Something for you unbelievers to consider

[flip]

Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man's eyes.

Why? Is it because man himself is made of dirt and this guy was born without eyes? So he takes some of the building blocks and makes him some? Or did he just magically create an eyeball? Why the use of dirt here?

[CUDA]

flip, as I am so fond of tell my 2nd son. you cannot club someone into the Kingdom of God

[flip]

Heh, I'm just giving Slick something to amuse himself with, others to mock at and some to further encourage their faith.

[CUDA]

As your faith is strengthened you will find that there is no longer the need to have a sense of control, that things will flow as they will, and that you will flow with them, to your great delight and benefit.

Emmanuel Teney

[vision]

Did I just witness a meltdown?

[flip]

No, it was a declaration of just how much of the word I have right in my head, and how much you don't. Thus the reason we can not reason. Now, we can talk about small block chevy's if you want or just how awesome the cvt's in the Nissans are

[flip]

These things are awesome!

Nissan CVT

These car make for the most fun aggresive, defensive driving you ever had. I'm not too hard on it, but I own the road too . LOL, great fun driving these cars.

[callmeslick]

flip, as I am so fond of tell my 2nd son. you cannot club someone into the Kingdom of God

come on, CUDA, typing 6 responses to ones ownself is such an impressive debate technique. Especially, when you fail to even come close to addressing my single point. Funny way of putting things though, with the 'clubbing' part!

[CUDA]

I cannot force you to believe. everyone must come to it on their own. it's not my place to try and convince you. just to plant the seed and move on.

5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans.

6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel.

7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’

8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts—

10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep.

11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their
house until you leave.

12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting.

13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you.

14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet.

15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

[callmeslick]

No, it was a declaration of just how much of the word I have right in my head, and how much you don't

and, judging from this sentence, you declare how little made it into your heart. Plus, you're still ducking legitimate debate, and declaring others unfit to debate you is both insulting to them and makes you look ignorant.




.

[callmeslick]

I cannot force you to believe. everyone must come to it on their own. it's not my place to try and convince you. just to plant the seed and move on.

exactly true.

[CUDA]

I'd like to point to a few here

For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but rather think of yourself with sober judgment, in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you

[Sergeant Thorne]

I realize I will be seen as a biased party, but I am not flip, and I am not making flip's argument. That said my opinion is that flip's disinclination to pursue an argument outside of the stipulations he has made does not stem from dishonesty or an attempt to cloud an issue not truly in his favor. Two things are a safe bet, in my experience in dealing with non-Christians and most people who call themselves Christians alike--if they think they understand Christianity, their understanding of Biblical Christianity is really very shallow, and based on a perception gained from relatively few sources--even if those sources are sound--and filled in with assumptions and historical and popular culture images. Most people have never read the whole Bible, and even if they have, they have not read it to understand it as a whole, but merely as familiar or familiar-sounding bits of old poetic script. It really is an incredible mind-block to see from the inside out (particularly in the way it plagues even "Christians"). To approach the Bible studiously as a complete work (and indeed the continuity does bear out) is to gain an entirely different picture, and will quite frankly put your understanding at odds with most of the denominations of our (or any) day.

[flip]

and, judging from this sentence, you declare how little made it into your heart. Plus, you're still ducking legitimate debate, and declaring others unfit to debate you is both insulting to them and makes you look ignorant.

I'm ok with that .

[Jeff250]

Everyone has made their point. Time to move along.