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tunnelcat wrote:What do you think of this observation, Spidey and slick. Janet Yellen made a statement during her last hearing that I think is a more accurate statement than the Dems present wealth redistribution mantra they've been pushing lately. I think she said it a lot more pithy and accurately, that the money circulating in our system is currently being moved from labor to capital. So what happens to the system when too much money is put into capital, which is under the control of the few wealthy, while far less is in labor's hands for them to spend on goods and services? Doesn't that make it top heavy and unsustainable?

I don’t know what to say really, “wealth redistribution” is and always was a myth, there never has been any “wealth redistribution” just the redistribution of money, currency etc.

I can’t address the conversion of money into capital, because I don’t really see a problem, the company right across the street just made over 150,000 in “capital” improvements to their property that put a lot of cash into people’s hands.

Maybe she was referring to a different form of capital.

But in the end, I doubt there will ever be any currency shortages in the present system.

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:

Top Gun wrote:

woodchip wrote:Certainly with Obamacare we are that much closer to the socialist grave.

Yes, the half-assed, insurance-company-kowtowing is totally a valid step towards it. And do you mean the "grave" that works far better for every other first-world nation on the planet? That grave?

No this grave:

"The CNN poll Wednesday found that 18 percent of respondents said they or their family had benefited from the health care law, while an additional 35 percent said while they may not be better off, the lives of others have improved. Forty-four percent say no one has benefited from Obamacare."

Sounds like a program where only 18% see a improvement is one heading to the grave.

um, you ignore that 53 percent are of the opinion that it has been beneficial to the nation as a whole. Hardly a grave, in fact, up 10% in 6 months and heading toward long-term approval status. A comparison with the approval trajectory of Medicare shows the ACA to be gaining support even faster at the outset.

Slick I can see your basic math skills are rudimentary, so let me help you:
35% say they may not be better off + 44% say no one has benefited = 79%. Now show me where you get 53% are of the opinion Obamacare has been beneficial

woodchip wrote:Slick I can see your basic math skills are rudimentary, so let me help you:
35% say they may not be better off + 44% say no one has benefited = 79%. Now show me where you get 53% are of the opinion Obamacare has been beneficial

along with the gratuitous insult toward me, you might wish to search for reading glasses.
35% indeed said they weren't PERSONALLY better off, but were convinced others in the nation WERE.
18% said they were better off.
Thus, 53% acknowledge that the bill was beneficial to Americans. Also, as was pointed out, you're basing your already shaky logic upon a poll that actually accepted the answer that NO ONE is better off, a mathematical impossiblity, which, if true, would mean that the bill would have easily been repealed by now, just due to public outcry. But, alas, the outcry you hope for never really materialized. As I said earlier, the acceptance of the ACA is not only growing, steadily, but is ahead of public acceptance of Medicare, at the same point in time. These days, you would get hung for suggesting that Medicare be scrapped, in a national election.

let's all do the math together:

"The CNN poll Wednesday found that 18 percent of respondents said they or their family had benefited from the health care law- here we have a solid 18% positive response

.. while an additional 35 percent said while they may not be better off, the lives of others have improved.
another 35%, very upbeat, overall

Forty-four percent say no one has benefited from Obamacare." These folks are delusional ideologues, because that is virtually impossible



so, by Woody's cited poll, 55% are positive about the ACA, 44% are somehow convinced that no one benefitted. And, Woody spins this as if it bolsters his view of the ACA.

I find it interesting (albeit not surprising) that you're both spinning the same answer to support your side.

How about taking a look at the actual poll: http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2014/image ... /rel7c.pdf

Ah, here we go... it's a two-parter, here are the 2014 answers:

15. From what you know of that legislation, do you think you and your family are, in general, better off, worse off or about the same now that the major provisions of the health care law have taken effect?

Better off 18%
Worse off 35%
About the same 46%
No opinion 1%

16. (IF WORSE OFF OR ABOUT THE SAME) Do you think other families in this country are better off now that the major provisions of the health care law have taken effect, or do you think that legislation has not helped anyone in the country?

Better off (from Question 15) 18%
Better off for other families 35%
Not help anyone 44%
No opinion 3%

Quite a spectrum of opinion. Now, I'm sure you guys can spin this whichever way you want, but it's clear that it's not as simple as the "79% negative", "53% positive" numbers you guys came up with.

On an interesting note, I got a letter from my health insurance company saying they owned me a refund as part of that requirement set forth in the ACA to limit administrative expenses. Only 3 insurance companies here in Oregon ended up having to give out those rebates, and businesses will be the ones who see most of that. However, I'm one of only 23,000 people to get an actual check since I bought on the open market and not the exchange. Nice to see some of my money go back into my pocket, even if it was a paltry $38.18. I didn't even shop on the exchange (not that it has ever worked in Oregon anyway). But I'm guessing the vast majority of people in the U.S. got their health insurance through their employers and won't see the rebate at all, unless their employers tell them. I doubt that.

http://www.oregonlive.com/health/index. ... l_pay.html

http://www.bizjournals.com/portland/blo ... ealth.html