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Spidey wrote:What the guys are saying here is illustrated in the media coverage of the bus chant…all the focus is on the video, and the evil racists, meanwhile the utter disgust shown by most people is largely overlooked.

There will always be racism, the important thing is how a society reacts to it, and whether it is condoned or admonished.

very true, hence my overall view that recent events are but a last-gasp upwelling, not some burgeoning trend.

And in juxtaposition to the implied lynching, we have from UC Berkley, a group of black students wanting a building renamed for a black woman who killed a white state trooper.

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:Slick, what front line people on the right are race baiting? You know people comparable to Obama, Sharpton, Durbin et al.

they are FAR more active whipping up angry old white guys than anyone on the other side, and the comparison isn't even close,at this point in time.

Your perspective is only sustained by your state of denial. Or, as I suspect, you aren't that delusional and are engaged in a conscious effort to downplay the Democrats race baiting industry that is running 24/7.

where is it running 24/7? I mean, I must get 15 messages per day from the Democratic Party or surrogates. Few even focus on race, none are anything close to whipping up anger.

Stop using your emails as some kind of proof. Try reading the news instead.

callmeslick wrote:where is it running 24/7? I mean, I must get 15 messages per day from the Democratic Party or surrogates. Few even focus on race, none are anything close to whipping up anger.

Are you trying to tell us the Democrat machine isn't sophisticated enough to know who you are and what buttons to push for a liberal, white male, long time financial backer vs those more effective for a black everyday citizen? I think they are smart enough to know they aren't going to move you with the specter of 'whitey wants to put you back on the plantation' They know you come from the plantation owners club and as long as you keep sending the checks they won't bring it up...

And I imagine everyone here reading this knows you are smart enough to know I'm right but you have no options left other than your infamous denial.

woodchip wrote:And in juxtaposition to the implied lynching, we have from UC Berkley, a group of black students wanting a building renamed for a black woman who killed a white state trooper.

I'm sure that will get traction, huh?

Will Robinson wrote:

callmeslick wrote:where is it running 24/7? I mean, I must get 15 messages per day from the Democratic Party or surrogates. Few even focus on race, none are anything close to whipping up anger.

Are you trying to tell us the Democrat machine isn't sophisticated enough to know who you are and what buttons to push for a liberal, white male, long time financial backer vs those more effective for a black everyday citizen? I think they are smart enough to know they aren't going to move you with the specter of 'whitey wants to put you back on the plantation' They know you come from the plantation owners club and as long as you keep sending the checks they won't bring it up...

And I imagine everyone here reading this knows you are smart enough to know I'm right but you have no options left other than your infamous denial.

two words: PROVE IT.

let's revisit this post, because it's illustrative:

Will Robinson wrote:He was hanging there for weeks unseen by anyone.

he has only been missing a week

His hands were not tied.

according to news reports FROM the area:"The nephew said the family had been told by police that Byrd's hands had been tied, but he had worked them free and tried to loosen the noose. "

Last seen dropped off at a casino.

from the same article--last seen visiting his elderly father.


Now, Will, why do you feel the need to lie? Is your position that weak, or your prejudices just that strong?

You ought to register as an independent slick. Then you'd have Republican poll pushers calling you everyday on the phone like evil telemarketers that don't understand what "NO" or "#&% you" means and won't go away.

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:And in juxtaposition to the implied lynching, we have from UC Berkley, a group of black students wanting a building renamed for a black woman who killed a white state trooper.

I'm sure that will get traction, huh?

Enough traction to make the national news.

callmeslick wrote:
two words: PROVE IT.

Typical slick response when he has no argument. OTH when he makes a vaporous comment...

woodchip wrote:

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:And in juxtaposition to the implied lynching, we have from UC Berkley, a group of black students wanting a building renamed for a black woman who killed a white state trooper.

I'm sure that will get traction, huh?

Enough traction to make the national news.

well, all the links I saw were to Fox News, which is telling of the real seriousness of the effort. Let's face it, college students come up with some radical ideas. I, for one, am all for that reality.....I want the kids to think out of the box.

tunnelcat wrote:You ought to register as an independent slick. Then you'd have Republican poll pushers calling you everyday on the phone like evil telemarketers that don't understand what "NO" or "#&% you" means and won't go away.

and I need two sets of these goofballs, why? Right now, I've been fending off a sudden wave of folks offering lottery prizes, packages, etc, with myself merely required to provide my banking information. YEESH!

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:

callmeslick wrote:

woodchip wrote:And in juxtaposition to the implied lynching, we have from UC Berkley, a group of black students wanting a building renamed for a black woman who killed a white state trooper.

I'm sure that will get traction, huh?

Enough traction to make the national news.

well, all the links I saw were to Fox News, which is telling of the real seriousness of the effort. Let's face it, college students come up with some radical ideas. I, for one, am all for that reality.....I want the kids to think out of the box.

Maybe you should actually look instead of default responding "Fox News" did it:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -list.html

http://jezebel.com/ucb-black-student-un ... 1692590337

http://www.wnd.com/2015/03/berkeley-bla ... op-killer/

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/U ... 139786.php

To bad your news sources are so provincial and limited.

you said NATIONAL news. Then cite one link from the UK(to be fair, you didn't say which nation, I suppose), and three local blogs from the area.
Do you really think Berkley goes along with this? Of course you don't....you just want to feel good about your own racism. Enjoy.

Doing the Texas two step again I see.

looking in a mirror?

callmeslick wrote:let's revisit this post, because it's illustrative:

Will Robinson wrote:He was hanging there for weeks unseen by anyone.

he has only been missing a week

He was last seen March 2nd according to your link. The article you linked said he was found March 19th. How many days are in a week in slick's world? What world was he found in?

This is what they said:

Washington (CNN)The hanging death of an African-American man who had been missing since early this month and was found Thursday by local authorities in Mississippi has drawn the scrutiny of the FBI and the Department of Justice Civil Rights Division.


The sheriff's office in Claiborne County, Mississippi, had organized a search for the man, who had been missing since March 2 and was reported missing March 8. Authorities said the man's body was found with a bed sheet tied around his neck and a skull cap on his head, hanging from a tree. The man's hands were not tied up.

Thursday is one day before Friday, the day the article was published. Friday is the 20th, (20 minus 1 equals 19) thus he was found on the 19th.

Today I heard the Sheriff on the radio specifically say he 'wanted to dispel a rumor that Byrds hands were tied. They were NOT tied.'
(for those who need special help, he also did not have his hands up while saying don't shoot)

So now who is lying slick? Who doesn't have the facts straight? Who is now trying to play the race card suggesting I'm prejudiced simply because I challenged the story you were spinning?
You are predictably arrogant and wrong. The more we show you how wrong you are the more arrogant you get.

This is pathetic, the time frame and the hands tied (not) came straight from the link slick posted, but when someone quotes them…they are a liar.

Pathetic!

I'll stand corrected on the original link. My mistake as I had a more current update from a Biloxi paper. Apologies.

callmeslick wrote:I'll stand corrected on the original link. My mistake as I had a more current update from a Biloxi paper. Apologies.

And where do you stand on implying my correction was motivated by "prejudices"?

Where do you stand on implying this story is proof of a lynching when you have no evidence?

Can you abandon the Party approved narrative to admit you need to be corrected on those issues as well?

no, I'll stand by current updates which make it seem very much like a lynching. As noted, I apologize for my error in blaming you for the report, when I actually provided the erroneous link. My party affiliation should be no issue when discussing the evils of racism, the fact that it still persists, or fighting against racial hatred. Sadly, that doesn't seem to reflect reality, does it?

First the narrative was "Hands up don't shoot". Doj puts that to rest. Now the Dems need another racist rallying dry so the word lynching is now used with no proof of anything. Tell me slick, are you naive or trying your best to be a running dog for your masters?

I haven't heard a single Democrat commentary on this thing. Actually, most of the latest news I've gotten was from a Republican
friend in Ocean Springs. By the way, they are back to a suicide narrative, now. The point is that folks STILL worry about the possibility in
that neck of the woods. Which was my point in raising that article into the discussion. THAT is a race relation issue. No hype, no activists,
just local African Americans still living in the spectre of fear.

callmeslick wrote:no, I'll stand by current updates which make it seem very much like a lynching. As noted, I apologize for my error in blaming you for the report, when I actually provided the erroneous link.

Ok, I just wanted to be sure and as I suspected you weren't actually contrite about anything other than the link you posted didn't work as you planned.

I just checked for more recent info since you have now offered as your excuse you were working from 'more current info' than your original link and have implied it was incorrect.

As of 10 minutes ago CNN had this:

"Officials: Evidence doesn't support foul play in Mississippi hanging

....Evidence collected so far doesn't suggest foul play in the death, law enforcement officials said. For that reason, suicide is the early theory as the likely manner of death, the officials said."....

They also said this:
"FBI Supervisory Special Agent Jason Pack told WAPT that "it's too early to say what happened or speculate about the cause or the manner" of death.

"We don't know what happened out there," Pack said. "We don't know if it was a suicide, if it was a homicide. That's why we investigate these types of cases."

Lucas, who is himself African-American, said Friday that he's worried people will jump to the conclusion that Byrd was murdered and that race was a factor.

"I don't want the community to go excited saying it was a white-on-black thing. That's the worst thing that can happen, is people making it into a race issue," Lucas said. "And that's my biggest fear. And I don't want that to happen."

But slick needed the narrative and so the truth be damned...

callmeslick wrote:My party affiliation should be no issue when discussing the evils of racism, the fact that it still persists, or fighting against racial hatred. Sadly, that doesn't seem to reflect reality, does it?

No it certainly doesn't because your Party is deeply addicted to the demagoguing of racial strife in order to keep a large percentage of it's supporters in line.

of course, Will, you wrote and posted that without reading my last post.

callmeslick wrote:of course, Will, you wrote and posted that without reading my last post.

Well I'm good but can't be in two places at the same time...
But it is laughable that you now want to spin it as you researched the story 'because you wanted to illustrate the ingrained fear people down there feel'

Lol!

Those of us who read this thread from the beginning will remember you clearly cited this incident to imply that a lynching has taken place thus proving we are a long way from escaping Jim Crow conditions and acheiving racial harmony! Your arrogance and ego are boundless it seems.

The 'reality' you claim to yearn for is actually that a suicide most likely took place!
A suicide that is in no way evidence that racial harmony is far from within our grasp. A death that shouldn't have ever been injected into the conversation...

However, people like you, who will perpetuate division and bully and lie to keep the white devil narrative alive and stewing will definitely keep us from achieving harmonious relations.

Your spinning this now to try and save face isn't doing you any good either.

but, as I said, the fact that a whole community got fearful about the possibility shows something about where we are at. Like I say, accepting a reality
ought not be Democrat or Republican. Accepting my overall premise that talking about where racism stands(which is all the Starbucks guy was trying to encourage)isn't a bad thing. It is an acknowledgement of reality and different points of view within our society. If you can't talk through it, something is wrong.

callmeslick wrote:but, as I said, the fact that a whole community got fearful about the possibility shows something about where we are at.

It shows that there are people out there like you invested in nurturing and building that fear to an unwarranted degree. If people like you were honest about things the reaction would be appropriately proportional to real events. Not your fabricated 'reality', a word you have lost the right to use.

callmeslick wrote:Like I say, accepting a reality
ought not be Democrat or Republican. Accepting my overall premise that talking about where racism stands(which is all the Starbucks guy was trying to encourage)isn't a bad thing. It is an acknowledgement of reality and different points of view within our society. If you can't talk through it, something is wrong.

If you can't talk about it without basing your comments on a lie is your contribution to the conversation something anyone should value? Or is it something we shoul be wary of?

Stop trying to hide what you did by trying to spin it as honest discourse..trying to portray yourself as an honest broker. What you have done is destructive.

callmeslick wrote:but, as I said, the fact that a whole community got fearful about the possibility shows something about where we are at.

And some good media matters type calculated using the word "lynching" in the story would make a good number of blacks fearful of whitey and remind them why they should be voting for the right party....forgetting of course who was in power when the lynchings were actually happening.

still hung up on the 1950's, huh, and still don't get that those types left the Democratic party decades ago for the GOP?

Prove it

This is a ridiculous distraction, neither of the parties are the same people as they were in the 50's and neither party is pro Jim Crow today.
However one of today's parties is keeping some supporters on their side by using the kind of dishonest rhetoric that slick used in this thread. That is happening today.

woodchip wrote:Prove it

look at the voting demographics in the south between 1960 and 1980.

Will Robinson wrote:This is a ridiculous distraction, neither of the parties are the same people as they were in the 50's and neither party is pro Jim Crow today.
However one of today's parties is keeping some supporters on their side by using the kind of dishonest rhetoric that slick used in this thread. That is happening today.

and the other is keeping some on their side in line by playing up their racial fears. If we're going to modify with the word 'some', your assessment AND mine, are correct.

callmeslick wrote:

Will Robinson wrote:This is a ridiculous distraction, neither of the parties are the same people as they were in the 50's and neither party is pro Jim Crow today.
However one of today's parties is keeping some supporters on their side by using the kind of dishonest rhetoric that slick used in this thread. That is happening today.

and the other is keeping some on their side in line by playing up their racial fears. If we're going to modify with the word 'some', your assessment AND mine, are correct.

First off, it is you alone in this thread that have promoted a lie to keep their false narrative alive. And on top of that you tried to play the race card on me for my pointing out your obvious spin.
So you are down in a hole from the start trying to claim moral equivalency...


Second, do you really think there are as many closet or openly KKK type voters as there are minority voters?
And even if we accept that as a given, it seems much harder to create a narrative that motivates a voter like that to come to the polls.

How many different arguments for a policy direction do you hear made that promote the interest of these bigots you think are a counter to the volume of votes Black and Hispanic voters represent?
What are the policy interest these bigoted voters are pandered to about by the right wing?
How many pop culture icons are out there in the media promoting this alleged pro-racist agenda?
How many advocates with a voice in our mainstream news media? Etc.

I think you are going to have a hard time matching the efforts and voice of the race baiting organization of the left wing of american politics.
Where is the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for the 'peckerwood' constituency?

Will Robinson wrote:Where is the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for the 'peckerwood' constituency?

given that Sharpton is irrelevant to most everyone I know on the left, and Jackson hasn't been seen in public very much in years, who knows?

callmeslick wrote:

Will Robinson wrote:Where is the Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for the 'peckerwood' constituency?

given that Sharpton is irrelevant to most everyone I know on the left, and Jackson hasn't been seen in public very much in years, who knows?

No point in discussing reality with you when you routinely deny it as a last defense of the unrealistic positions you adopt.

Sharpton is so 'irrelevant' that Obama has been taking his council lately....
But then maybe Obama can be declared irrelevant too if that's what it takes to help you do the dance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgrhJSAaYIc&app=desktop

my case is rested.