Eye on the Ball

[Tunnelcat]

Let me put it this way CUDA. Perry's extremist ministers are just a crazy and out there in outer space as is Obama's Rev. Wright. If you don't think Apostolic Reformationists aren't a little wacko, then you're definition of "Christian" is a little different than mine.

I'm not against Christians in office, if they at least try to keep their faith separate from their governance duties. I know that's not always possible, but their religion shouldn't be their main platform to stand on. I certainly don't believe all Christians are in cults. I have many mainstream Catholic and Protestant Christian friends I respect. I may not agree with them on their politics, but most are well rounded and sensible people. What I am against is having a person like Rick Perry getting elected into high office on the platform of doing it because of God's calling, and when he gets into office, he'll perform God's work, or at least his interpretation of what his minister and preacher friends call God's work. Perry's made no bones about it and I'm sure he intends to follow through with this craziness if elected. At least he's honest.

http://www.latimes.com/la-oe-krauss-per ... 2400.story

Just heard that Perry won 6th place in the Iowa straw poll, Bachmann got the number one spot. Not much of a choice either. 2 of the crazies out of that whole birdbrain lot.

[CUDA]

Let me put it this way CUDA. Perry's extremist ministers are just a crazy and out there in outer space as is Obama's Rev. Wright. If you don't think Apostolic Reformationists aren't a little wacko, then you're definition of "Christian" is a little different than mine.

I dont know where you get you information from but from what I can find your statement is untrue.

please link for me what your claiming, so I can look deeper into it.

But I am assuming your referring to Sarah Posners Article in which she sites Perry's meeting with a couple of members of the Movement. and makes a Guilt by association. maybe you should try reading something that actually talks about Perry's beliefs before you condemn him based on an article that is politically motivated

I questioned Obama based on the fact that he sat under Wright's teachings for 20 years.which are not only racist but non-biblical. if you can find me where Perry has sat under the same type of questionable teachings I would be interested.

Perry and his family have been members of Tarrytown United Methodist Church since the 1990s

Perry now attends Lake Hills Church more frequently than he attends Tarrytown,
Despite its name, Lake Hills is "technically," a Southern Baptist church,

from what I can glean NEITHER Church is from the Apostolic reformation movement.

I'm not against Christians in office, if they at least try to keep their faith separate from their governance duties

a true man of faith will always go to God first in any decision he makes in Governance and his life. one that does not I would consider a Hypocrite. and his faith is just for show.


edit: I read your link. the author is an idiot, he's effectively saying, as you yourself have proclaimed in the past. that if we elect a man the openly professes his faith you'll potentially be creating a theocracy. what a Crock, and he obviously has no understanding of the establishment clause either. everyone has a right to their personal beliefs. that is what makes us who we are. and you cannot separate those beliefs from your governance. if you don't like Perry. then don't vote for him.

[Top Gun]

The fact that Bachmann has managed to win anything is horrifically depressing. Apparently Iowa is the redneck capital of the world...who knew?

[flip]

Ron Paul was a real close second.

[callmeslick]

The only reason that slavery was the backbone of the southern economy was because those idiots let it be that way, knowing that there would be conflict over it eventually. Same short-sighted behavior that people indulge in today. Furthermore, slavery was not exactly "normal" in the mid-1800s either. If it was, then why would a nation go to war over it?

excuse me for jumping into this, but I have to speak up. As a descendant of slave owners and a Virginian by birth, you all are a bit off. First, you are correct, insofar as slavery NOT being the norm, especially by 1800 and after. However, to grow crops such as tobacco, cotton, or sugar cane in a pre-industrial world, without slaves, any large operation would be impossible. Small farms wouldn't have been economically feasable, as you need lots of land to generate enough money.
Now, as to the Civil War, and secession, it came down to money over that ugly system. By the 1850's, slaves were generally the second largest asset that large-scale Southern landowners had. Thus, the suggest freeing the slaves would be akin to me telling you to liquidate your retirement accounts and leave the cash in cardboard boxes by the curb to be shared by the general public. That is the conflict's core fear that drove the south to secession. States rights had been subjugated by the courts already, so the handwriting was on the wall that eventually, enough votes in the Congress would outlaw slavery. It was pure economics.

[callmeslick]

that said, I am going to repeat part of what I wrote on another board, regarding education and the overall dumbing down of the American populace. Part of our problems stem DIRECTLY from Christian Conservatives. To wit: when you have people who will both claim that life on Earth only dates back 8000 years or so, will build a freaking museum to such idiocy, and then IMPOSE that stupidity on the public school system, those people are a clear-cut danger to society. Anyone, from any religion or ideology, who imposes that upon the nation as a whole, without any regard for, respect for or consideration of opposing views is dangerous enough. However, folks who simply ignore and try to supress factual reality on such a consistent basis are a danger to the nation, IMHO. Perry is one of those, Bachmann is another, as is Palin.
All of them are dangerous loons, driven by a fantasy-world religion, and should be run out of American political discourse as fast as possible.

[woodchip]

that said, I am going to repeat part of what I wrote on another board, regarding education and the overall dumbing down of the American populace. Part of our problems stem DIRECTLY from Christian Conservatives. To wit: when you have people who will both claim that life on Earth only dates back 8000 years or so, will build a freaking museum to such idiocy, and then IMPOSE that stupidity on the public school system, those people are a clear-cut danger to society. Anyone, from any religion or ideology, who imposes that upon the nation as a whole, without any regard for, respect for or consideration of opposing views is dangerous enough. However, folks who simply ignore and try to supress factual reality on such a consistent basis are a danger to the nation, IMHO. Perry is one of those, Bachmann is another, as is Palin.
All of them are dangerous loons, driven by a fantasy-world religion, and should be run out of American political discourse as fast as possible.

I think Slick you are opening up a can of worms. Comparing Christian Conservative with Creationists shows a singular lack of knowledge of what is going on. I will expect to see a whole raft of posts here so hold on to your putzer Slick.

[flip]

No one's denying slavery was an issue. It just irks me when people EVERYWHERE say the Civil War was started over slavery. The very initial seeds of discontent is what starts something, everything else just accumulates to keep the momentum up. It was a trade dispute initially and EVERYBODY owned slaves. The very fact that any state aligned with the Union were able to keep their slaves, in other words their wealth, shows in itself it was at best a brilliant military tactic. Reluctantly as hell I would imagine, it was an act of desperation. I imagine there was a population against enslaving their fellow man, but the majority of people who had slaves, North and South, did not want to give them up. Then they killed Lincoln because even back then the people knew that somebody had to be the slave.

[Will Robinson]

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Part of our problems stem DIRECTLY from Christian Conservatives. To wit: when you have people who will both claim that life on Earth only dates back 8000 years or so, will build a freaking museum to such idiocy, and then IMPOSE that stupidity on the public school system, those people are a clear-cut danger to society.
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Taking your assessment at face value, when you consider the relatively minor influence creationists have been able to 'force' on the public schools compared to the deeply ingrained influence liberalism has had, in fact it rules the administration of education in america, and if you consider we spend many times more per capita than any other nation on education and yet our children trail miserably behind children in those other nations nations your outrage at the effect of the liberal agenda compared to that of the creationist agenda must be of epic proportion!! They have run our education system into the ground the way they run the communities they control into the crime ridden bancruptcy we have accepted by throwing good money after bad wasted on ridiculous theories with blind faith in methods that are totally unproven like some kind of religious cult.

I imagine you must be foaming at the mouth with contempt for those responsible for the litany of downright abusive policies they have forced upon our children and this nation!

Unless of course your political orientation forbids you to be consistent to follow your logic and concern for dangers to society and you are willing to throw our children under the bus in deference to your political party...

[Spidey]

Taking your assessment at face value, when you consider the relatively minor influence creationists have been able to 'force' on the public schools compared to the deeply ingrained influence liberalism has had, in fact it rules the administration of education in america, and if you consider we spend many times more per capita than any other nation on education and yet our children trail miserably behind children in those other nations nations your outrage at the effect of the liberal agenda compared to that of the creationist agenda must be of epic proportion!! They have run our education system into the ground the way they run the communities they control into the crime ridden bancruptcy we have accepted by throwing good money after bad wasted on ridiculous theories with blind faith in methods that are totally unproven like some kind of religious cult.

Most private schools, some run by those very people Slick speaks of, do much better educating children.

You want to talk about dumbing down children, check into the cheating scandal in Atlanta, Philadelphia & DC. LOL, and the excuse for it…LOL.

[flip]

I think the reason behind that is ultimately No Child Left Behind. My wife teaches and it seems to me at least 80% of the time it's her being graded and tested over actual time with the children. Same thing for the school itself. No wonder our kids are being dumbed down, the teachers can't teach for always being taught themselves.

[Spidey]

I guess it’s all relative…when I went to school we were taking tests every other day, and the teachers were constantly graded as well. I guess it’s like when they used to close schools when there was a foot of snow, and now they close them if there is 6 inches, or maybe even a chance of snow.

Ho Ho He Ho…it’s off to take a test we go…Ho Ho He Ho

Whiners!

[flip]

More like troopers .

[Will Robinson]

I think the reason behind that is ultimately No Child Left Behind. ...

I think you have it out of order, No Child Left Behind was created to deal with the fact that we were lacking relative to the rest of the western world. Not that I think it is successful but as far as which came first, the system was failing us long before that attempt to turn the tide was put into effect.

[flip]

Maybe so, but I was actually in school at that time before No Child Left Behind, and my education doesn't seem lacking. All that law has accomplished is bring about a total waste of resources and tied local schools hands to govern themselves effectively. The law should be repealed and local government empowered to run schools again at the state level. I don't even believe that bull★■◆● that we were falling behind the rest of the world and that's why we needed federal involvement. We seemed to being doing fine until the last 10 years or so.

[CUDA]

I think Slick you are opening up a can of worms. Comparing Christian Conservative with Creationists shows a singular lack of knowledge of what is going on. I will expect to see a whole raft of posts here so hold on to your putzer Slick.

BINGO.

[callmeslick]

I think Slick you are opening up a can of worms.

not the first time, and likely not the last.

Comparing Christian Conservative with Creationists shows a singular lack of knowledge of what is going on.

I am not comparing the two. I see the Creationists and Rapture wingnuts as the extreme end of Conservative Christianity. I respect a lot of folks I know both personally and online to be conservative Christians. I even like a few folks who I know believe the Creationist nonsense, along with a couple who are founding contributors to the Creation museum. I would not wish to see any of those folks holding national political office, or even a seat on the local school board.

I will expect to see a whole raft of posts here so hold on to your putzer Slick.

fire away

[callmeslick]

[ I imagine you must be foaming at the mouth with contempt for those responsible for the litany of downright abusive policies they have forced upon our children and this nation!

actually, and CUDA can vouch for this, I abhor overall what has happened to American education. It will be the downfall of the nation. And yes, some liberal ideas have been major contributors, chief among them being the bizzare notion that we should teach children to avoid winning/losing situations. The real world IS competitive, and ignoring that fact for a kid's first 15 years is idiotic. Most of the issues can not be labelled liberal or conservative problems, as both sides have been involved. Or rather, the vast bulk of the public has been uninvolved with the education process. We expect too little of our children, we have stopped teaching critical thought and have allowed schools to become focused on job skills at the expense of arts, general science skills and social studies. All of these latter have the benefit of creating strong thinking adults. Sadly, we now have an educational system that accomplishes the same thing as the economic system. The children of the wealthy get a traditional, great education. The rest get, well, a bunch of crap.

[flip]

I would probably fall under the political umbrella as a conservative christian and I'm not a creationist. I believe the history of man may be around 8000 or so years, but not the earth itself.

[callmeslick]

[Most private schools, some run by those very people Slick speaks of, do much better educating children.

I agree strongly that many private schools do a fine job. Some Catholic schools still do. I have yet to see a Fundamentalist Christian school that produces anything but unthinking zombies. Sorry to disappoint you.

You want to talk about dumbing down children, check into the cheating scandal in Atlanta, Philadelphia & DC. LOL, and the excuse for it…LOL.

the whole concept of teaching to the test is counterproductive. You are supposed to be teaching children how to think, as much as learning facts. Once they can think for themselves, and can functionally read and do math, learning the facts will become easy. Don't think for a minute I agree with the concept of throwing money at education, either. Unless the concept of what education IS changes, money and facilities mean nothing. A good example of where I base my thinking is based upon my own father. Due to the remote location and being an only child, he was educated in his local public school on the Eastern Shore. That little school, with graduating classes of around 12 per year, and all 11(not 12) grades in one building worked just fine. From his graduating senior class came a doctor, an airline pilot, two lawyers and the Vice President of research for the DuPont company. Not a bad batting average. Why? Because they were taught to think, and thus, were able to go out and handle the challenges of a real University education.

[callmeslick]

I would probably fall under the political umbrella as a conservative christian and I'm not a creationist. I believe the history of man may be around 8000 or so years, but not the earth itself.

if so, you are completely ignorant of a massive amount of biological and anthropologic data. Man goes back much farther. Further, man evolved, clearly, from apes in a large scale process, so even adherance to the Adam and Eve story requires disavowing reality.

[Spidey]

Sure, I think an over emphasis on testing is counter productive, but I believe the case here is to blame testing, not the latter.

[Sergeant Thorne]

that said, I am going to repeat part of what I wrote on another board, regarding education and the overall dumbing down of the American populace. Part of our problems stem DIRECTLY from Christian Conservatives. To wit: when you have people who will both claim that life on Earth only dates back 8000 years or so, will build a freaking museum to such idiocy, and then IMPOSE that stupidity on the public school system, those people are a clear-cut danger to society. Anyone, from any religion or ideology, who imposes that upon the nation as a whole, without any regard for, respect for or consideration of opposing views is dangerous enough. However, folks who simply ignore and try to supress factual reality on such a consistent basis are a danger to the nation, IMHO. Perry is one of those, Bachmann is another, as is Palin.
All of them are dangerous loons, driven by a fantasy-world religion, and should be run out of American political discourse as fast as possible.

I can appreciate that you don't like Creationists. While I'm one myself I can't say I know that many personally. I think they're correct about the Biblical account, and while I believe that some of them use unsound reasoning/logic to support their Bible-based views, I don't believe the whole movement is as devoid of reason as you would like to think. However, I don't see the connection with the dumbing down of America, which seems to me to be a result of more liberal thought. It's the kind of thinking that says there should be no losers. The kind of thinking that will lower the standard because not enough people are meeting it. Is that not stemming from the liberal end of things?

I'm sure there is more to what is causing the nation's children to fail than just idiot liberal notions that put feelings and acceptance ahead of responsibility, excellence, and substance (though I think it's likely that's a big part of it), but I can't speak on anything beyond that at present.

[callmeslick]

Sure, I think an over emphasis on testing is counter productive, but I believe the case here is to blame testing, not the latter.

not quite sure what your point is. To clarify mine: mass testing is an unnecessary waste of resources, time and expertise. By and large, to my mind, teachers are NOT the problem. The parents and society in general are far more of the issue. Trying to teach the unteachable is an unenviable task.

[Spidey]

No man “is” an ape, and both humans and other apes evolved from a common ancestor. So if you are going to correct someone…at least get it right.

[callmeslick]

No man “is” an ape, and both humans and other apes evolved from a common ancestor. So if you are going to correct someone…at least get it right.

That whole common ancestor thing gets a bit tricky to us biologists. Genetics, and evolution, are a bit too complex to sum up so simply. Other than that, the above quote seems to deal in semantics, because, yes, man could be considered a type of ape, but no, men and apes are not the same thing.

[flip]

Biological evidence is subject to interpretation and pre-disposition. I've said this before, but if you keep going back in time, it seems we have origins from a small group of people and from one point on earth. There is evidence to support this as seen by migration routes, the advent of our common alphabet that represents spoken sounds......etc. With hardly any paleontological evidence to support widespread existence of man before this time. Until I see that I'm gonna keep an open mind .

[callmeslick]

I can appreciate that you don't like Creationists.

I hate to hurt your feelings, but this isn't quite correct. I do NOT dislike Creationists(I thought I've already explained this), I think they are deluded and in denial of facts. Frankly, Creationists are idiots, if they do not at least concede the possibility that the biblical version might simply be allegorical.

While I'm one myself I can't say I know that many personally. I think they're correct about the Biblical account, and while I believe that some of them use unsound reasoning/logic to support their Bible-based views, I don't believe the whole movement is as devoid of reason as you would like to think. However, I don't see the connection with the dumbing down of America, which seems to me to be a result of more liberal thought. It's the kind of thinking that says there should be no losers. The kind of thinking that will lower the standard because not enough people are meeting it. Is that not stemming from the liberal end of things?

I wrote that I agree with the no losers part. Still, the political attacks upon the local school boards by creationists and other extreme conservative Christians has hurt the educational system every bit as much, in the field of science. And, to return to my original point, this loss of science thinking and cutting edge talent will absolutely kill the American citizenry in a very short time(a matter of a few more decades, I'd guess).

[callmeslick]

Biological evidence is subject to interpretation and pre-disposition. I've said this before, but if you keep going back in time, it seems we have origins from a small group of people and from one point on earth.

actually, most modern thinking on the subject seems to point to a wave of mutational origin among thousands of pre-humans, over a larger geographic area than was first thought.

There is evidence to support this as seen by migration routes, the advent of our common alphabet that represents spoken sounds......etc. With hardly any paleontological evidence to support widespread existence of man before this time. Until I see that I'm gonna keep an open mind .

common alphabet? Huh? That was a development that came centuries, more like millenia, after the origins of man. All societies developed some form of pictographs, if that is what you are referring to, but they are widely different, from culture to culture, and virtually all came after the initial migratory phase, as best as I know.

[Sergeant Thorne]

You may have distanced me even more than previously, but you have not hurt my feelings.

Frankly, Creationists are idiots, if they do not at least concede the possibility that the biblical version might simply be allegorical.

People that believe the Biblical account to be allegorical have a whole host of problems with the rest of the text. I wouldn't have a problem with the possibility, were it not ruled out by the fact that the rest simply does not work if we evolved from mammals instead of being created unique in the image of God, and that, in my understanding is just a start.

[flip]

Speaking in evolutionary terms, I would think myself that by the time man had advanced to the point of written words, clothing himself and promoting commerce and trade, he would have much more numbers. That's not even to take into account that most modern thinking is that at some point, some variation of ape mutated into possessing more and more intelligence. At what point did they start using tools? How long were these apes in that form of evolution before they eventually evolved in what is man today? All the hard evidence points to there being a very lonely earth not some 10,000 years ago and slowly spreading till today. I would expect to see alot more archaeological evidence of a humanoid that was smart enough to make tools and clothe themselves. Or were they just smart enough to do that but too stupid to make a house? Dinosaurs I believe in, not too sure about humanoids.

[Zuruck]

flip, chimps utilize tools and social communications much like we do.

Why was Issac Newton smart enough to invent calculus but not smart enough to build a combustion engine? Evolution is much more than just physical

[flip]

Are you talking about chimps as we know them today or this mythological missing link that modern thinking keeps pushing. I can make a stronger case for a point of origin than evolutionists can for supposed mutation. Chimps don't count because I think they might have peaked . They did strap one to a rocket and send it too space so you got that going for you.

[Top Gun]

Frankly, Creationists are idiots, if they do not at least concede the possibility that the biblical version might simply be allegorical.

People that believe the Biblical account to be allegorical have a whole host of problems with the rest of the text. I wouldn't have a problem with the possibility, were it not ruled out by the fact that the rest simply does not work if we evolved from mammals instead of being created unique in the image of God, and that, in my understanding is just a start.

Except there's absolutely no dichotomy between evolution and the concept of being created in God's image, unless you're going to place some restriction on how God could have achieved said creation. And at least in my opinion, people who treat the entire Bible as a uniform literal monolith of text instead of delving into the literary types and purposes of its various books do it a fairly large disservice.

[Tunnelcat]

CUDA, the only really detailed place I can point to for a connection between Rick Perry and the New Apostolic Reformation or NAR, is from Maddow's Show. Sure, she leftie off the other end, but if you can stomach it for a moment and watch, be my guest. I watch FOX occasionally myself. But everything she presents can be independently searched out and verified, including those particular "ministers and preachers" Perry has made associations with, especially during his recent "Prayer Rally".



For the love of God, can't we get a conservative running for pres who's not a greedy, self-centered bastard, or a wacko religious zealot with delusions of Godhood, or a combination of both?

[Will Robinson]

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For the love of God, can't we get a conservative running for pres who's not a greedy, self-centered bastard, or a wacko religious zealot with delusions of Godhood, or a combination of both?

You had G.W. Bush! He's no political ego monster he just wanted to be Commissioner of Baseball, he only took the President gig after he found out he wasn't going to be Mr Baseball. He even said in his campaign that america wasn't ready for a ban on abortion and he handed Teddy Kennedy the keys to the car at least once and out spent all democrats (up until Obama showed us just how much a real democrat can spend) so how much more liberal do you want your conservative to be

[callmeslick]

You may have distanced me even more than previously, but you have not hurt my feelings.

Frankly, Creationists are idiots, if they do not at least concede the possibility that the biblical version might simply be allegorical.

People that believe the Biblical account to be allegorical have a whole host of problems with the rest of the text. I wouldn't have a problem with the possibility, were it not ruled out by the fact that the rest simply does not work if we evolved from mammals instead of being created unique in the image of God, and that, in my understanding is just a start.

well, we DID, clearly, and incontrovertably evolve from other species. Further, it is indisputable fact that many other species existed long before man came along. Not accepting that fact is simply denial of truth.
Sort of similar, in a historical context, was the Catholic Church's assertion that the Earth had to be the center of the Universe. Galileo proved otherwise, and was punished. But, he was correct. We now accept such to be the case. Now, Sgt, you are free to believe what you wish. It simply doesn't mean it is correct, or even vaguely close to any reality whatsoever. Just as I can freely state that I believe a diet consisting of crab cakes, steamed shrimp and roasted peanuts to be nutritionally complete, the facts don't back up the belief.

[callmeslick]

Speaking in evolutionary terms, I would think myself that by the time man had advanced to the point of written words, clothing himself and promoting commerce and trade, he would have much more numbers. That's not even to take into account that most modern thinking is that at some point, some variation of ape mutated into possessing more and more intelligence. At what point did they start using tools? How long were these apes in that form of evolution before they eventually evolved in what is man today? All the hard evidence points to there being a very lonely earth not some 10,000 years ago and slowly spreading till today. I would expect to see alot more archaeological evidence of a humanoid that was smart enough to make tools and clothe themselves. Or were they just smart enough to do that but too stupid to make a house? Dinosaurs I believe in, not too sure about humanoids.

this mess is so wrong, in so many ways, I can't start to argue. I simply haven't the time, and can only suggest you try and learn about fossil records, human development and life on earth from factual sources.
Better still, take a couple courses at your local university, on a non-credit basis. You are way, way off of reality.

[callmeslick]

You had G.W. Bush! He's no political ego monster he just wanted to be Commissioner of Baseball, he only took the President gig after he found out he wasn't going to be Mr Baseball. He even said in his campaign that america wasn't ready for a ban on abortion and he handed Teddy Kennedy the keys to the car at least once and out spent all democrats (up until Obama showed us just how much a real democrat can spend) so how much more liberal do you want your conservative to be

credit where it is due......this was a funny piece of writing!

[flip]

It's a valid argument. Something has to account for the lack of numbers.

"One hundred thousand years ago there may have been fewer than a million human beings on the planet, indeed as few as 10,000. Today there are more than six billion. Compared to other large animals, humans have multiplied at an astounding rate in those 100 millennia. When children of today are thirty-something in 2025, they should expect to share the earth with about 8.5 billion people. From 10,000 years ago to 1750 CE, population world-wide increased on average by about 67,000 people a year. By the 1990s, that many new babies were crowding onto the planet every seven hours."

"In Climate History we examine the development of human civilizations during the Holocene-- the past +10,000 years since the last ice age, a period when human population rose from around 5 million to over 6 billion people."

I can't tell for sure from these sources, but it looks like about 5 million 10,000 years ago. I calculate 4,435,200 for 20,000 years ago, but that is assuming equal growth for all years from 100,000 years ago to 20,000 years ago.

Researchers led by Richard M. Myers of Stanford University report in Friday's issue of the journal Science,” Human genetic diversity is shaped by both demographic and biological factors and has fundamental implications for understanding the genetic basis of diseases. We studied 938 unrelated individuals from 51 populations of the Human Genome Diversity Panel at 650,000 common single-nucleotide polymorphism loci. Individual ancestry and population substructure were detectable with very high resolution. The relationship between haplotype heterozygosity and geography was consistent with the hypothesis of a serial founder effect with a single origin in sub-Saharan Africa.

The team looked at variations in 650,000 sections of each of the DNA samples, providing a view of the similarities and differences between people in greater detail than had been available previously.

In addition, they noted that residents of the Middle East can trace their ancestry to both Africa and Europe, which they said was logical since the region formed a bridge for movement back and forth between the areas.

Also, they noted, they found a close a relationship between the Yakut population of Siberia and native Americans, who are believed to have migrated from Siberia via a land bridge at a time of lower sea levels.

Read more: Man Did Originate from Africa – More Evidence | MedIndia http://www.medindia.net/news/Man-Did-Or ... z1V3DNpQiA

If you think of all the possibilities, this cast a lot of doubt on the theories you wrongly call facts.