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Now there’s a scary word.

Have you guys heard about the carbon tax?

Actually, the girlfriend is sleeping and I drank too much coffee, so here's more paranoia...or truth...

SilverFJ says no to Carbon Tax, and why:

First of all, everything I quote or link to is from the government site for the carbon tax, straight out of their mouths, until I type otherwise.
(www.carbontax.org)

Carbon tax basically measures how much of a carbon footprint you're leaving on the planet, even when the greenhouse effect has been explained and petitioned to be caused by solar activity, by at least 30,000 scientists--and taxes you for it.

A carbon tax is a tax on the carbon content of fuels — effectively a tax on the carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels. Thus, carbon tax is shorthand for carbon dioxide tax or CO2 tax.

Then they go on to say, for the benefiet of our pea-sized brains:

Carbon atoms are present in every fossil fuel — coal, oil and gas — as is hydrogen. The bond between hydrogen and carbon atoms is the primary source of energy from fossil fuels and of the heat released in fuel combustion. Essentially all carbon atoms are converted to CO2 when the fuel is burned.

But what's this? There's suddenly a theory thrown in here, misleadingly attatched to the same paragraph as the above scientific facts:

Carbon dioxide, an otherwise non-lethal and innocuous gas, rises in the atmosphere and remains resident there, trapping heat re-radiated from Earth’s surface and causing global warming and other harmful climate change.

I must have been off in the woods when this was proven, and people must have forgotten it was proven after a few minutes...Then they go onto explain

In contrast, non-combustion energy sources — wind, sunlight, falling water, atomic fission — do not convert carbon to carbon dioxide. Accordingly, a carbon tax (or CO2 tax) is effectively a tax on the use of fossil fuels, and only fossil fuels.

Thinking about every carbon release in the world (like ex-haling), it makes you \"breathe easier\" (har har ) to know they're just planning on taxing your smoke.
We continue, a little later down.

The rationale for a carbon tax is simple: the levels of CO2 already in the Earth’s atmosphere and being added daily are destabilizing established climate patterns and threatening the ecosystems on which we and other living beings depend. Very large and rapid reductions in the United States’ and other nations’ carbon emissions are essential to reverse runaway climate change and avert resulting severe weather events, inundation of coastal areas, spread of diseases, failure of agriculture and water supply, infrastructure destruction, forced migrations, political upheavals and international conflict.

A carbon tax must be the central mechanism for reducing carbon emissions.

\"Well, Al Gore thinks this is how the world works, so give us some money so we can take care of it!\"

You know, at least a terrible, destructive, sleazeball, (lost, byt the way...) bailout to the auto companies and banks made at least some semblance of sense.

Then we find out that there'll be \"no tax increase\"...Where have we heard that before? I wish I wasn't feeling so sick about my government so I could laugh at that.

A carbon tax should be revenue-neutral. Revenue-neutral means that little if any of the tax revenues raised by taxing carbon emissions would be retained by government. The vast majority of the revenues would be returned to the public, with, perhaps, a very small amount utilized to mitigate the otherwise negative impacts of carbon taxes on low-income energy users.

What kind of braindead TV junkie, blind jackasses do they take us for?

Give me a cash for clunkers program that works before you start taxing me for breathing...

They go on to explain how we've got to railroad this now. If they're up to their track record, they're going to add 300 pages to the bill at 3:09 a.m. the morning of the vote...

Carbon taxes can be implemented much sooner than complex cap-and-trade systems. Because of the urgency of the climate crisis, we do not have the luxury of waiting while the myriad details of a cap-and-trade system are resolved through lengthy negotiations.

Yeah...'cause you don't have TIME.

Carbon taxes can be implemented with far less opportunity for manipulation by special interests, while a cap-and-trade system’s complexity opens it to exploitation by special interests and perverse incentives that can undermine public confidence and undercut its effectiveness.

Disgusting...this is one, giant, special interest.

the U.S. will continue to be the world’s biggest contributor to global climate change long after China, or even India, surpasses us in annual emissions. That’s because carbon dioxide molecules, once emitted, remain “resident” in the atmosphere for approximately a century. Considering the many decades in which America’s carbon emissions dwarfed everyone else’s, of the CO2 now warming Earth, more than three times as much is the product of American emissions as Chinese emissions.

We're so ****ing evil. We should bow our heads in shame. Further more, we need to get this done before anybody even knows about it!
Don't be suprised when there's so many hidden articles in this bill it's the new Underground Railroad. You can check out how they plan to implement it here:

http://www.carbontax.org/issues/impleme ... bon-taxes/

This is the tip of the iceburg. This is what they're telling you. Imagine all the scary stuff they're going to throw in.

This tax would give the government complete control over the energy industry, and that's another free part of this nation evaporated to the swelling cloud of facism...

It's sad when a tax bill website needs an entire \"myths dispelling\" section aside from it's own FAQ. Propaganda. At least they provide you with a colorful spreadsheet we morons can drool over to \"show(s) how fast emissions will fall.\" By the time we find out nothing happens, we'll be so owned by the government not even freakin' Jesus could buy us back with a second crucifixion.

Here's #3 on their FAQ page:

3. How serious is the climate crisis?

We agree with Al Gore and scientists such as Sir David King and James Hansen that the continued buildup of greenhouse gases in Earth’s atmosphere portends worldwide cataclysmic change in the very near future. Hotter summers are the least of what’s in store for humanity. Destructive storms, inundation of coastal regions, decimation of food chains, spreading disease, economic devastation, warfare and massive migrations of humans and other species are all virtual certainties in the lifetimes of most people now living, unless the world makes sharp cuts in greenhouse gases.

Someone's seen The Day After Tomarrow enough to believe this garbage--oh, wait, I forgot, it's the TV-fueled middle class who walk in a perpetual trance and buy into whatever's shown to them. Here's #19

19. Must carbon taxes be global to work?

A carbon tax can be applied locally, nationally or globally. A global carbon tax is certainly preferable, not just because the climate crisis is global but because it would avert potential leakage by carbon emitters attempting to move their combustion of carbon from jurisdictions that tax carbon to those that do not.

Of course, let's make a problem with an agendized solution! The truth is, and the reason I've added this to this topic, this is just another hidden agenda, anyone but Ray Charles could see it. Potential carbon leakage? Come--freakin'--on, this is an act to move towards a global agenda. Obama's the chairperson of the U.N. Security council AND the president of the U.S. You can't serve two masters.

Finally, as my coffee is wearing off, I'll leave you with the list of people who support this tax:
http://www.carbontax.org/who-supports/

I really suggest ya'll look over this one hard...

The biggest problem with people thinking carbon taxes will help is that, even if the US stopped all of its CO2 emissions tomorrow, the level of CO2 in the atmosphere would still continue to increase. China and India (~ 1/3 of the worlds population) will not hamstring their economic development by backing down from their increasing use of carbon-based energy sources. Won't be a global effort because they won't submit to carbon taxation.

Plus when another volcano erupts our emissions will pale as well.

Okay, SilverFJ is my new favorite person on the DBB. ^_~

hug

Silver, I'm sure you probably feel like revolting. Don't do it. He who kills with the sword will die by the sword. Peace cannot be kept by force. It must be achieved through understanding. The only choice we have now is subsistence. Above all, don't be fearful. Fear is a weapon of mass destruction. :P Find peace and seek the truth. Knowledge and wisdom are the defense of a true master. ;) Free your mind. ^_~

Well thanks dude. Montana is a state with a 1% variance on whether we're going to seceed or not. If it comes to a civil war because enough people have the knowledge, I'll fight for my state, and my freedom. But for now I'm dedicating 101% of my personal time spreading the word, my social life doesn't exist right now. People see us as fanatics... That's because they're blind. The founding fathers were fanatics.

It's sick how many people don't know about this yet...

Keep it up, tell your friends, tell your family, tell your neighbors! People don't know because they're in a trance. Wake them up! I've had the privalege of growing up without a T.V. and never having a vaccination, of eating the locally grown, non-GMO food, just because I grew up in a little MT town. I don't understand the fog people live in, but I want to get them out.

.........
...and Tim McVeigh had the right idea, but he should've alarmed a bomb threat and got people out of there, or something--sooo many innocent deaths, it's counter-active.

I mean, LOOK, THIS is what people are looking up on Yahoo, supposedly!

Yahoo! main page wrote:Popular Searches:
Dancing With the…
Kareem Abdul-Jab…
Nidal Hasan
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Dancing with the ★■◆●ing stars and Kareem? Lindsay Lohan??? MY ASS.

I'm sure I googled those exact same terms.

LMAO at Rick Astley Virus!

RAWR!