anyone really surprised?

[CUDA]

If he commited a crime. Convict him and send him to prison. But again as of yet all we have is conflicting domestic abuse reports

[Will Robinson]

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no, the paperwork which came out, showed the AG's office merely sent a dozen observers(standard in any high tension situation). No one from the Federal government bussed a damned soul in, and no one has ever shown ANY evidence that they did.

No, the paperwork that came out shows they sent people in before things were "high tension". In addition to the payroll they spent around $5000 on getting things done. If they were only responding to a 'high tension' situation in Sanford the Justice Department's Community Relations Service wouldn't have had any reason to go arrange a police escort for protesters coming on a bus from Daytona many days before the protest. Helping organize protesters from a campus in Daytona to arrive to feed the fire is not trying to diffuse the situation. That isn't what the Community Relations Service was all about until we got a President with a background in community aggitation.

The DOJ’s , CRS, has been around since the '60's. Their purview had always been reacting to racial tensions and then helping to diffuse it. But under Obama have they changed from reaction to proactive. The two places they went was to help with these protests in Sanford, in part, by way of making sure the students in Daytona were organized and the other place across the state in Tampa, at the site of the Republican National Convention. Of course Obama was just concerned with Romney's security...right?
He wasn't enjoying taking a political shot at them by bringing the specter of racial tension to lay it on the doorstep of the GOP's convention. Noooo! No Way!

Big state, big country....no other locations on the CRS agenda...
slick, your the big smart guy with political savy....but now you get to pretend to be dumb and say No Way.

The Orlando Sentinel reported earlier in the same week that the DOJ's Community Relations Service 'helped set up a meeting between the local NAACP and elected officials that led to the temporary resignation of police Chief Bill Lee.'
'They were there for us,' Allen Chapel AME Church pastor Rev. Valarie Houston said at the time.
The Sentinel also reported that Community Relations Service employees arranged a 40-mile police escort for students calling for the police chief's ouster who were traveling from Daytona Beach to Sanford. ...

[CobGobbler]

If he commited a crime. Convict him and send him to prison. But again as of yet all we have is conflicting domestic abuse reports

You aren't noticing a pattern with this guy? He's a detriment to society--the sooner he's gone the better. You know what I find most ironic about all of this? In the 911 calls from both his prior and current girlfriend(s), he brandished a firearm in a threatening manner. Not much left to figure out with this guy--thinks he's Harry Callahan with his gun. He is precisely the kind of person that should NOT have a weapon.

[CUDA]

Never said there wasnt a pattern. But as of yet he hasnt been convicted of anything. Are you suggesting we take away his constitutional rights or put him in prison before he is?

and the word is supposedly.

As in supposedly brandished a fire arm.

[CobGobbler]

Well I hope he's convicted of a felony, that way he can't carry a gun no matter what, even if he doesn't do any time. His two prior girlfriends said the same thing. He clearly did the same to Trayvon. Yeah it's alleged, but it certainly seems likely.

[Tunnelcat]

Here's what Obama and the Justice Department supposedly really did. Not nearly as threatening as what Will stated. If one peruses all the right wing sites, they make it out like Obama and his AG were being heavy handed Nazis or gun suppressing, race baiting freedom haters. Typical. Will's forgetting that many black people were claiming civil rights violations, which is a federal issue and thus needed to be looked into.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/g ... 94130.html

But, who was standing up for the Hispanics?

Makes ya wonder why whites even threw a fit over the whole affair. Zimmerman's not even white.

[Will Robinson]

TC, you are forgetting the FBI had already done the investigation and found there was no validity at all to any civil rights accusations.
The heavy handed political tactics were carried out long AFTER the DOJ had investigated the charges and the race card was completely rejected...this was reported to Holder and Obama and they just kept acting as though it was an open investigation.


They had to do that to justify all their involvement in what was clearly none of the Feds business!

It's easy to do those things when you have supporters like you and slick who will ignore the facts and focus on the spin.

So thanks for reminding us of yet another example of how they politicized the issue!!

[Tunnelcat]

A black kid on his way home from the store gets shot and killed by a white-looking wannabe guard in what seems like an shooting incident without provocation. That's all that's needed to inflame people and call it a civil rights issue, still in this day and age. I don't blame Obama for making his comments, nor asking the Feds to check on it.

Even now, one juror from that case regrets her decision. The man has anger management issues and is a menace with a gun.

http://www.tmz.com/2013/11/19/trayvon-m ... ce-arrest/

[callmeslick]

TC, you are forgetting the FBI had already done the investigation and found there was no validity at all to any civil rights accusations.

actually, that wasn't done until after the State trial verdict was delivered.

The heavy handed political tactics were carried out long AFTER the DOJ had investigated the charges and the race card was completely rejected...this was reported to Holder and Obama and they just kept acting as though it was an open investigation.

see timeline above, and the rest of your claim is pure fiction.

[callmeslick]

still, I see few on the right on this board willing to even consider that Zimmerman is a threat to society and starting to prove himself a sociopath.

[Spidey]

Who knows what kinds of affects killing Martin had on Zimmerman…I bet that guy gets hassled everyday by people.

I have to cut the guy some slack, because I know if people were calling me a dirty racist killer, I might do something stupid.

He was a jerk before, god only knows what he has become.

[CUDA]

Makes ya wonder why whites even threw a fit over the whole affair. Zimmerman's not even white.

tell that to the blacks and the left wing news outlets that continually called him white

edit: correction on race

[vision]

Who knows what kinds of affects killing Martin had on Zimmerman.

Good point. But if that is the case he should seek counseling and it would probably be a good idea to get rid of the guns in the meantime. Somehow I don't see this happening.

Seems some people are willing to admit Martin was probably a good kid and it's unfortunate he died. I think most agree that our justice system worked when Zimm was tried, for the most part. What I'm waiting for is people to finally admit, "yeah this guy is pretty much a sack of sh!t. Maybe not a cold-blooded murderer, but definitely a sack of sh!t."

[Will Robinson]

TC, you are forgetting the FBI had already done the investigation and found there was no validity at all to any civil rights accusations.

actually, that wasn't done until after the State trial verdict was delivered.

No, once again you are just pulling crap out of your ass and pompously making declarations based on nothing but spin. Probably without even bothering to look into the subject!

Two months after the shooting the FBI was in Sanford at the request of Holder looking into the possibility of civil rights violations. That is before the NAACP ever even wrote their letter claiming the white guy stalked the black guy...

The FBI found there was no evidence of any kind to support that claim.

They found evidence of the opposite in fact....Zimmermans prom date who was African american, his mentoring black and latino children, lack of any contemporaneous testimony implicating Zimmerman as a racist or bigot, etc.

And of course the most important part was the detectives who held Zimmerman on the night of the shooting who the FBI interviewed for their investigation into possible civil rights violations and then filed this report on April 5 2012.
The shooting was Feb 27th 2012. The trial was July 13 2013. The FBI had filed their report with Holder LONG BEFORE the trial.

Holder and Obama kept talking about the "investigation" for political theater knowing full well they had NO EVIDENCE of civil rights violations and that they were NOT going to get any....unless you can go pull some out of your magic sphincter for them....
Hell, Alan Dershowitz was on TV complaining they had no evidence before the trial was over!! So please stop making ★■◆● up....or at least stop trying to use your made up crap to counter the facts.

The heavy handed political tactics were carried out long AFTER the DOJ had investigated the charges and the race card was completely rejected...this was reported to Holder and Obama and they just kept acting as though it was an open investigation.

see timeline above, and the rest of your claim is pure fiction.

No, the fictional part is all on you...again and again...

[Tunnelcat]

Ya know? I think Zimmerman should have been charged with a civil rights felony and murder and thrown in jail. He clearly profiled Martin and proceeded with his assumptions of some type of bad behavior on Martin's part. He got a little too macho with his gun and confronted someone he was told to leave to the police. He clearly has a anger management problems and an inflated sense of self importance. He can't even argue with a girlfriend without brandishing a gun and breaking things. Maybe he equates his gun with his dick, I don't know, but it clearly gets him into constant trouble. He shouldn't even own one.

Whatever Obama said publicly during and after the trial, or ordered his AG to do during and after the trial, I don't condemn his actions. He's still a black man living in a country where a lot of blacks and whites still have issues with race. Live with it.

[Will Robinson]

Ya know? I think Zimmerman should have been charged with a civil rights felony and murder and thrown in jail.

He was. Then he was found not guilty so they let him go free. Live with it.

He clearly profiled Martin and proceeded with his assumptions of some type of bad behavior on Martin's part.

Yes, he did. He called the police and admitted as much. They looked into it and decided he might be a bit of a wannabe but knowing that not all profiling is against the law and that he didn't break any laws. They decided the only one who broke the law was the kid who went thug on him. Live with it.

He got a little too macho with his gun and confronted someone he was told to leave to the police.

No, a 911 operator told him they dont need him to follow the suspected thief. The police didn't tell him anything until long after the shooting. Live with it.

He clearly has a anger management problems and an inflated sense of self importance. He can't even argue with a girlfriend without brandishing a gun and breaking things. Maybe he equates his gun with his dick, I don't know, but it clearly gets him into constant trouble. He shouldn't even own one.

Maybe so. Live with it.

Whatever Obama said publicly during and after the trial, or ordered his AG to do during and after the trial, I don't condemn his actions. He's still a black man living in a country where a lot of blacks and whites still have issues with race. Live with it.

He lives on a two way street and he's the ranking traffic cop on that beat. Tell him to get over it.

[callmeslick]

Who knows what kinds of affects killing Martin had on Zimmerman…I bet that guy gets hassled everyday by people.

I have to cut the guy some slack, because I know if people were calling me a dirty racist killer, I might do something stupid.

He was a jerk before, god only knows what he has become.

this, in a nutshell, is my take on the story I posted. The guy was a hothead, with poor judgement, to which he has added the pressure of widespread condemnation and scorn by the public. His story is, sadly, only going to get uglier, I am afraid.

[Foil]

Something I find interesting about that argument ("It's because Zimmerman is under significant stress") is that I'm hearing it mostly from conservative folk. Conservatives tend to reject arguments about outside factors as "excuses", focusing on personal responsibility.

Not necessarily surprising, given that opinions on the trial were often split along party lines... but interesting.

[Will Robinson]

Something I find interesting about that argument ("It's because Zimmerman is under significant stress") is that I'm hearing it mostly from conservative folk. Conservatives tend to reject arguments about outside factors as "excuses", focusing on personal responsibility.

Not necessarily surprising, given that opinions on the trial were often split along party lines... but interesting.

Not all of us. My opinion is you have to follow the law regardless of the stress...or else you might end up getting shot for lashing out....