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vision wrote:Ok, **** those kids. They have no right to be here. They should go back to El Salvador where "“Every day here is Black Friday" [1] and Honduras where the murder rate is 12 times the international average. [2] Greedy brown people from south of the border. How dare they take our civil services that constantly get cut by compassionate Republicans!

You are trying to make an argument against something I never said. Why?

Drop the straw man bull★■◆● and either defend your ridiculous assertion that the administration is 'on top of the problem' or admit they are more behind it than on top of it.

I already told you I'd let them walk in through an open gate. It isn't the illegal immigrants I have a problem with, it is the slimy methods and motives behind creating the problem they have become on so many levels.

The Obama administration is the 'coyote' administration. Among other things equally dispicable.

Curious that the patrol agents that leaked photos of the kids in the detention centers are being threatened with being fired and the "New" policy is to not allow recording devices in the centers. Can't be having another Abu Graeb now can we. Just another nail in the transparency coffin.

Will Robinson wrote:...defend your ridiculous assertion that the administration is 'on top of the problem' or admit they are more behind it than on top of it.

The simple fact they are even moving people around, out of the overcrowded centers, is proof they are on top of it. You make it sound like these folks should have been escorted from our border to posh hotel rooms with room service. Take a look at those images again. There are an awful lot of smiles for such "inhumane" conditions. In the US, anything short of pampering is considered inhumane. But relative to what these people have likely experienced, a short stay in an overcrowded waiting area is nothing. Think about it. Think about how shitty your life would have to be for you to leave your home and travel thousands of miles to attempt an illegal entry into another country. Spending a day or two in a crowded holding area? Big deal. I would do it, easily.

So you want the administration to eliminate the chance of overcrowding by having resources available before we need them? Well, you better talk to your Republican buddies and allocate the funds to do it. So much hypocrisy in this fabricated crisis. Conservatives should be praising the fact we are not wasting money on illegals by having luxurious accommodations for what are essentially criminals, in the legal sense.

I know the points I made aren't hard to recognize but reading your response makes me wonder if anyone could try harder than you to miss them. I think not. And I'm sure that it is a willful ignorance you are wrapping yourself in.

Good luck to you, you'll need it.

This is what callmeslick's front yard will look like shortly:

ThunderBunny wrote:This is what callmeslick's front yard will look like shortly:

funny how you got desperate enough to make personal attacks this quick. My relationships with Hispanic farm workers in VA go back for decades. It is a good one. I am proud to know and work with them, and always gratified to note how quickly former Mexicans and Guatamalans become Virginians, through and through. Sad that those folks have ignorant clowns like TB trying to disrespect them.

Slick you are supposed to get outraged at the brown enemy taking our jobs and disrespecting us. Please try harder to let your inner xenophobe free.

vision wrote:Slick you are supposed to get outraged at the brown enemy taking our jobs and disrespecting us. Please try harder to let your inner xenophobe free.

sorry, I'm not one who tends to cowardice. And that is what xenophobia is, cowardice towards that which you don't understand very well.

vision wrote:Slick you are supposed to get outraged at the brown enemy taking our jobs and disrespecting us. Please try harder to let your inner xenophobe free.

lol. What's funny is that I'm one of the 'brown enemy.'

This is nothing about race you retards- it's about respect for the law (and national sovereignty.)

I know that you want to use 'xenophobia' and race politics to further your destruction of this country- but it's very easy to expose. The problem is few people are listening. Your side of the political spectrum thrives on ignorance and the low information voter.

It's rather insulting as well- the democrats see these illegal aliens as more illiterate and low wage workers that will in turn become low information democrat voters.

So yes- it's in 'your' interest to open the floodgates. Federal and state law be damned. Ends justify the means!

no one wishes to 'open the floodgates'. They just wish to have a sensible immigration policy. A huge part of why we have a problem with illegal immigrants is that some xenophobes made it much harder to become an American legal resident over the past 50 years. Yet, our economy needs the workers, ask any fruit producer, produce agribusiness and a ton of other businesses. To blame immigrants as you do, and others as 'low info voters', etc, etc, is sort of lame. Frankly, if you are of Mexican descent, as you claim, somewhere along the line, some idiots thought ill of your relatives. In fact, this same sort of broad-brush negative image has been aimed at every group that immigrated to the US.

Xenophobia and racism…simple minded excuses from simple minded people who obviously can’t see the complexity of the issue.

And no we don’t need immigrants to do the farm labor, all we need to do is pay a decent wage for the work, and plenty of able young people will be willing to do it…and don’t you dare say anything about the costs involved…mister raise the minimum wage because it will cause a surge in the economy.

If it’s proper to pay 15 bucks to burger flippers, then 15 bucks is appropriate for farm labor…a much harder job.

callmeslick wrote:no one wishes to 'open the floodgates'. They just wish to have a sensible immigration policy. A huge part of why we have a problem with illegal immigrants is that some xenophobes made it much harder to become an American legal resident over the past 50 years. Yet, our economy needs the workers, ask any fruit producer, produce agribusiness and a ton of other businesses. To blame immigrants as you do, and others as 'low info voters', etc, etc, is sort of lame. Frankly, if you are of Mexican descent, as you claim, somewhere along the line, some idiots thought ill of your relatives. In fact, this same sort of broad-brush negative image has been aimed at every group that immigrated to the US.

I'm pretty sure you're racist- and so is Vision. Democrats (leftists) are amongst the worst racists in the country.

some idiots thought ill of your relatives.

Idiots like you and Vision- though you claim to want to 'help' and equalize the playing field; anything that is done is done to further the greater cause of your leftist oligarch masters.

They need a large underclass to serve them politically- and they don't want this underclass to rise in status.

That's why our schools are "failing." It's by design. Upper class leftists don't take their kids through the public school system. They don't let their kids go to school with 'the brown people.' One wonders why.

Leftists want a class of political as well as literal slaves. People that are beholden to the system- and clean your house or mow your lawn- and NEVER anything else.

Spidey wrote:If it’s proper to pay 15 bucks to burger flippers, then 15 bucks is appropriate for farm labor…a much harder job.

agreed, but there's the economics of that. Paying burger flippers 15 per hour results in a 60 cent rise in the price of burgers. Some economic impact, but manageable. Paying farm labor at that rate would double the price of most all produce, many fruits as well. The consumer impact would be huge. I agree it would be fair compensation, but, when you get right down to it, nobody really wants really fair compensation........

ThunderBunny wrote: I'm pretty sure you're racist- and so is Vision. Democrats (leftists) are amongst the worst racists in the country.

so, you base specific claims about two individuals upon some goofy ideological crap. Nice start.....let's work our way through the rest, shall we?

Idiots like you and Vision- though you claim to want to 'help' and equalize the playing field; anything that is done is done to further the greater cause of your leftist oligarch masters.

more ad hominem insults......that always helps to punch up the old prose, eh? Especially when such prose is attempting to put forth utter stupidity.

Upper class leftists don't take their kids through the public school system. They don't let their kids go to school with 'the brown people.' One wonders why.

this one went to public schools, as has every member of his family. I know countless other examples.Once again, you make charges with nothing to back them up. I call BS.

Leftists want a class of political as well as literal slaves. People that are beholden to the system- and clean your house or mow your lawn- and NEVER anything else.

what ever gave you the idea that you could have an inkling of what Democrats, leftists or the like want? Ever talk to one?

callmeslick wrote: what ever gave you the idea that you could have an inkling of what Democrats, leftists or the like want? Ever talk to one?

Yes, you.

TB you are the gift that keeps on giving. Never change.

callmeslick wrote:no one wishes to 'open the floodgates'. They just wish to have a sensible immigration policy. ....

That is laughable. They certainly have opened the floodgates with their policy and messaging.

So are you so full of crap to try and sell that spin or are they really that idiotic that they don't realize the effect their policy has had?

ThunderBunny wrote:

callmeslick wrote: what ever gave you the idea that you could have an inkling of what Democrats, leftists or the like want? Ever talk to one?

Yes, you.

no you haven't......you don't conduct conversations in this format, and I'm talking long, deep conversations. You know, with actual speech and face to face and all that sort of traditional stuff.

Will Robinson wrote:

callmeslick wrote:no one wishes to 'open the floodgates'. They just wish to have a sensible immigration policy. ....

That is laughable. They certainly have opened the floodgates with their policy and messaging.

So are you so full of crap to try and sell that spin or are they really that idiotic that they don't realize the effect their policy has had?

you are an idiot, if you think what we have is open floodgates. Study the history of this nation.....and notice the economic trends after the floodgates REALLY were open.

At a time when the influx of the average illegal was trending downward we get a sudden doubling of children and mothers with children that is projected to quadruple within a year.
And this just happens to coincide with the Obama administration's policy to exempt children from deportation. Coincides with numerous campaigns to get the word out south of the border of those promises of protection. Coincides with the administrations directives to federal agencies to not effectively enforce border policy.

Just a horrible coincidence that further illustrates the need to open the gates right? You really should reserve those kind of fairy tales for the willing dumb masses that vote for your 'leaders' like robots.

my first relative over here arrived at age 13 and started working. Just saying, there is some history of young people being sent to America to better their future. It speaks well of our nation that so many wish to do so. It has deep roots(my family example occurred in 1663), and has ALWAYS served the nation in the long run. Why the objection now? Oh, yeah, it's Obama being farsighted......can't accept that, can we?

Better re-write those labor laws.

13 year old relative didn't sneak in did he?

woodchip wrote:13 year old relative didn't sneak in did he?

not too much by way of rules to prevent immigration in the 17th century. My point was that sending kids to the US has happened since then.....Italians, Eastern Europeans, English, Irish, etc, etc. Many folks looked to the US and it's inherent strengths(one of which is progress through assimilation) as a path to a better future for their kids than they could provide.

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:13 year old relative didn't sneak in did he?

not too much by way of rules to prevent immigration in the 17th century. My point was that sending kids to the US has happened since then.....Italians, Eastern Europeans, English, Irish, etc, etc. Many folks looked to the US and it's inherent strengths(one of which is progress through assimilation) as a path to a better future for their kids than they could provide.

Those traditional examples were trending downward at the time Obama policy sent the children sub group through the roof statistically.
Or, in other words, you dodged the point really poorly.

hardly some flood, Will, and, as noted, the Administration dealt with it. Just to show how complex this stuff you all try to treat as simple really is: the ACLU is suing the US government over MISTREATMENT of children.

Even Obama says its a disaster.
So you can call it a 'non-flood-but-so-damn-many-that-it-is-a-disaster' if you think that sounds better.

Will Robinson wrote:Even Obama says its a disaster.
So you can call it a 'non-flood-but-so-damn-many-that-it-is-a-disaster' if you think that sounds better.

it is a humanitarian disaster if even a couple hundred kids get victimized by way of getting here and being searched and incarcerated. That was his point. Your point seems to be to whine(as always) about every single choice the President makes. Get some more kleenex, because 8 years of Hillary is really going to make you bawl like a baby.

Yea, and if she loses all we will get is 8 years of how the Republicans rigged the election.

Spidey wrote:Yea, and if she loses all we will get is 8 years of how the Republicans rigged the election.

if they win a national election it would HAVE to be rigged. They don't have a candidate capable of polling over 45%, ever.

callmeslick wrote:

Spidey wrote:Yea, and if she loses all we will get is 8 years of how the Republicans rigged the election.

if they win a national election it would HAVE to be rigged. They don't have a candidate capable of polling over 45%, ever.

Well when the ads start coming out that Hillary got fired from the Watergate investigation because of unethical behavior I suspect that and many other issues will make her unpalatable to a lot more voters and make the Repub. candidate a shoo in.

woodchip wrote:

callmeslick wrote:

Spidey wrote:Yea, and if she loses all we will get is 8 years of how the Republicans rigged the election.

if they win a national election it would HAVE to be rigged. They don't have a candidate capable of polling over 45%, ever.

Well when the ads start coming out that Hillary got fired from the Watergate investigation because of unethical behavior I suspect that and many other issues will make her unpalatable to a lot more voters and make the Repub. candidate a shoo in.

Hell- all the opposition has to do to win over the low information voter is play video of what a shrill witch she can be.



Er, let me also add 'incompetent' to shrill witch.

The sheer vileness that is this administration and just about every democrat that has served it oozes out of her and all of the rest of them.

Watergate? Like in 1973? Hell, find me as many politicians as you want where you have to go back 40 years to find ethical lapses, and I'll back them all to the hilt. She's not even running yet, and to see this comical level of dirt-digging from you rocket scientists is well worth the time spent reading.

Hundreds of millions spent every election cycle to see who can dig the fresher dirt instead of seeing who can formulate the better solutions.
Gee ain't our republic just swell!

If only we had something like a free press manned by people of integrity who would call out any liar on the spot no matter who it hurt. Maybe in the next iteration of human evolution...

sort of agree with the first line......however, sometimes, the guy with solutions, or even the suggestion of same wins. Example, Obama, twice beat essentially empty campaigns(McCain on economy in crisis, Romney on damn near everything).

I’m sure they will find some inane scandal to cover Hilary’s ass….errr past, just like they did during Clinton, when they used sex to cover up the misuse of FBI files…illegal campaign contributions…whitewater…etc.

Just a damn shame the other side is stupid enough to fall for it, just like now, we see this trade thing making cover for the EPA’s new regulations….o yea, betcha didn’t even hear about those.

Even lots of Democrats coming out against them…

Spidey wrote:I’m sure they will find some inane scandal to cover Hilary’s ass….errr past, just like they did during Clinton, when they used sex to cover up the misuse of FBI files…illegal campaign contributions…whitewater…or a host of other fabricated/specious/goofy conspiracies,etc.

fleshed out to reflect reality.

Just a damn shame the other side is stupid enough to fall for it, just like now, we see this trade thing making cover for the EPA’s new regulations….o yea, betcha didn’t even hear about those.

I did, but didn't see the trade deal as a smokescreen.....

Even lots of Democrats coming out against them…

EPA regs or the Trade deal? Or both? I'm uncomfortable with some aspects of the new proposed trade deals with Asia, but haven't seen any EPA regs that strike me as that terrible. Which are you referring to?

callmeslick wrote:sort of agree with the first line......however, sometimes, the guy with solutions, or even the suggestion of same wins. Example, Obama, twice beat essentially empty campaigns(McCain on economy in crisis, Romney on damn near everything).

So how are his "solutions" working out? Iraq? Health Insurance costs? Number of people uninsured? etc.

He ran on "hope and change" a vague label any voter could stick on their own personal opinion of what government should do...even though those things aren't the same to all people.
It made him appealing to a lot of people without them even knowing anything about his specific goals.

He then proceeded to govern his first term as someone who didn't know how bad Bush had broken things....as someone who didn't know how bad his administration had screwed things up...etc. He basically kept on campaigning across america portraying himself as outside the loop anytime something went wrong.
Hell of a solution...for his personal problems...not so much for the country.

So, as an example, after telling black americans it is finally their turn, and then not doing anything for them, he got to blame the rich out of touch white guy Romney to buy himself another four years. So now the black unemployment is still worse than the rate of other groups and climbing, etc. etc.
Solutions?! Meh!

He isn't a problem solver, he is a slimy demagogue with a knack for deflecting blame. Maybe not even a knack so much as a complicit media/pop culture base.
If politics could solve problems we would be in good hands but politics only gets you elected and your power protected. And under the status quo it comes at the expense of the citizen.

Here you go. Solution man at work.
Obama is so on top of the illegal flood-that-shall-not-be-so-named that he is demanding Congress members who want to visit the facility being built to hold the immigrants do not speak to the children, record anything or take any pictures.

God forbid he should get any bad optics out of the way he is solving things. And don't ask the kids how they made it all the way up from below the equator through Mexico 'alone' etc.
The most "transparent" administration huh? I guess we just didn't know that what he meant was obviously deceptive.

Will Robinson wrote:Congress members who want to visit the facility being built to hold the immigrants do not speak to the children, record anything or take any pictures.

Bogus article. First, where is the email? Why not print it? Second, why do I care if an unnamed congressional staffer calls the invitation a "a dog and pony show?" Third, I gather you haven't spent a lot of time in military installations. As someone who worked government contracts for years, the "no cell phones" thing is not a surprise. You are not allowed to have them at most military bases. Our crew always left our devices in the work vehicle. End of story. And the not talking to anyone thing? Also completely normal. Hell, I've been under the watchful eye of armed escorts just to replace a power outlet. So unfortunately for you this isn't some Obama scandal cover-up. It's standard practice at military bases.