A video for nOObs

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:27 pm

sad the community has went down this far, i would like to see one of you HONORABLE guys TRY to spawn kill me after i die

Zero! · Post by **Zero!** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:46 pm

WarAdvocat · Post by **WarAdvocat** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 4:48 pm

Been there, done that.

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 5:04 pm

Behemoth wrote:sad the community has went down this far, i would like to see one of you HONORABLE guys TRY to spawn kill me after i die

Alright let me load up on Smarts and MEgas and let's see waht youre made of, or in the right spot in the right level, IMs and Napalm rockets.

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:07 pm

d3jake wrote:
Behemoth wrote:sad the community has went down this far, i would like to see one of you HONORABLE guys TRY to spawn kill me after i die
Alright let me load up on Smarts and MEgas and let's see waht youre made of, or in the right spot in the right level, IMs and Napalm rockets.

make sure you load up on everything k?

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:27 pm

Behemoth wrote:i would like to see one of you HONORABLE guys TRY to spawn kill me after i die

We can't. Its against our honorable nature. However, if you specifically WANT us to, all you have to do is ask... and you will surely die.

Bee

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 6:48 pm

Bet51987 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:i would like to see one of you HONORABLE guys TRY to spawn kill me after i die
We can't. Its against our honorable nature. However, if you specifically WANT us to, all you have to do is ask... and you will surely die.

Bee

forgive me, but did i not just say come after me?

Kilarin · Post by **Kilarin** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:18 pm

d3jake wrote:Alright let me load up on Smarts and MEgas and let's see waht youre made of

Bettina wrote:all you have to do is ask... and you will surely die.

Good luck, and I would certainly enjoy watching that match. But I imagine Behemoth will be just as deadly spawning as at any other time.

Behemoth wrote:sad the community has went down this far

Behemoth, I've never seen you play any way that I wouldn't consider "honorable". I don't think the folks here are talking about anything outside the bare minimum of "try to play nice". And, as I have said several times, part of playing nice is not complaining if someone else doesn't have exactly the same rules of gaming conduct that you do.

I think it's much nicer NOT to typekill, but if I type, I have no right to complain if someone shoots me. I don't feel like encouraging a "play nice" attitude in new players is bringing the community down. Just so long as we don't let that turn into a "complain when others don't follow the same rules" whine. Whining is worse than typekilling, BY FAR.

Bet51987 · Post by **Bet51987** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 7:26 pm

Behemoth wrote:forgive me, but did i not just say come after me?

Yes, but you did it here. I can't speak for the other honorable players but as for me, you have to ask in a game so the rest of the players won't think I'm picking on you.

But just remember. Don't go crying to mama when I spank you in front of your friends.

Bee

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:48 pm

Bet51987 wrote:
Behemoth wrote:forgive me, but did i not just say come after me?
Yes, but you did it here. I can't speak for the other honorable players but as for me, you have to ask in a game so the rest of the players won't think I'm picking on you.

But just remember. Don't go crying to mama when I spank you in front of your friends.

Bee

i am looking forward to it.

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 9:43 pm

(however you spell it)
MASOCIST!

Kilarin · Post by **Kilarin** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:53 pm

masochist. And I question who is going to be on the recieving end of this affair.

Set up a time and place folks. I wanna sit observer on this grudge match!

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Mon Jul 03, 2006 11:47 pm

I was thinking about Kata, him spawning in teh little cubby hole thing, me at the top with Napalm\\Smart, and somebody else on the other side in teh door way with smarts, that'd take car of him, no prob

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 2:13 am

those kind of tactics only work in a one on one game or even maybe a 3 person game. Beyond that, you'll get waxed in Kata by sitting around waiting.

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:01 pm

Heh, that's why I like Kata, I like camping in there...

XThermonucleusX · Post by **XThermonucleusX** » Tue Jul 18, 2006 11:02 pm

Cool movie. Now I gotta get started on my physics homework.. later

Sulaco · Post by **Sulaco** » Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:42 pm

There's two kinds of players, targets and me.

awww, never mind, this thread's way old...

Sirius · Post by **Sirius** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 3:22 am

rofl.

Learn to play people. It doesn't matter what guns you have or where you're hiding, a top pilot is STILL going to evade your grasp and kill you if they know what to expect.

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 12:53 pm

and sirius comes in with a saving catch!

The Lion · Post by **The Lion** » Tue Sep 26, 2006 6:47 pm

Knowing what to expect is just part of being a top pilot...

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Wed Sep 27, 2006 11:18 pm

Any chance on an advanced tutorial comming out?

d3jake · Post by **d3jake** » Thu Sep 28, 2006 2:23 pm

I'd be willing to take a shot at it seening it as I have a better computer than when I first posted this thread, the big problem is HDD space, I have ~15GB free, which I doubt it enough. So if nobody is willing to do this project, it'll have to wait untill I can get a bigger drive...

psionik · Post by **psionik** » Tue Dec 05, 2006 10:46 am

FNBN

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Gekko71 · Post by **Gekko71** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:48 am

any futher developments on that advanced tutorial - those of you who have seen me fly know that I need it

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 6:47 am

interesting thread ressurection.

Gekko71 · Post by **Gekko71** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 8:10 am

...yeah. Apart from the fact that I need it

it occurrs to me that with Core Decision coming out sometime soon (hopefully), there's going to be a lot more interest in \"Dogfighting 101\" in general. If so - we may be able to drum up more support for and interest in Descent 1-3 from people who 'discover' 6DoF via Core Decision...injecting new life and blood in to our favourite game

Anyone else out there know of a noob (or two) who want's some quality educational video footage (besides me?

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Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 10:12 am

Gekko71 wrote:...yeah. Apart from the fact that I need it it occurrs to me that with Core Decision coming out sometime soon (hopefully), there's going to be a lot more interest in "Dogfighting 101" in general. If so - we may be able to drum up more support for and interest in Descent 1-3 from people who 'discover' 6DoF via Core Decision...injecting new life and blood in to our favourite game

Anyone else out there know of a noob (or two) who want's some quality educational video footage (besides me? )

I do. me me me.

Top Wop · Post by **Top Wop** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:53 am

Ive been a noob forever so I doubt such things will help me, even though I am interested.

Mobius · Post by **Mobius** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:43 pm

Sirian wrote:5. It's too bad D3 failed to include a true Peer to Peer networking option. Without it, 1v1 play died out, and with it, the heart of the old community, leaving behind only a shell of what once was.

With all due respect to Sirian - that's just not true.

There IS a great Peer-to-Peer protocol in Descent3, and while there is a "server" (The person who starts the game), the only disadvantage to a joiner is that level events (like doors opening, weapons and players spawning) are controlled by the server.

The game-play in D3 P2P is essentially identical to the earlier versions.

What killed 1v1 play at PXO was Low Ping Pricks - and nothing more. here's why; LPBs found very early on in D3 online that they ruled a server (admins always set Client Server mode for goo dreasons) if they had a low ping. Hell I remember Propain sitting on 9ms at one point, with me playing in the same server at 300ms on dial-up...

Despite that being a stupid situation, the LPBs (and I'm not slagging Propain here - he is/was a really good dude) got so used to their sub-40 ms ping times, that they got fat and lazy on it.

If you wanted a 1v1 fight with these guys, they'd tell you to show at a server where they pinged under 20ms and you'd slog up at 250ms plus... They thought it was fair to play that way.

No - you could OFFER to play a 1v1 in P2P mode (Hell, I'd even ask them to host it so they had the server advantage for level events) but no LPBs are prepared to play that way, because the ping time is the same for both players, but the LPB is "crippled" by the "high ping" to their peer.

The other issue is that P2P play does actually tend to benefit "laggy" players - and those players who have crappy connects. Dropping position packets sent to the P2P server meant you could fly through stuff that'd kill you dead, without a scratch.

This was is the days before ubiquitous DSL connections, so there were a LOT of players on crappy dial-up connections, and playing against these guys P2P is/was a bit frustrating. Despite what SickOne used to say, the balance of power was STILL with the player with the best skills, but SOME advantage was given away to the lossy players.

P2P was/is useless for more than 2 players due to the rapidly mounting network traffic. 4 players could result in 20KB/s (not bits, bytes) which completely swamps a 56K connect.

Read the full dissertation on P2P play up at my ancient D3HELP web site. It's still there believe it or not: http://planetdescent.com/d3help

I still maintain that all 1v1 games should be played P2P, on high speed connects, with accurates enabled, a packet ratio of 10 or more, and a coin toss deciding who will host.

One day I even hope to play again. We'll see.

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Mon Jun 11, 2007 10:48 pm

Mobius. On Kali, PvP in D3 sucked. The host was quite literally untouchable. It was obvious inside the first week.

Gekko71 · Post by **Gekko71** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 11:02 am

...so that's NO on the Noob video then?

Shame - It may actually bring more people to D1-3 via You-Tube. Oh well...

Ferno · Post by **Ferno** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 5:49 pm

Duper wrote:Mobius. On Kali, PvP in D3 sucked. The host was quite literally untouchable. It was obvious inside the first week.

QFT

Duper · Post by **Duper** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:35 pm

Ferno wrote:
Duper wrote:Mobius. On Kali, PvP in D3 sucked. The host was quite literally untouchable. It was obvious inside the first week.
QFT

Quantum Field Theory?

Behemoth · Post by **Behemoth** » Tue Jul 31, 2007 10:51 pm

Mobius has no clue what he's talking about.

Wishmaster · Post by **Wishmaster** » Wed Aug 01, 2007 8:31 pm

Mobius wrote:I still maintain that all 1v1 games should be played P2P, on high speed connects, with accurates enabled, a packet ratio of 10 or more, and a coin toss deciding who will host.

If you want the best gameplay, the person with the slower connection should allow the faster to host, methinks.

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