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woodchip wrote:Obama should sign the bill and stop acting like a little child whose baseball is being taken away

A rather amusing analogy since the majority of republicans are basically trying to take their ball and go home unless they can kill ACA.

The problem with the all the conservatives around here is they believe greatly in the concept that government can't work and can't ever accomplish anything, and they elect people with the same belief, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If you want to see government actually work and function properly, next time try electing someone who believes it can instead of electing someone who believes it can't and will do everything in their power to make sure they are right.

You know Krom, You are one of the last people I would expect to place “conservatives” in one big box….shame on you.

tunnelcat wrote:Yeah, but only 36% think the government should require every American to buy health insurance. 50% are opposed

having a large pool of uninsured is the #1 driver for hidden cost rises, and has been for over two decades. Why on Earth are you acting like this is desirable? Just because 60% of the public don't grasp this doesn't change the reality.

woodchip wrote: I don't think a lot of people really understood how Obamacare was going to affect them...
I think in just the last couple of months the effects are finally starting to be understood.

in the past two months, the senitment has swung toward favorable. Very barely, but what you are claiming is utter nonsense.

woodchip wrote:]

You do realize back when Gingrich shut the govt. down the republicans gained 2 Senate seats.

...in a year when they should have won about 6. Further, Clinton won re-election despite a lot of baggage and the Dems gained in the House. Gingrich lost his job because of it(yes, there were other excuses used, but.....)

Yeah, and we got a petri dish to work the kinks out on and drum up some much needed cash at the same time.

callmeslick wrote:having a large pool of uninsured is the #1 driver for hidden cost rises, and has been for over two decades.

That’s total bull★■◆●…

That premise is based on 2 things, faulty logic & faulty numbers.

1. Faulty Numbers…That being only a small percentage of someone’s health insurance premium is due to the uninsured…which generally go without care! You can’t get a liver transplant at the ER!!!!
2. Faulty Logic…it’s like saying your pizza cost too much because there were only 4 people chipping in, instead of 5. Faulty Logic at its best! (worst)

Now from my perspective it’s you dammed insured people who have driven the price of health care out of “MY” range, leaving me to do without…instead of simply buying it when I need to.

Please explain why a simple eye operation that takes 10 minutes to perform and has a total cost of less than 1000.00 dollars costs on average 10 grand, and they can do it in India for like 500 bucks.

Well don’t bother…Because I already know the answer…Medicare!!!

Spidey wrote:You know Krom, You are one of the last people I would expect to place “conservatives” in one big box….shame on you.

I'm going to jump to his defense by pointing out he said "conservatives around here," which I took to mean this board. He would definitely have enough material to make that statement. And really, regardless of political slant his comment about self-fulfilling prophecy is sound.

Krom wrote:The problem with the all the conservatives around here is they believe greatly in the concept that government can't work and can't ever accomplish anything, and they elect people with the same belief, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If you want to see government actually work and function properly, next time try electing someone who believes it can instead of electing someone who believes it can't and will do everything in their power to make sure they are right.

We tried.......with Obama. Twice.

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:]

You do realize back when Gingrich shut the govt. down the republicans gained 2 Senate seats.

...in a year when they should have won about 6. Further, Clinton won re-election despite a lot of baggage and the Dems gained in the House. Gingrich lost his job because of it(yes, there were other excuses used, but.....)

And I should of won the lottery. Worlds filled with should of's...using them makes for a poor argument.

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote: I don't think a lot of people really understood how Obamacare was going to affect them...
I think in just the last couple of months the effects are finally starting to be understood.

in the past two months, the senitment has swung toward favorable. Very barely, but what you are claiming is utter nonsense.

Latest Rasmussen report...only 36% of Americans approve. Hardly a swing towards favorable. Where do you get you get your info from? Debbie Wasserman Schultz ?

callmeslick wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:Yeah, but only 36% think the government should require every American to buy health insurance. 50% are opposed

having a large pool of uninsured is the #1 driver for hidden cost rises, and has been for over two decades. Why on Earth are you acting like this is desirable? Just because 60% of the public don't grasp this doesn't change the reality.

No, the real driver in cost are all the states that let only one or two insurance companies operate in their state. Open up the states for more competition and you will see insurance premiums go down.

slick, the number of uninsured isn't going to change much at all, even according to Obama's own administrations projections.

With regard to the number insured all he's done is shuffle the proverbial deck chairs on the Titanic and forced young people to pay an extremely higher rate than they were going to pay if they chose to buy coverage before the mandate became law.

And how do you loyal lefties defend congressional exemption from the law? Elitist, ruling class bullfeces at it's finest!

woodchip wrote:

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote: I don't think a lot of people really understood how Obamacare was going to affect them...
I think in just the last couple of months the effects are finally starting to be understood.

in the past two months, the senitment has swung toward favorable. Very barely, but what you are claiming is utter nonsense.

Latest Rasmussen report...only 36% of Americans approve. Hardly a swing towards favorable. Where do you get you get your info from? Debbie Wasserman Schultz ?

Gallup. I sure don't get it from Rasmussen, a known GOP polling organization.

Will Robinson wrote:slick, the number of uninsured isn't going to change much at all, even according to Obama's own administrations projections.

With regard to the number insured all he's done is shuffle the proverbial deck chairs on the Titanic and forced young people to pay an extremely higher rate than they were going to pay if they chose to buy coverage before the mandate became law.

And how do you loyal lefties defend congressional exemption from the law? Elitist, ruling class bullfeces at it's finest!

speaking of bovine fecal matter, do you realize you have made at least 8 posts in here, with not one actual example to back your suppositions? You have no clue(nor do I) how many people will be uninsured on Jan 1. You have offered no facts about the percentage losing current insurance SPECIFICALLY due to the ACA. On and on. The right is clearly trying to spread the manure thick in a desperate last-ditch attempt to derail the ACA. It won't work.

First off vision he said “all the conservatives around here” and yes I got that he was speaking only about this board.

I’m a conservative, and I don’t believe the government can’t do anything, in fact I have made the point that government does the things it was designed to do pretty well…it’s just when it starts doing stuff it’s not really good at, then the wheels come flying off the cart.

Hell, I just got finished explaining how “government” in partnership with the private sector could help insure farmers have workers, and help young people at the same time.

So I’m pretty sure that disproves the “all the conservatives around here” theory.

Spidey wrote:First off vision he said “all the conservatives around here” and yes I got that he was speaking only about this board.

it's odd, I originally read it as referring to 'in his locale'.....but, you all are winning me to your point of view.

Well, if he meant in his locale, then my statement doesn’t apply, but I have a hard time believing he knows what all of the conservatives in his locale are thinking.

Spidey, I wouldn't really put you in that group. Actually I'd say you are closer to liberal on the spectrum of this forum.

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote: I don't think a lot of people really understood how Obamacare was going to affect them...
I think in just the last couple of months the effects are finally starting to be understood.

in the past two months, the senitment has swung toward favorable. Very barely, but what you are claiming is utter nonsense.

Latest Rasmussen report...only 36% of Americans approve. Hardly a swing towards favorable. Where do you get you get your info from? Debbie Wasserman Schultz ?

Gallup. I sure don't get it from Rasmussen, a known GOP polling organization.

Funny how you use Rasmussen when it fits your narrative.

tunnelcat wrote:

Krom wrote:The problem with the all the conservatives around here is they believe greatly in the concept that government can't work and can't ever accomplish anything, and they elect people with the same belief, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If you want to see government actually work and function properly, next time try electing someone who believes it can instead of electing someone who believes it can't and will do everything in their power to make sure they are right.

We tried.......with Obama. Twice.

you're delusional.

Krom wrote:Spidey, I wouldn't really put you in that group. Actually I'd say you are closer to liberal on the spectrum of this forum.

Ouch, that hurt.

callmeslick wrote:

Will Robinson wrote:slick, the number of uninsured isn't going to change much at all, even according to Obama's own administrations projections.

With regard to the number insured all he's done is shuffle the proverbial deck chairs on the Titanic and forced young people to pay an extremely higher rate than they were going to pay if they chose to buy coverage before the mandate became law.

And how do you loyal lefties defend congressional exemption from the law? Elitist, ruling class bullfeces at it's finest!

speaking of bovine fecal matter, do you realize you have made at least 8 posts in here, with not one actual example to back your suppositions? You have no clue(nor do I) how many people will be uninsured on Jan 1. You have offered no facts about the percentage losing current insurance SPECIFICALLY due to the ACA. On and on. The right is clearly trying to spread the manure thick in a desperate last-ditch attempt to derail the ACA. It won't work.

Well lets get it straight slick, first off, I never said anything about how many people are losing coverage!! So let me just kick that red herring off the side of the road...
Now, stay on track please... in spite of your saying that no one knows how many will be insured, Obama certainly did claim to know how many people were uninsured and how many his legislation would move from the uninsured category to the insured category! He shouted it from every campaign stump he could. He claimed it was the fundamental reason why we couldn't afford to not implement Obamacare!

Now you want a source for the projections you say I have no source for.
You can huff and puff all you want about how I am making it up, but I'm simply quoting his team.

Obama said:

“If you’re one of the 30 million Americans who don’t yet have health insurance, starting in 2014, this law will offer you an array of quality, affordable, private health insurance plans to choose from,”

According to Obama's administration via the Congressional Budget Office, there will still be 30 million uninsured people a decade from now!

So you do the math...30 is to 30 as no change is to no change...here in Realville anyway...out there in slickville I'm sure you see things differently.

CUDA wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:

Krom wrote:The problem with the all the conservatives around here is they believe greatly in the concept that government can't work and can't ever accomplish anything, and they elect people with the same belief, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If you want to see government actually work and function properly, next time try electing someone who believes it can instead of electing someone who believes it can't and will do everything in their power to make sure they are right.

We tried.......with Obama. Twice.

you're delusional.

I'm delusional? Let's see, the first choice was McCain/Palin. Mmmmmmmmmmm, naaa. An old warmonger and a looney tea partier with the smarts of a toadstool. I'd rather pull out my fingernails for entertainment. Then next up was Romney/Ryan. A no brainer there too. We'd just be exchanging one set of greedy, government ruining jerks with the same type of greedy, government ruining jerks we already have. Come on! We need some realistic choices man!

tunnelcat wrote:

CUDA wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:

Krom wrote:The problem with the all the conservatives around here is they believe greatly in the concept that government can't work and can't ever accomplish anything, and they elect people with the same belief, which becomes a self fulfilling prophecy. If you want to see government actually work and function properly, next time try electing someone who believes it can instead of electing someone who believes it can't and will do everything in their power to make sure they are right.

We tried.......with Obama. Twice.

you're delusional.

I'm delusional? Let's see, the first choice was McCain/Palin. Mmmmmmmmmmm, naaa. An old warmonger and a looney tea partier with the smarts of a toadstool. I'd rather pull out my fingernails for entertainment. Then next up was Romney/Ryan. A no brainer there too. We'd just be exchanging one set of greedy, government ruining jerks with the same type of greedy, government ruining jerks we already have. Come on! We need some realistic choices man!

So you stuck with the idiot you knew....

It was a choice between worsest, worser and worse. I chose worse.

callmeslick wrote:way to go, House!! Stock market opens down around 200 points(Dow index)......and wait until these loons start playing games with debt payments by the US. On the latter, I really hope that Obama uses the constitutional power granted to him and just enables all debts to be paid.

So what the hell is he waiting for?