tunnelcat wrote:
So if we followed the Bible, even partly to the letter, every man and woman who commits adultery in this country should be stoned to death as punishment. That includes a man even LOOKING at another women in a "lustful" manner. But apparently, Jesus was the game changer in the Bible, so I do give him credit for changing previously draconian Wrath of God Bible justice.
this is where your lack of understanding of the bible comes in. Christ WAS a game changer John proves it, and you point it out.
Bible wrote:John 8:3 - The scribes and the Pharisees brought a woman who had been caught in adultery; and making her stand before all of them,8:4 they said to him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery.8:5 Now in the law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?"8:6 They said this to test him, so that they might have some charge to bring against him. Jesus bent down and wrote with his finger on the ground.8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "Let anyone among you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her."
now here is the rest of the verse.
8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
Christ did not condemn the woman for her Sins (adultery). which he could have done. and by doing so he also pointed out to the Pharisee's that they were sinners themselves. what Christ did do was tell her to stop sinning. to effectually live a sinless life
Christ wrote:John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.
if we are to follow Christs example we need to STOP judging others.
I've noticed that many Christians like to pick and choose which passages to follow, or to use when railing against others.
there in lies the problem. it's not the scriptures. its the people who "pick and chose" and apply those scriptures for their own selfish gratification. you could justify anything you want to do in this world or condemn anyone in this world for your perceived opinion of their sins (self gratification) by Picking and choosing scriptures a verse at a time.
And I've really noticed that Bible seems to blame women quite a bit for the sinful thoughts and actions of men. Well, I suppose that since Eve ate the apple first, it's her fault that all men are evil and all women are MORE evil. Does God really hate women that much and do men use that as an excuse to vilify and subjugate women?
I find that it blames ALL for their sinful ways.
Matthew 5:28 wrote:But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
sounds like he's talking to the men there.
Proverbs wrote:10 Who can find a virtuous woman?
For her price is far above rubies.
11 The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her,
so that he shall have no need of spoil.
12 She will do him good and not evil
all the days of her life.
13 She seeketh wool, and flax,
and worketh willingly with her hands.
14 She is like the merchants' ships;
she bringeth her food from afar.
15 She riseth also while it is yet night,
and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens.
16 She considereth a field, and buyeth it:
with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard.
17 She girdeth her loins with strength,
and strengtheneth her arms.
18 She perceiveth that her merchandise is good:
her candle goeth not out by night.
19 She layeth her hands to the spindle,
and her hands hold the distaff.
20 She stretcheth our her hand to the poor;
yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy.
21 She is not afraid of the snow for her household:
for all her household are clothed with scarlet.
22 She maketh herself coverings of tapestry;
her clothing is silk and purple.
23 Her husband is known in the gates,
when he sitteth among the elders of the land.
24 She maketh fine linen, and selleth it;
and delivereth girdles unto the merchant.
25 Strength and honor are her clothing;
and she shall rejoice in time to come.
26 She openeth her mouth with wisdom;
and in her tongue is the law of kindness.
27 She looketh well to the ways of her household,
and eateth not the bread of idleness.
28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed;
her husband also, and he praiseth her.
29 Many daughters have done virtuously,
but thou excellest them all.
30 Favor is deceitful, and beauty is vain:
but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands;
and let her own works praise her in the gates.
that sounds like high praise of a Woman to me
and again it's your understanding of the scriptures that gives you the false impression that God hates women. using your reference to Eve, Women are to be subject to man because of her, 1st because Eve was from Adam. hence Woman or of man as the word translates, and 2nd in the Garden of Eden Eve was deceived by the serpent, Adam was not. Adam made a choice. all be it a poor one. that is why Man is the head of Woman Biblical
The crux of the original topic: