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Muslim \"modesty\" to prevent the evil of temptation.

WELL that explains the battle of Thermoplyae. I thought it was a huge victory for the Greek's over the Persian Immortals. in REALITY, it was just a bunch of women in Burka's

TB, that's a horribly slanted slanted image.

Not ALL Muslim women dress that way. That is the most extreme form, yes. But it's not the norm.

.. ans Christians get accused of being lopsided.

with this kind of singular \"Open-mindedness\" and winning attitudes like this:

I don't respect Islam, i just think it's hypocritical to complain about one stupid religion when there's another stupid religion right in front of you.

I handed an Islamic preacher's ass back to him today - and most of the arguments i used can also be used on Christianity.

The loudest criticism of Islam always seems to come from the Christian right. Competing teams in a sport for retards.

I'm sure this world will go far...

Duper wrote:TB, that's a horribly slanted slanted image.

Not ALL Muslim women dress that way. That is the most extreme form, yes. But it's not the norm.

During my trip to Egypt, which is definitely on the tolerant end of the scale of Islam I would say about half the woman were dressed that way. Nobody outside the tour group ever bared a shoulder or a leg, and few left their hair uncovered. Although for the most part you could still see their faces, few had the full veil like that image above. But no matter how you take it the number of people dressed that way was significant.

It almost seems as if being female under islam is treated as an affliction.

That is not to say other religion(s) have no gender restrictions themselves- they do...but the degree and almost pathological nature are not seen elsewhere.

How does making fun of someone’s culture make any kind of point?

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Abraham's wife's burka must have been a lot less ugly, because he was afraid the men of a certain city would kill him for his wife.

Those women look like a bunch of penguins except ugly. No one was meant to dress like that.

Muslim men must have absolutely no balls, or perhaps there is just no reason that their wives should want to stay with them, if they have to resort to hiding their women.

I have one more ridicule to utter. Isn't it amazing that in the service of the one \"true God\" these righteous men, under Islam, all have to hide their wives from each other.

Bee…

Do you even have half a clue? “Most oppressed society in the history of the world”.

Have you even heard of cultures where they made their women tie their feet so they could remain small or ones that required they get circumcised, then there are the ones that make their women wear rings around their necks to stretch them, and maybe even the ones that throw tires over them and then set them on fire?

Give me a break.

Bet51987 wrote:

Spidey wrote:How does making fun of someone’s culture make any kind of point?

Because it's not even close to a culture. It's a barbaric form of religious extremism that is forced on girls and women that TB points out very well.

Afghanistan, for example, was the most oppressed society in the history of the world and the "point" is that this is what Sharia law of Islam wants to place on the rest of the world. Burkas for all females.

Bee

- Few Muslims want Sharia law.
- AFAIK Most Muslim women wear the small Hijab head covering, but few wear the full Burqa. Many Muslim women do not wear any headcovering at all.
- For example in Indonesia, the per-capita biggest Muslim country (and right on the doorstep of Australia), the headdress is a fashion accessory, is not required, and many don't wear it.
- Head coverings for women are also an aspect of other religions, such as CHRISTIANITY.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veil

All traditional depictions of the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ, show her veiled. Veiling was a common practice with church-going women until the 1960s, and a number of very traditional churches retain the custom.

When i was a Fundamentalist Christian a few years back, sometimes women felt they should wear a veil when speaking in church. I saw it with my own eyes.


But yeah Authoritorian regimes who require headdresses, are dumb. Authoritarianism in general is dumb.

Roid, a fundamentalist christian?

If Roid can break away from religious dogma, there may be hope for the masses.

roid, really? (that IS rhetorical) I've seen some silly stuff like that in the deep south. It's unfortunate that folks get crazy like that. They totally miss the point of Jesus's ministry.

Sorry to hear you were exposed to stuff like that.

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I was talking about females as well, if you think “women” means something else, I can’t help that.

First you said “history of the world” now it’s “modern times”?

Can’t have a discussion under those conditions. Stupid games…

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I find a certain bit of irony in someone that complains about the Christian right \"imposing\" their views on non-believers, wishing to impose their own moralistic views on the people of Afghanistan, your \"ASSUMPTION\" that

no one wants Sharia law and neither did the women of Afghanistan

is arrogant at best, you couldn't possibly know this to be true, and then to say

Sharia law should be feared by every Muslim

if that was the case then why do so many Muslim's embrace it Men AND Women.

Head coverings for women are also an aspect of other religions, such as CHRISTIANITY.

The Bible only commands a woman to wear a head covering if she is praying or prophesying (by the same token a man is commanded not to cover his head while praying or prophesying). Some people take that to extremes, and some people try to nullify it with surrounding scripture, but it is in there. But any similarity that Roid is attempting to imply is clearly not there. It's those damn details that gum everything up.

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Bet51987 wrote:

CUDA wrote:I find a certain bit of irony in someone that complains about the Christian right "imposing" their views on non-believers, wishing to impose their own moralistic views on the people of Afghanistan, your "ASSUMPTION" that

no one wants Sharia law and neither did the women of Afghanistan

is arrogant at best, you couldn't possibly know this to be true, and then to say

Sharia law should be feared by every Muslim

if that was the case then why do so many Muslim's embrace it Men AND Women.

I have no problem with Christians teaching non-believers as long as it's not in a public school. I do it myself in church when I need to comfort someone but to quote Spidey.... "If you had half a clue" about what those women and girls went through living under Sharia you wouldn't make such a dumb statement. They were forced. Many others "embrace" it out of pure fear.

You need to read more about it...like I have.

Bee

and you've been there and seen it your self right???? then you know NOTHING. reading somone's viewpoint on what goes on over there is just their OPINION of the situation based on what OUR culture considers the norm. unless you have seen it with your own eyes and lived it you cannot possibly know the whole truth. even you cannot POSSIBLY believe that the MILLIONS of women all living under Sharia are living there out of fear.

Now in your defense I pretty much agree with you on how I think a women should be treated. but your positions of absolutes is foolish. you dont have ANY clue on what those girls and women go through. this is both a religious and a cultural issue. while I have not been to Afghanistan I have been to India and Indonesia and have seen women treated in a way that I would consider wrong, but again that IS their culture.

CUDA wrote:but again that IS their culture.

Means...?

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Bet51987 wrote:

Sergeant Thorne wrote:

CUDA wrote:but again that IS their culture.

Means...?

It means he considers uncivilized barbarism toward women in Afghanistan a culture. I wish I could lower my morals just enough to swear.

Bee

Grow up child

Sergeant Thorne wrote:

CUDA wrote:but again that IS their culture.

Means...?

cul·ture (kŭl'chər)
n.

The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns, arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and thought.

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If that's the way you want to play.

CUDA wrote:you know NOTHING.
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your positions of absolutes is foolish.

I think CUDA may have a point hidden somewhere in amidst the condescension. Shame.

Bet51987 wrote: The Taliban surely has a friend in you Cuda. You should be ashamed.

Bee

Yep I want all women in Burqa's,

I see how you conveniently ignored this statement by me

written by me which you completely ignored wrote:Now in your defense I pretty much agree with you on how I think a women should be treated.

ya see Bee you and the Taliban have so much in common. YOU BOTH HATE, and you both hate completely. if there is anyone here that should be ashamed its you.
Hate is a disease, it eats at your soul. you hate the Taliban, you hate God, you hate me. how many more people do you hate. its spreading in your life

you can try to make me out for being the bad guy if that makes your feel better.
I already stated that I don't agree with the Taliban here and in other threads, but apparently your Grey matter didn't register that line because you HATE and you want to continue HATING.

as·sume
   /əˈsum/ Show Spelled [uh-soom] Show IPA verb,-sumed, -sum·ing.
–verb (used with object)
1.
to take for granted or without proof; suppose; postulate; posit: to assume that everyone wants peace.

you ASSUME that everyone in Afghanistan Men and Women are forced into the Taliban. YOU ARE WRONG

EDIT:

Stare at the word "shared" and see if you can understand what it means.

the word "shared" as you want to point out means COMMON.

learn english

share1   /ʃɛər/ Show Spelled [shair] Show IPA noun, verb,shared, shar·ing.

Synonyms
mutual
communal
common

Sergeant Thorne wrote:If that's the way you want to play.

CUDA wrote:you know NOTHING.
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your positions of absolutes is foolish.

I think CUDA may have a point hidden somewhere in amidst the condescension. Shame.

Nah I'm just tired of the rantings of a post pubescent girl who's probably never left her home state, assuming she knows about the rest of the world's issues.

Man, ya'll are gonna lock up TC's thread.

Oh well.

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You of course Bettina, are dealing with your own cultural walls. They might see us as not a culture, but a society of godless (allahless?) demon beasts.

This whole life you live of female equality is far from old. Count your lucky stars.

ThunderBunny wrote:Man, ya'll are gonna lock up TC's thread.

Oh well.

I figured that would happen when I started it. Nothing brings out emotion like a discussion about religion.

I'm with Bee. I personally think most mainstream religions, including Christianity, but especially Islam, are just an rationale for male dominance and power in this world. And don't go on and claim 'hate' whenever someone disagrees with or 'knocks' a religion and their dogmatic thinking. Those that are in the 'king of the hill' seat, in power so to speak, can't possibly have ANY idea what it's like to be subservient in an oppressive culture, ESPECIALLY when they don't think their culture IS oppressive. For me, Islam, or even Christianity, is NOT something I want fully controlling my life. Practice religion yourself if you want, it's a free country, but don't force it on others that want no part of it.

I just got through reading 'Corsair' and the ending is something we can only hope for, peace between the 2 largest religions. However, I really don't see that ever happening in the near future. Both religions keep returning to their dogma and rigidity in seeking dominance and new members. Compromise between the 2 just seems to be an impossible goal. We can't even get agreement BETWEEN Christian denominations let alone OTHER faiths!