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Can't say I'm as concerned, honestly. I like the suggestions on that ROAR sign, for one.

All I'm doing is calling the kettle black, Will CUDA and Heretic. If you don't like that label, join a different political party without the xenophobic leader.

http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/ ... rty-leader

By the way, I'm no angel. I have my foibles and biases. I've never claimed to be perfect. However, it's not racism that I'm particularly guilty of, but perhaps I should be called a bigot for my intolerance of religion. I guess you could call me a "theophobe".

Sergeant Thorne wrote:I agree with maybe 40% of what TC quoted up there. The remaining 60% is insane. A hodge-podge liberal, socialist, anarchistic pipe-dream.

Edit: Actually 40% is pretty high. It's probably closer to 20%. A strong movement in America needs real thinkers, not these lame-brained, hippie college kids/grads who put forth half a thought and fill the void with favored socialist ideals and a reckless combination of angst and anarchism.

Most movements do start out disorganized and unfocused. It will be interesting to see if things coalesce around a main theme, or the whole thing just falls apart because of lack of leadership, direction or apathy. It depends on how pissed off people really are.

We've been having our own little "Occupy Corvallis" Duper. It's been located at the Bank of America building on and off. I'm beginning to think that B of A and their new steep debit card fees may have escalated the movement.

A funny side note about hippies. I was attending a speaking engagement at Oregon State University a few days ago. During the meeting, the announcement about Steve Jobs' death came through everyone's phone and it became part of the discussion. The speaker at one point referred to Jobs as a techno-hippie. Several students piped up and asked what a "hippie" was. I guess 40 years is long enough for the new generations to forget parts of the past.

tunnelcat wrote:All I'm doing is calling the kettle black, Will CUDA and Heretic. If you don't like that label, join a different political party without the xenophobic leader.

you mean we should join the party with the racist leaders??

edit: and I do mean more than one of them

tunnelcat wrote:All I'm doing is calling the kettle black, Will CUDA and Heretic. If you don't like that label, join a different political party without the xenophobic leader. ..

No, you are projecting. And you are displaying, once again, your complete lack of concern for accuracy and truth.
I am not a member of any party. I voted for Obama in the primary and then, in the general election, Libertarian for President and any third party I could find at the lower levels.

You see me attack Obama so you just assign me to be a member of the other side...because to you there is only R and D and so it leaves you no other way to reconcile my opposition to him. I must be one of 'them' since I'm not one of 'you'.

Duper wrote:Now they're here in Portland Oregon



time to go buy some shells for my gun.....

For those that don't live here, the "moto" goes: "Keep Portland Weird". I don't need this here. I say get rid of the stupid while it's all in one place. (I'm kidding of course) but seriously, for those that are all po'd about the Tea Party folks, you had better be more concerned about these guys.

why? Would you prefer a nation sedated on bad TV and celebrity culture while it turns into a third-world country?

Wasn't it a people that was already sedated on bad TV and celebrity culture that got Obama elected in the first place.

Indeed

That certainly doesn't describe anyone I know who voted for Obama.

I think a great deal of people who had never voted in their lives, voted for Obama. It throwed the balance from the norm. I don't think it will happen this time. People are waking up.

Heretic wrote:Wasn't it a people that was already sedated on bad TV and celebrity culture that got Obama elected in the first place.

hardly. It was actually the first upwelling of some political interest by those under 30.

well, my fears are coming true

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninsca ... m_at_w.php

hee, CafePress

CUDA wrote:and yet you consistently accuse everyone of every type of "ism" all the while feigning innocence when called on those accusations.

everyone? I haven't been accused of anything from her. I feel so left out.

CUDA wrote:you mean we should join the party with the racist leaders??

edit: and I do mean more than one of them

Uh huh. Deflect from the obvious by projecting (thank you Heretic) my point back on me. Typical. Not one word in defense or condemnation about your exulted tea party "leader" either. But I guess he wears his racism on his sleeve, I'll hand that to him. Oh but wait, that sign he was carrying caused a big ruckus, so someone Photoshoped it to a "cleaner and less racist" message. Unfortunately, it says a lot about him and his followers.

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.c ... f_raci.php

Just so you don't think I'm alone, another more famous person also holds the same beliefs.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2011/sep ... cism-obama

On the main topic, Republican, or should I say tea party shill, Eric Cantor, is out whining about the protesters, that they're "pitting Americans against Americans" and criticizing those evil Dems for praising their cause:

http://thehill.com/video/house/186189-c ... ern?page=7

Poor baby! So Eric and crew, you and your ilk stir the pot during the Health Care fiasco with your tea party uprising and expect everyone to now bow down and play nice? What comes around goes around. They shall reap what they sow.



Edit: Sorry Ferno, I guess you weren't on my sh*t list at the moment.

You wrote:Those who lay claim to innocence with the loudest of denials about a particular thing they say they are against, are most likely guilty of doing or harboring that thing themselves. It's called "self denial by throwing the blame back against the accuser",

You wrote:Typical. Not one word in defense or condemnation about your exulted tea party "leader" either.

MAKE UP YOUR MIND do you want me to defend them or Shut up.
you are truly an impossible person to debate with. Typical woman

I'll reprint something I wrote on the other board CUDA and I frequent:

.......I see no reason that any real American citizen ought not be overjoyed at such public demonstration, and wish to see it become both massive and nationwide. As you know, I've been on here, painted endlessly as some sort of far-leftist, trying to make a basic point: We have the government, or lack thereof, which we, as a nation deserve. Obama had it right, we have become soft. We have become unconcerned, uninvolved, focused on instant celebrities, TV mental mush and petty political bickering driven by a 24 hour news cycle and a profit-centered media. Europeans, by and large, don't settle for lack of public responsiveness, or massive waste from their governments. They demonstrate, they strike, they fight back. And, it works. For every Faux News horror story painted about the economic demise of the European system, you have nations like Germany, which offers far better social services and support, yet has a robust economy and is actually facing a shortage of skilled industrial workers.
The Scandinavian nations are damned near as Socialist as any on the planet, yet they thrive. Here in the US, the public gets bent over repeatedly and is expected to roll over and take it. Maybe the Tea Party, if nothing else, started a grassroots groundswell. Maybe Occupy will add to that. Maybe, as a nation, we will wake up and demand a fair shake for the working people of the nation. It is a disgrace that the richest nation on the planet has a half-assed healthcare insurance system, forces workers to work without paid vacations, doesn't subsidize low-income housing, and doesn't have a true living retirement system for all. Maybe, in my lifetime, that can change. Or, maybe, as I've long feared, we will just continue the slide to a modern feudalism with a small percentage of well-off folks living separately from a mass of unwashed, underfed peasants. Time will tell.

CUDA wrote:you are truly an impossible person to debate with. Typical woman

sexist.

callmeslick wrote:

CUDA wrote:you are truly an impossible person to debate with. Typical woman

sexist.

Realist

CUDA wrote:

callmeslick wrote: sexist.

Realist

was considering another 'ist' reply, but you get the gist, without us starting a list.

I wonder how much socialism we could afford if we had the same military budget as Finland or even Germany, as a percentage of GDP?
Maybe NATO could send out some back due invoices from the last couple decades and distribute the new found revenue relative to the protectorate countries contribution to the forces and resources they each provided (read:99% U.S.A.)...how much does Finland owe us? Germany? Etc. Etc.

What is the fiscal contribution to the rest of the world in other non-defense catagories by a country like Belgium or Finland compared to that of the U.S.?

Point being, it's not exactly a fair comparison pitting the U.S.'s ability to fund social programs like those provided by a government like Norway or even Germany when they have a much lower ratio of fiscal bleeding to feed and protect so much of the rest of the world.

Canada looks pretty solvent compared to us, how does their military budget compare? I believe they spend about one fourth what we do...Germany the same...all those other countries you compared us to probably much less than one fourth!

Personally I'd love to see us consolidate our forces in two areas...swift strike assassination type special forces so we can go in and take the head off of snakes and pull out. And total annihilation capability for countries that respect the whole mutual destruction paradigm.
Take the rest of our money and fund Obama Care and any other wonderfully progressive perks-for-all we can afford.

But you have to be willing to go out and murder scary people when ever they make noise. People like Slapnut Ahmadinejad for funding so much terrorism around the world and when some whiny biotch complains in the comfort of his office in Belgium we simply tell him to piss off. and when Putin takes back half of the Soviet turf in the next decade we let him and when those more erudite europeans you seem to respect start whining about that you tell them sorry, we have insurance payments and 3-month-with-salary-paid vacations to pay for so we can't afford to concern ourselves with their new blood thirsty neighbor who is eyeballing their backyard.
We could draw up the world into three divisions: The U.S. and friends - The U.S.S.R. II - and China. Each with enough nukes to blow the world up and all those comfortable little places in between can become DMZ's...places like Finland and Belgium..DMZ's with really great benefits though...for a while....

i don't know if it's one quarter will, but we're spending roughly 53 billion over the next five years.

we have that much in our carrier fleet.

callmeslick wrote:I'll reprint something I wrote on the other board CUDA and I frequent:

.......I see no reason that any real American citizen ought not be overjoyed at such public demonstration, and wish to see it become both massive and nationwide.

Mayor Bloomberg would have a different view as the demonstrators are causing a burden on the cities budget. Even democrat Ed
Rendell says it is time for the demonstrators to go home. I wonder when they leave if they will clean up after themselves like the people at the Tea Party demonstrations did? Overjoyed? Only in your world Slick. I'm embarrassed that the world sees what dregs the protestors are, especially the one dolt when asked what he'd replace capitalism with could only stand there like a deer in the the headlights. What you see there are the future fast food and gas station employees who will forever bemoan the fact they can't become just like the people they are protesting against

Yeah their idiots and know nothing of garnering public support or good opinion. Some friends of ours were in DC this last weekend. They said the protesters were hollering at them and actually assaulted a guard at the Museum of Space and Aeronautics which resulted in it being closed for the rest of the day. Just like the hippies of old, this young, misguided and ignorant group of kids are gonna create an atmosphere of more restrictions and laws on the books that take even more of our freedoms away. I like the fact that they have no head, which would make it easier to kill, but they have no real direction. They are just pissed off.

In 2010:

U.S. 4.7% of GDP ...... = $698,105,000,000
Canada 1.5% of GDP .. = $21,800,000,000
Germany 1.4% of GDP =. $46,848,000,000
Norway 1.6 of GDP = ........ $6,200,000,000

If we adopted the Norwegian ratio for defense into our budget we would have roughly $450 billion spare change to fund ObamaCare every year without cutting any spending or raising taxes.
I think maybe it's time we sharpened our self-defense swords and started getting a little bit selfish on a global basis.
Really, who cares if half of Europe becomes Soviet? Let Putin figure out how to feed and protect them, I want 90 days on the beach paid every year and free healthcare instead of worrying about a bunch of whiny biotches.

I think, for the first time ever, I agree with Will.

Will Robinson wrote:I wonder how much socialism we could afford if we had the same military budget as Finland or even Germany, as a percentage of GDP?

it would be a nice goal, now, wouldn't it? Why the heck don't we scale it back quite a bit?

woodchip wrote:Mayor Bloomberg would have a different view as the demonstrators are causing a burden on the cities budget.

which, I suppose, is why he said they would be welcome in New York for as long as they wish to stay, just last evening.


then again, you do have the Republican nitwit, Rep. Peter King, of New York, who opined,
""It's really important for us not to give any legitimacy to these people in the streets," King said. "I remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets, and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy. We can't allow that to happen."


What? A public movement shaping policy? How un-American! Where was this loon, or for that matter, yourownself, Woodchip, when they were teaching American history? This nation was forged out of civil disobedience, founded by men who were as radical as any on the planet in their day. I dare say the participants in the Boston Tea Party weren't all hung up over whether the 'mess was cleaned up'. Geez, what a tool of the status quo? And, I'll bet you are part of the 95%(more accurate that 99%, but not as good a slogan item) that has been sinking like a brick economically for the past 3 decades. What a good little lapdog you are for your masters! Attaboy!

CUDA wrote:

You wrote:MAKE UP YOUR MIND do you want me to defend them or Shut up.
you are truly an impossible person to debate with. Typical woman

All you've done is attack me, not answer the accusations about racism in the tea party. Denialist.

Run Geraldo, run!

hilarious video, TC, I am borrowing that link, thanks!

I agree with the nitwit. Those crowds make us all look like a bunch of uneducated "rubes" with no restraint, and the only result from those demonstrations of the 60's was a great loss of personal liberties. Storming the castle gates might sound like a great story line Slick but it always has the same result.

tunnelcat wrote:All you've done is attack me,

NO all we've done is call you on the crap you spew. if you feel that's a personal attack then quit spewing crap

not answer the accusations about racism in the tea party. Denialist.

We've been down this road before. and you made a fool out of yourself the last time you tried to take us there. are you really attempting to go at it again?
You continually accuse the Tea-Party of being Racist. and you have accused people that don't agree with Obama as being racist. its seems to me you like calling people racist. you do it enough.
I've found that those that scream racist the loudest are usually the biggest offenders. and you constantly scream racist.
In regards to you accusations about the tea party, I'm sure you'll claim that Herman Cains getting tea party support is just a ploy to cover up their Inherent racism, or that Cain is an Uncle Tom, like many of the liberal blacks out there. of course I'm sure you agree with what Harry Belafonte said this week. if your a black conservative your a Bad Apple (not a true black). who's the racist with that comment?

Congressional records show it was Democrats that strongly opposed the passage of the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments. These three Amendments were introduced by Republicans to abolish slavery, give citizenship to all African Americans born in the United States and, give Blacks the right to vote.
Congressional records show that Democrats were opposed to passing the following laws that were introduced by Republicans to achieve civil rights for African Americans:

Civil Rights Act 1866
Reconstruction Act of 1867
Freedman Bureau Extension Act of 1866
Enforcement Act of 1870
Force Act of 1871
Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871
Civil Rights Act of 1875
Civil Rights Act of 1957
Civil Rights Act of 1960

And during the 60's many Democrats fought hard to defeat the

1964 Civil Rights Act
1965 Voting Rights Acts
1972 Equal Employment Opportunity Act
Court records shows that it was the Democrats that supported the Dred Scott Decision. The decision classified Blacks and property rather than people. It was also the racist Jim Crow practices initiated by Democrats that brought about the two landmark cases of Plessy v Ferguson and Brown v. The Board of Education.

On December 15, 1994, federal Judge David V. Kenyon issued a court order to the Clinton Administration in the Case of Fairchild v Robert Reich Secretary of Labor (#CV92-5765 Kn). The order demanded that Secretary Reich and the Clinton Administration force 100 west coast shipping to develop an Affirmative Action plan to stop discrimination against, African Americans, Hispanics, Female and Disabled Workers. Female employees were being sexually harrassed, Hispanic were being denied promotions and training, Disable Workers were being laid off, and African Americans were being force to work in an environment where they had job classification called " ★■◆● Jobs." Clinton left office six years later and never complied with the court order. The companies still do not have an Affirmative Action Plan.

one has to wonder who the real party of the racists are don't we?

I can go on about more FACTS about the racism through out the history and even currently in the DNC if you'd like, there's a TON of proof out there.
but as of yet you've not proved 1 thing about racism in the Tea-Party, you've shown us a pic or two of some one claiming to be a Tea-party member with a racist sign. but no evidence of ANYONE elected in the Tea-party with any connections to anything racist, just your incessant spewing of unsubstantiated claims

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:Mayor Bloomberg would have a different view as the demonstrators are causing a burden on the cities budget.

which, I suppose, is why he said they would be welcome in New York for as long as they wish to stay, just last evening.

Which is the problem with your diminutive intellect being unable to look back more than a day:

"On the 20th day of the “Occupy Wall Street” protest, Mayor Michael Bloomberg weighed in on the movement. He mostly criticized the group and said their actions are hurting the economy and tourism sector."

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/07/ ... g-tourism/

Do try Slick, to better research your replies.

callmeslick wrote: then again, you do have the Republican nitwit, Rep. Peter King, of New York, who opined,
""It's really important for us not to give any legitimacy to these people in the streets," King said. "I remember what happened in the 1960s when the left-wing took to the streets, and somehow the media glorified them and it ended up shaping policy. We can't allow that to happen."

I guess Dem. Ed Rendell is just as big a nitwit eh? Nice try at deflection but sadly you fail

callmeslick wrote:What? A public movement shaping policy? How un-American! Where was this loon, or for that matter, yourownself, Woodchip, when they were teaching American history? This nation was forged out of civil disobedience, founded by men who were as radical as any on the planet in their day. I dare say the participants in the Boston Tea Party weren't all hung up over whether the 'mess was cleaned up'. Geez, what a tool of the status quo?

So somehow you want to equate a demonstration like the Boston Tea Party, where the issue was taxation and foreign control with a bunch of protestors to damned lazy to go out and work? The only tool here is you Slick, a veritable knife in the liberal drawer...unfortunately not sharpest one.

callmeslick wrote:And, I'll bet you are part of the 95%(more accurate that 99%, but not as good a slogan item) that has been sinking like a brick economically for the past 3 decades. What a good little lapdog you are for your masters! Attaboy!

Actually Slick I'm a millwork contractor and I have as much work now as I ever have. Since my business is a corporation I guess that makes me one of those greedy corporate types. And I'm part of the 53%, you know...the ones that pay taxes. So keep being a tool for your liberal paymasters and perhaps someday you will wean yourself off that dependency teat and actually grow up.

flip wrote:Yeah their idiots and know nothing of garnering public support or good opinion. Some friends of ours were in DC this last weekend. They said the protesters were hollering at them and actually assaulted a guard at the Museum of Space and Aeronautics which resulted in it being closed for the rest of the day. Just like the hippies of old, this young, misguided and ignorant group of kids are gonna create an atmosphere of more restrictions and laws on the books that take even more of our freedoms away. I like the fact that they have no head, which would make it easier to kill, but they have no real direction. They are just pissed off.

the pepper spray incident, which I think you are referring to, seems to have been instigated not by the Occupy people, but by a right-wing infiltrator, who got outed on Monday night. For my part, I was down in Philly for a while yesterday, and conversed with a very diverse and pleasant group of concerned citizens. Unfocused, sure. Mixed messages, yup. These things take time to firm up, and these folks know where the problems lie, and will hopefully work to raise awareness of the whole public as to how to address them.

Woodchip, a glance at TV(several networks) last evening showed Bloomberg AGAIN stating that the Occupy Wall Street folks are welcome to stay in New York, as long as they are generally law abiding. Which they have been.

And, yes, I will equate the Boston Tea Party to the present. The issue, stated at that point, was Taxation without Representation. That is essentially where we are presently. 95% plus of the public has virtually zero input into government, yet pays taxes. You say you are in the 53% who pay taxes, I have a clue for you: EVERYONE pays taxes, in the form of excise taxes, fees, etc. EVERYONE. Yet, few have real access to their representatives, fewer still have any effective access to either the representatives NOR the process which determines who gets to be their representatives.

I am glad you have work at present. I trust you have adequate income to pay for your family's needs down the road, and hope you are prepared to compete when it becomes far more common to bring in foreign construction crews. Just because your picture looks nice now, it doesn't mean you are:1) going to see that picture down the road, or 2) in control of your economic destiny. And, I still suspect that you have no clue as to what I refer to as 'sinking like a brick' or why I can safely assert same.

Amazing that some people here on the DBB can look at a spontaneous grass roots uprising of political dissent and see that it has a broad spectrum of people drawn to it and recognize the only common thread between them all is an unhappiness with our political leadership.
Yet the same people can look at another similar spontaneous coalescence of diverse political protesters on another day, selectively pick out some comments from a small small hateful minority within the group and then proclaim that whole group is motivated only by racial hatred!

Weird....I wonder what the reason is they have such inconsistent judgement? Almost like a mental deficiency! Some kind of syndrome waiting to be named no doubt.

Slick, if your protestors were true to themselves they would be marching in front of Freddie and Fannie. They would be going to the homes of Barney and Chris. And most importantly they would be marching in front of the White House where the single biggest destroyer of our economy lives. Until then the protestors are manipulated dunces, string pulled by those who want to promote class warfare and keep themselves in power.

Ok now it's game over. Where is null and his bring-up-Hitler-lose-all-validity rule he's so fond of? Or TC who declares the Tea Party is what ever the worst member of the group represents?

Because following the demo-hacks logic the Wall Street Protesters are nothing but racists probably funded by the Ku Klux Klan or Rom Emanuel.

flip wrote:I agree with the nitwit. Those crowds make us all look like a bunch of uneducated "rubes" with no restraint, and the only result from those demonstrations of the 60's was a great loss of personal liberties. Storming the castle gates might sound like a great story line Slick but it always has the same result.

funny, a guy who probably has no problem with loons on Medicare expressing outrage at government healthcare, and frothing about death panels worries about what 'all of us' look like.

The result of the 60's demonstrations was a National will to get the hell out of Vietnam. It worked, King knows it, and for that, is willing to squelch the Constitutional mandate of Free Speech and Assembly. Nice.

Will Robinson wrote:Amazing that some people here on the DBB can look at a spontaneous grass roots uprising of political dissent and see that it has a broad spectrum of people drawn to it and recognize the only common thread between them all is an unhappiness with our political leadership.
Yet the same people can look at another similar spontaneous coalescence of diverse political protesters on another day, selectively pick out some comments from a small small hateful minority within the group and then proclaim that whole group is motivated only by racial hatred!

Weird....I wonder what the reason is they have such inconsistent judgement? Almost like a mental deficiency! Some kind of syndrome waiting to be named no doubt.

or, might it be that the latter group has had time to formulate more of a distinct persona?