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There might be some credibility to someone claiming not to take sides, if they presented just a teeny tiny little minuscule piece of evidence for it at least once or twice.

Ferno's a liberal, he just won't admit it.

I'd like to know what it is about Liberals that supposedly scares you, Ferno. And what do you think of the main figures in the current U.S. administration?

Anyone that claims to be scared by liberals, should be shitting bricks and having nightmares after watching that video posted in the “America” thread.

Spidey wrote:There might be some credibility to someone claiming not to take sides, if they presented just a teeny tiny little minuscule piece of evidence for it at least once or twice.

you wouldn't know evidence if it came up and introduced itself to you.

Anyone that claims to be scared by liberals, should be ***** bricks and having nightmares after watching that video posted in the “America” thread.

I was sure shitting bricks...

Sergeant Thorne wrote:Ferno's a liberal, he just won't admit it.

I'd like to know what it is about Liberals that supposedly scares you, Ferno. And what do you think of the main figures in the current U.S. administration?

..totally avoided question, Ferno.

So, why are we attacking Ferno? Making fun of him for leaning left doesn't really address any of his points, does it?

Usually when an discussion breaks down to \"He's a liberal\" or \"She's a fundamentalist\" it implies that one side doesn't really have anything constructive left to say, so they attack the person instead of the ideas.

I disagree with Ferno on many points, but then, I disagree with just about EVERYONE on many points. Heck, sometimes I disagree with MYSELF.

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SilverFJ wrote:VonVulcan drinks Rainier and I know it.

Funny you should mention Vitamin "R". Here in the NW we had two major brewery's when I was growing up, Olympia and Rainier. After high school, I started working for a living and discovered the "Party"! My buddies and I started sampling adult beverages. Lucky Lager, Olympia, Rainier and Miller to name a few. Now Miller was pretty good but only the girls drank that so we couldn't be seen swaggering around with a clear bottle of chick beer now could we? Lucky was easiest to get but we really didn't like it much. Oly we decided was one step above bilge water, Lucky WAS bilge water. Now Rainier, that was REAL beer. We LIVED on Rainier. Only on weekends of course, We were sensible binge drinkers. So yea, I have drank LOTS of Rainier. Cases of it. Kegs and Kegs of Rainier! Good old vitamin R! You betchya!

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Ferno, ya liberal bastige, your video sucks, it meant nothing to me since it appears he tries to make his living bashing America. His rants have no substance. His delivery and style is mildly amusing.

Have a nice day.

Ferno wrote:

Spidey wrote:There might be some credibility to someone claiming not to take sides, if they presented just a teeny tiny little minuscule piece of evidence for it at least once or twice.

you wouldn't know evidence if it came up and introduced itself to you.

And you couldn’t defend your position, if you were on the top of a mountain, defending yourself from imaginary smurfs.

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Kilarin, do yourself a favor and stop skimming, nobody is attacking Ferno because he “is” a liberal, we are teasing him because he is in denial.

Spidey wrote:And you couldn’t defend your position, if you were on the top of a mountain, defending yourself from imaginary smurfs.

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Kilarin, do yourself a favor and stop skimming, nobody is attacking Ferno because he “is” a liberal, we are teasing him because he is in denial.

LOL. You're teasing ME? that's a new one. you might just be the new neo, except with a smidge more creativity

Drop the pretense dude. it's not doing anything for you.


At least Kiliaran gets it, and doesn't avoid talking about the vid like the rest of you people have. Don't listen to them Kil. you got a good head on your shoulders.

FJ: you flatter yourself too much. There's a difference between avoiding and just not giving a fsck. I usually do the latter. And I don't hang on this bb like it defines my life(remind you of someone?) but if you really want to know, how bout that stupid bill being proposed in oregon against aftermarket car parts. If you want to pretend a question like that defines a position.. well, you can believe what you want. even if it's retarded.

Vulcan: LOL. you loved it, I know you did.

Both sides are snake-oil salesman and treating one side like they can do no wrong and the other like they're the antichrist makes most of you guys deliciously gullible. and it's giving me plenty of ammo just to screw with the lot of you.

Ferno wrote: but if you really want to know, how bout that stupid bill being proposed in oregon against aftermarket car parts. If you want to pretend a question like that defines a position.. well, you can believe what you want. even if it's retarded.

I happen to live in Oregon and My Job as an Auto Body shop Manager is directly related to that Bill. while I will argue the Premise of that bill is good. it is VERY poorly written and has too broad a scope. It was proposed by a Local Auto body shop and was written to protect the consumer that has been involved in an auto collision. in this state as in most, the Insurance companies can mandate the use of aftermarket collision parts and if you take it to one of their "preferred" shops they will never tell you. even structural SAFETY related impact beams are allowed. probably didn't know that did you? that your insurance company can mandate the used of a NON factory safety part. I refuse to use those safety related aftermarket parts, and when I question the Insurance company I get the typical insurance BS. well we guarantee them if they fail. and EVERY time I ask them the same question. how will you know if the impact beam fails AFTER its been in a accident? and I ALWAYS get the same response. blank stares and silence. total Insurance BS in the name of profit. PLUS the Fit on most of those CAPA(Crapa)certified body parts is so bad that my return ratio is over 65%. its gotten so bad that the company that supplies those parts has refused to sell them to me because I return so much. when they asked my why I wouldn't use them I politely told them if you didn't send me ★■◆● I wouldn't send it back.

so that's what that bill is about, maybe you should have researched it a little first before trying to use it as an example.

Cuda, another problem with aftermarket parts, especially structural components, if they fail and cause a accident with injuries who do you think will be lumped into the lawsuit? Just the manufacturer? Or you who ordered and installed the part? Ask the customers insurance agent if they are going to pay for your legal bills and lost time defending yourself.

I have never installed a A/M Structural component on a car. I ALWAYS call the customer and explain what the insurance company is trying to do. sometimes the Insurance bends, other times the customer bends. many times I (the shop) pay the difference. there is TOO MUCH liability if someone gets injured. and I am not willing to take that risk

Ferno wrote:At least Kiliaran gets it, and doesn't avoid talking about the vid like the rest of you people have.

Well, NOT guilty of skimming the thread. But you'll note I have NOT participated in the "America" thread, nor watched the video.

Which might explain some of my confusion.

spidey wrote:nobody is attacking Ferno because he “is” a liberal, we are teasing him because he is in denial.

From my perspective, Ferno wasn't involved in this thread at all until you brought him up.

I don't object to a little teasing, it just seemed everyone was picking on him at once. To me, liberals and conservatives are pretty much alike. Picking on either one is kinda like throwing rocks at a cripple. It's just not sporting.

Both sides are snake-oil salesman and treating one side like they can do no wrong and the other like they're the antichrist makes most of you guys deliciously gullible.

This is true. When we realize that at this point the American people and the American government have become two different entities, we'll quit fighting amongst ourselves and then maybe hold the government accountable again. Rich against poor, white against black, democrats against republicans. Make em fight amongst themselves and we can work without hindrance

Minister beaten after clashing with Muslims on his TV show

By Jonathan Petre
Last updated at 4:39 PM on 15th March 2009


A Christian minister who has had heated arguments with Muslims on his TV Gospel show has been brutally attacked by three men who ripped off his cross and warned: ‘If you go back to the studio, we’ll break your legs.’

The Reverend Noble Samuel was driving to the studio when a car pulled over in front of him. A man got out and came over to ask him directions in Urdu.

Mr Samuel, based at Heston United Reformed Church, West London, said: ‘He put his hand into my window, which was half open, and grabbed my hair and opened the door.

Then he grabbed my cross and pulled it off and it fell on the floor. He was swearing. The other two men came from the car and took my laptop and Bible.’

The Metropolitan Police are treating it as a ‘faith hate’ assault and are hunting three Asian men.

In spite of the attack, Mr Samuel went ahead with his hour-long live Asian Gospel Show on the Venus satellite channel from studios in Wembley, North London. During the show the Muslim station owner Tahir Ali came on air to condemn the attack.

Pakistan-born Mr Samuel, 48, who was educated by

He started slapping my face and punching my neck. He was trying to smash my head on the steering wheel.

Christian missionaries and moved to Britain 15 years ago, said that over the past few weeks he has received phone-in calls from people identifying themselves as Muslims who challenged his views.

‘They were having an argument with me,’ he said. ‘They were very aggressive in saying they did not agree with me. I said those are your views and these are my views.’

He said that he, his wife Louisa, 48, and his son Naveed, 19, now fear for their safety, and police have given them panic alarms. ‘I am frightened and depressed,’ he said. ‘My show is not confrontational.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -show.html

Ferno wrote:FJ: you flatter yourself too much. There's a difference between avoiding and just not giving a fsck. I usually do the latter. And I don't hang on this bb like it defines my life(remind you of someone?) but if you really want to know, how bout that stupid bill being proposed in oregon against aftermarket car parts. If you want to pretend a question like that defines a position.. well, you can believe what you want. even if it's retarded.

I'm an arrogant ★■◆●, I know. And the reason I brought up you avoiding the question was that I was sincerely curious and interested in your answer. If you're referring to me about hanging onto this board, I'm on vacation from lengthy work and get on the internet a lot (while I'm getting tubbier, too). I like coming to the E&C board because there's a position to be taken on anything and it is limitlessly entertaining. I've been talking to your ass on the internet for like 10 years now and we've never had any real dirt about anything, so if I throw you a little guff you know I'm probably just playing.

So settle down.
damn canadians...

CUDA wrote:so that's what that bill is about, maybe you should have researched it a little first before trying to use it as an example.

what about the fact that they're trying to push low-rolling resistance tires in order to 'curb CO2'? (you can thank the extreme left global warming nutjobs for that one)

And the reason I brought up you avoiding the question was that I was sincerely curious and interested in your answer.

huh, that's a first. usually no one gives a ★■◆● about my answer, FJ. and i'm just fine with that.

it is limitlessly entertaining

you got that right. I got a ton of entertainment just messin with the lot of you these past few days. If I don't stir up the hive, who will?

Ferno wrote:

CUDA wrote:so that's what that bill is about, maybe you should have researched it a little first before trying to use it as an example.

what about the fact that they're trying to push low-rolling resistance tires in order to 'curb CO2'? (you can thank the extreme left global warming nutjobs for that one)

Well this is a Democratic controlled state House, Senate, Gov. just like the Federal Gov. see what we have to look forward to

Ferno wrote:

CUDA wrote:so that's what that bill is about, maybe you should have researched it a little first before trying to use it as an example.

what about the fact that they're trying to push low-rolling resistance tires in order to 'curb CO2'? (you can thank the extreme left global warming nutjobs for that one)

o_0

where on earth did you hear about that?!?

they'll be after out tooth brushes next.

My recent search for an article on toothbrush legislation turned up fruitless.

SilverFJ wrote:My recent search for an article on toothbrush legislation turned up toothless.

Fixed