other minimal coverage. Let's wait to see how much people REALLY are paying for coverage before the regularly-scheduled panic mongering occurs. Given the generous subsidies, and expansion of Medicaid(which covers those minimal items), I highly doubt that ANYONE carrying such crap insurance won't be not only better off when coverage is needed, but paying less to boot.
ROFLOLWill Robinson wrote:If it was common math that supports your claim and you also say we need to wait until the prices are available to see then just what the hell were the numbers in your simple math, where did they come from and please link them!callmeslick wrote:my comments earlier were based on simple math, the rules and common sense. No links available to you for those.CUDA wrote:SO what you're saying is that you have no clue and your making **** up to cover your earlier commentscallmeslick wrote:too early to get final prices for the replacement policies, but all the cancelled plans failed to cover mental health care, certain gynocological care items, and other minimal coverage. Let's wait to see how much people REALLY are paying for coverage before the regularly-scheduled panic mongering occurs. Given the generous subsidies, and expansion of Medicaid(which covers those minimal items), I highly doubt that ANYONE carrying such crap insurance won't be not only better off when coverage is needed, but paying less to boot.
I think the url for that link is going to look something like: slicks.rectum/pulledfromthere.yuk
slick-the-omniscient wrote: In all cases there, the holders will be able to replace them with better policies at a lower overall cost with subsidies.