Re: 640 Million
Posted: Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:46 pm
I'll have to admit, that's pretty original.Will Robinson wrote:I think the url for that link is going to look something like: slicks.rectum/pulledfromthere.yuk
I'll have to admit, that's pretty original.Will Robinson wrote:I think the url for that link is going to look something like: slicks.rectum/pulledfromthere.yuk
According to the CBO, up to 20 million people could lose their health insurance because the plan they are currently happy with (and Obama repeatedly promised they could keep) has been made illegal under ObamaCare.
That was the sneaky gotcha that no one saw coming, although I had my suspicions 2 years ago and kept what I had. It turns out that if a person had made ANY changes to their plan, especially a change for a higher deductible, within the last 2 years, there was a 100% chance that they would've lost their insurance when the ACA was rolled out this year. I'm now willing to bet that within the next year, my present grandfathered plan will be dropped, because it is presently considerably cheaper than what I can get on the exchange, and I know my company likes to make more money off of me if they can. Like you say....."waaait for it".CUDA wrote:To add to my earlier point about the 300,000 from Florida.
According to the CBO, up to 20 million people could lose their health insurance because the plan they are currently happy with (and Obama repeatedly promised they could keep) has been made illegal under ObamaCare.
Waaait for it.
And the price was....?callmeslick wrote:well, gee-willikers! The Blue Cross rep was on Meet the Press and explained the 'cancellation' situation thusly: Cancellation notices, by law, have to be sent out when a policy contract is CHANGED, and no one who got those notices ever lost coverage. In the same notification packet, they were given up to 4 options as to which policy they chose to continue under, and at no time were cast out without coverage, nor were they going to lose coverage, unless THEY chose to stop. Another right-wing scare tactic debunked.
“The arithmetic is inescapable,” said Patrick Johnston, chief executive officer of the California Association of Health Plans. Costs must be spread, so while some consumers will see their premiums drop, others will pay more -- “no matter what people in Washington say.”
Health insurance experts say new prices will vary and much depends on where a person lives, their age and the type of policy they decide to buy. Some, including young people and those with skimpy or high-deductible plans, may see an increase. Others, including those with health problems or who buy coverage with higher deductibles than they have now, may see lower premiums.
Blue Shield of California sent roughly 119,000 cancellation notices out in mid-September, about 60 percent of its individual business. About two-thirds of those policyholders will see rate increases in their new policies, said spokesman Steve Shivinsky.
Like other insurers, the Blue Shield letters let customers know they have to make a decision by Dec. 31 or they will automatically be enrolled in a recommended plan.
GASP! A politician stretched the truth! ohnoes! We should probably abandon all our efforts to fix healthcare.Spidey wrote:Sure it’s a technical point…but still involves a lie.
"vision wrote:GASP! A politician stretched the truth! ohnoes! We should probably abandon all our efforts to fix healthcare.Spidey wrote:Sure it’s a technical point…but still involves a lie.
Here are the details that every American needs to know about this plan. First, if you are among the hundreds of millions of Americans who already have health insurance through your job, or Medicare, or Medicaid, or the VA, nothing in this plan will require you or your employer to change the coverage or the doctor you have. (Applause.) Let me repeat this: Nothing in our plan requires you to change what you have.
It's how everyone in this Congress gets affordable insurance. And it's time to give every American the same opportunity that we give ourselves.
First, I will not sign a plan that adds one dime to our deficits -- either now or in the future. (Applause.) I will not sign it if it adds one dime to the deficit, now or in the future, period. And to prove that I'm serious, there will be a provision in this plan that requires us to come forward with more spending cuts if the savings we promised don't materialize.
Just a stretch.Now, add it all up, and the plan I'm proposing will cost around $900 billion over 10 years -- less than we have spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, and less than the tax cuts for the wealthiest few Americans that Congress passed at the beginning of the previous administration.
Love this quote because they all opted out of the ACAIt's how everyone in this Congress gets affordable insurance. And it's time to give every American the same opportunity that we give ourselves.
No it was a lie.vision wrote:GASP! A politician stretched the truth! ohnoes! We should probably abandon all our efforts to fix healthcare.Spidey wrote:Sure it’s a technical point…but still involves a lie.
Fixing health care includes fixing health insurance because they are currently inseparable, which sucks. I would go a step further and cap malpractice damages while we are at it, since that all plays into the big picture. And Obama didn't lie to me. I got the keep my plan with no change to cost or coverage. But yeah, it's going to take a long time before we know how this will all play out.Spidey wrote:vision wrote:No it was a lie.
And no attempts have been made to fix “Healthcare” only Health Insurance, and the jury is gonna be out for a long time on that one.
And if you cannot afford to pay twice what you were before, you won't be cast out?callmeslick wrote:well, gee-willikers! The Blue Cross rep was on Meet the Press and explained the 'cancellation' situation thusly: Cancellation notices, by law, have to be sent out when a policy contract is CHANGED, and no one who got those notices ever lost coverage. In the same notification packet, they were given up to 4 options as to which policy they chose to continue under, and at no time were cast out without coverage, nor were they going to lose coverage, unless THEY chose to stop. Another right-wing scare tactic debunked.
Did you know that there are millions of people in this country that have insurance, and still go without care?vision wrote:Fixing health care includes fixing health insurance because they are currently inseparable, which sucks. I would go a step further and cap malpractice damages while we are at it, since that all plays into the big picture. And Obama didn't lie to me. I got the keep my plan with no change to cost or coverage. But yeah, it's going to take a long time before we know how this will all play out.Spidey wrote:vision wrote:No it was a lie.
And no attempts have been made to fix “Healthcare” only Health Insurance, and the jury is gonna be out for a long time on that one.
those words are anything but clear......immediate needs, for what? If you don't have the money for immediate needs vs future needs to the extent that the money you mentioned is an issue, you should be eligible for Medicaid in PA, which wouldn't have the co-pay or the deductables at all. Now, I know, at one time, Corbit was refusing to expand the Medicaid cap up to 38K for an individual, so if he didn't, you might not be eligible. At any rate, NOT carrying insurance is VERY foolish.Spidey wrote:I do not carry insurance right now because my immediate needs outweigh any possible future needs.
JEEZE...I thought I made that pretty clear.
that cash limit may still be in place, but you should qualify for really generous subsidies on the non-Medicaid plans.Top Gun wrote:As far as I know, Corbett just started looking into the Medicaid expansion a couple of weeks ago, so who knows when (or if) it'll actually happen. Medicaid was kind of a joke before this point: I tried to apply a year or two ago, and I was rejected because the most you were allowed to have in your combined bank accounts was all of $250. Which...yeah.
I'm already aware of that. They function almost identical to the CRA.Will Robinson wrote:Ferno, the taxes and fees the IRS is the authority over are for income from wages and other sources of wealth acquisition...gift, capital gains, etc. etc.
Internal Revenue Service, a federal agency that has nation wide authority. That is federal tax. The punishment is carried out by a federal authority.
Federal laws, yes.The FBI is a federal agency with the authority to enforce laws.
Only the laws they are empowered to enforceThe Postal Inspectors office is a federal agency with the authority to enforce laws.
Only federal finance and tax laws.The Treasury Department is a federal agency with the authority to enforce laws....etc. etc. etc. The list is long and they all have armed agents and they all can arrest you.
The IRS has the power to impose civil penalties, not criminal law. There is a difference.And, the IRS is a federal agency with the authority to enforce laws.
This would fall under a civil manner, not federal law.But stop dancing away from the points I raised.
Straight up, three main points:
*Do you believe, as I stated, the IRS can seize American citizens assets or property if they fail to pay their tax...federal tax...and the IRS has the authority to make that seizure without first prevailing in a court of law where the citizens have a chance to defend themselves?
Unless there is a clause inside the ACA that supports this, I find it rather suspect. And if there was such a clause, it would make global headlines.*Do you believe, as I stated, that the IRS is now the authority, as dictated in the ACA, to enforce the law and deliver the punishment if a citizen fails to comply with the federal governments rules as outlined in the ACA?
No, I find this to land right in the middle of a conspiracy theory.*Do you believe, as I stated, that the Supreme Court of the US has ruled that the penalty for not buying health care coverage as mandated by the ACA is a "tax, not a fine"?
This is coming from a person who believes (in the face of evidence to the contrary) that a government site is somehow immune from human error.Because those three things are the truth. They are written into the US federal law.
They are easy for you to check for yourself if you don't want to believe me.
They are not, however, disproved by your confusing a repossession at a state court level with the enforcement of a federal tax by the IRS. Or are you grasping at straws because you just simply are in denial?
Then I suppose the Attorney General has similar responsibilities as a CommissionerBy the way, what is taught in elementary school is that the Attorney General is the top policeman in the US. He works at the pleasure of the President and he is a political appointee. He is a member of the Presidents cabinet. He is very much the Federal "government" and he enforces the law every bit as much as a local policeman.
I don't believe this for a second.In fact he often tells the local police they have enforced it incorrectly and to stop doing it the way he doesn't like or else they risk his enforcing his authority over them!
The IRS's ability to seize property and assets is NOT a civil matter! If it was they would have to go to court BEFORE they call the bank and tell them to seal a citizens account.(CNN) -- In its ruling last week on the national health care law, the Supreme Court found that penalties the law places on people who don't buy health insurance count as a tax protected by the Constitution.
Read about it hereLevy
A levy is a legal seizure of your property to satisfy a tax debt. Levies are different from liens. A lien is a claim used as security for the tax debt, while a levy actually takes the property to satisfy the tax debt.
If you do not pay your taxes (or make arrangements to settle your debt), the IRS may seize and sell any type of real or personal property that you own or have an interest in. For instance,
We could seize and sell property that you hold (such as your car, boat, or house), or
We could levy property that is yours but is held by someone else (such as your wages, retirement accounts, dividends, bank accounts, licenses, rental income, accounts receivables, the cash loan value of your life insurance, or commissions).
We usually levy only after these three requirements are met:
We assessed the tax and sent you a Notice and Demand for Payment;
You neglected or refused to pay the tax; and
We sent you a Final Notice of Intent to Levy and Notice of Your Right to A Hearing (levy notice) at least 30 days before the levy. We may give you this notice in person, leave it at your home or your usual place of business, or send it to your last known address by certified or registered mail, return receipt requested. Please note: if we levy your state tax refund, you may receive a Notice of Levy on Your State Tax Refund, Notice of Your Right to Hearing after the levy.
If a levy on your wages, bank account or other property is causing a hardship you should:
Contact the IRS at the telephone number on the levy or correspondence immediately and explain your financial situation. Service is available from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. local time, Monday through Friday.
The way it works is all the working stiffs who earn a paycheck with taxes deducted from their wages will see the penalty taken from their paycheck!Unlike With Other Taxes, IRS Has Less Ability To Collect Penalty Payments2
“Section 5000A(g)(2) of the IRC limits the means the IRS may employ to collect the penalty established in the section. First, the taxpayer is protected from either criminal prosecution or penalty for failure to pay the penalty. Second, the IRS is prohibited from either filing a NFTL [notice of federal tax lien] or levying any property in an effort to collect the penalty.”
But IRS May Still Harass Americans, Impose Penalties, Charge Interest
“ There is no prohibition, however, on establishing a statutory lien against the taxpayer’s property under § 6321.
No additional limits are placed on the IRS using correspondence or phone calls, either through its own employees or through private collection agencies, in an effort to collect the amount owed. Additionally, no restriction was placed on the IRS’s ability to use the refund offset as a means of collecting the amount due. Those who are required to pay the penalty for failure to maintain minimum coverage but choose not to do so will be subject to increases in the amount owed due to interest and late payment penalties imposed on the penalty after it has been assessed by the IRS.
The IRS may impose interest on tax, including penalties, under § 6601(a), (e)(2), and it may impose penalties under § 6651(a)(3). A taxpayer who chooses not to pay the required penalty may ultimately forfeit more than the amount of the penalty if that taxpayer is ever in the position of having an overpayment to the IRS for any reason, since the refund offset applies not only to overpayments shown on original tax returns, but also to any subsequent adjustments, for example an audit by the IRS that results in an overpayment. Further, as explained above, it is possible that the IRS could present its claim when property is being sold and collect both the original penalty amount along with accrued interest and applicable penalties.
Millions of Americans Will Be Required to Give Personal Information To
The Secretary of HHS For Inclusion In A Federal Health Care Tax Database
“Among the information that is to be provided *to HHS+ is information regarding income and family size; the name, address, and employer identification number of the individual’s employer, if any; whether the individual is employed full time; whether the employer offers minimum essential coverage; and the cost of the cheapest health coverage options available from the employer and the employee’s required contribution.30”
so you're telling all of us, that the IRS now has the power of federal law enforcement, and it's now a criminal offense to not pay into ACA...The IRS's ability to seize property and assets is NOT a civil matter!
http://www.irs.gov/uac/Criminal-Enforcement-1Ferno wrote:The IRS has the power to impose civil penalties, not criminal law. There is a difference.
Im citing/linking federal law, mainstream media reports on Supreme Court rulings and US Federal Government/IRS web sites to supply you with the facts and you are relying on what exactly?!?Ferno wrote:so you're telling all of us, that the IRS now has the power of federal law enforcement, and it's now a criminal offense to not pay into ACA...The IRS's ability to seize property and assets is NOT a civil matter!
I'm sorry.. I can't talk to you anymore. you've either become high as a kite, gone full on retard, been hit in the head, or all three.
Then tell me that the IRS isn't federal...that they don't enforce federal law....etc.The investigation and prosecution of Chavez was conducted by IRS Criminal Investigation’s Los Angeles Field Office, in conjunction with the United States Attorney’s Office for the Central District of California.