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Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:48 pm
by woodchip
Good question. Reading further into the article they state:
By CBO and JCT’s estimates, about 42 million non-elderly residents of the United States were uninsured in 2014, about 12 million fewer than would have been uninsured in the absence of the ACA.
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In 2015, the agencies estimate, 36 million nonelderly people will be uninsured—about 19 million fewer than would have been uninsured in the absence of the ACA. From 2016 through 2025, the annual number of uninsured is expected to decrease to between 29 million and 31 mil-lion—that is, between 24 million and 27 million fewer than would have been uninsured in the law’s absence (see TableB-2).The 31 million people projected to be uninsured in 2025 represent roughly one out of every nine residents under age 65 (see FigureB-1)
So while the decrease indeed looks good, by 2025 (long enough time into the future for the ACA to have matured) We still see 31 million being uninsured. I thought the whole point of the ACA was to get everyone one insurance. 31 million uninsured is hardly a resounding success considering the 50k it is costing each citizen in taxes. And link to the report. scroll down to bottom to read it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eport.html
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 8:25 pm
by callmeslick
now, you are relying on a BRITISH analysis, of realities 10 years from now, to base your plausible concerns about the ACA? Hilarious, Woody, simply priceless. Now, we have to wait a decade before seeing how wrong you are. By the way, although we disagree on some things, I do like sparring with you.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 5:52 am
by woodchip
callmeslick wrote:now, you are relying on a BRITISH analysis, of realities 10 years from now, to base your plausible concerns about the ACA? Hilarious, Woody, simply priceless. Now, we have to wait a decade before seeing how wrong you are. By the way, although we disagree on some things, I do like sparring with you.
What's hilarious slick is you're so
awesome, but did you read where the British have the CBO report as part of their analysis.
You are a great guy by the way.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 7:41 am
by callmeslick
I read all of that, Woody, and didn't say otherwise. You are still trying to use a 10 year out projection by Non-US economists, which I have some concerns about.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:53 am
by woodchip
Are you sure? That's not what I got from it at all!
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:14 am
by callmeslick
woodchip wrote:Are you sure? That's not what I got from it at all!
Hmmm, it's not like you to make a mistake. Maybe we should both reread it and then get to the bottom of this!
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:34 am
by Tunnelcat
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 11:43 am
by callmeslick
moderator: hilarious. And, thank you.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 13, 2015 12:10 pm
by woodchip
I see Jeff has a new hobby.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 8:06 am
by callmeslick
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 9:06 pm
by Ferno
Oh, I can't WAIT to see what woody and will have to say about that.
"left wing bias"? "hit piece"? "badly researched"? "obama's fault"? "it's costing the taxpayers too much?" "snowjob"? or maybe a variation thereof.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:17 pm
by Krom
Maybe that is the ultimate solution to health care cost in America, make paying for it the direct problem of some of the most greedy corporations on earth with no loopholes or tax breaks for it. If they can't find a way to control the cost, probably nobody can.
Although on second thought, they would just buy congress to get out of it since that would be cheaper, faster and easier.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:49 pm
by vision
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 10:55 pm
by Ferno
and it just keeps getting better.
the anti-aca'ers got dragged into it kicking and screaming.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 1:13 am
by Spidey
Krom wrote:Maybe that is the ultimate solution to health care cost in America, make paying for it the direct problem of some of the most greedy corporations on earth with no loopholes or tax breaks for it. If they can't find a way to control the cost, probably nobody can.
Although on second thought, they would just buy congress to get out of it since that would be cheaper, faster and easier.
Still haven’t figured out how passing along to consumers works, huh. And if you read the link…the employees…
I’m sure some part of the costs will be absorbed by the companies…but how much is debatable.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 7:18 am
by Krom
No, they would pass on the entire cost and a little extra for profit along the way, that's just how companies work.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:10 am
by callmeslick
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:47 am
by woodchip
Just a couple of problems that a easy search brought up:
"The nonpartisan Government Accountability Office says its undercover investigators were able to get subsidized health care under fake names in 11 out of 18 attempts. The GAO is still paying premiums for the policies, even as the Obama administration attempts to verify phony documentation."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/2 ... 11423.html
"But because auto-renewal is so easy, there's a risk some consumers might not notice that their premiums are going up. And due to the complex way the law's insurance subsidies are calculated, people who auto-renew might be eligible for a smaller subsidy—meaning their out-of-pocket costs would increase even more than any increase in their premiums."
http://www.nationaljournal.com/health-c ... s-20141121
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:51 am
by callmeslick
I auto renewed, got one month of increased premiums, then got a bill for a reduced amount. Ho-hum, more scare BS.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 8:59 am
by woodchip
So because it didn't happen to you means it doesn't happen at all?
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 9:21 am
by callmeslick
because it didn't happen to me, I find your 'claims' dubious. Yes.
Re: reality versus KoolAid
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:02 pm
by Foil
My primary concern when I had to cancel my Obamacare policy (after I was hired on permanently, I got an employee policy) was stories of massive delays in cancellation, ending up in excess autopay payments.
So... when I cancelled the coverage, I went to my bank, and had them place a stop-payment. Worked like a charm.