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I do not think so. These measures are a manifestation of respect for the majority of normal people, to protect them from the encroachments of moral freaks and method for the preservation of morals, traditions and national identity of the titular nation in the country.
P.S. By the way, many political analysts believe that the American people is not a nation, but a community of immigrants. And I agree with their opinion partly.

sigma wrote:These measures are a manifestation of respect for the majority of normal people, to protect them from the encroachments of moral freaks and method for the preservation of morals, traditions and national identity

In other words, oppressing minorities.

You know what I do not want? I do not want a strange male looked at my son as a sexual object. I will exert all my efforts, that it had never happened. I will fight for the right of my child that he to remain a normal person. You understand me well, Lothar?

sigma wrote:I do not want a strange male looked at my son as a sexual object

Nobody wants that. Yet strange males *do* look at your son that way, secretly.

You don't actually eliminate dangerous people by forcing them to hide. To the contrary, you enable the most dangerous when you force non-dangerous minorities to create underground societies. Most homosexual adults will gladly report child predators to the police in this society. But in a society where all homosexuals are forced into hiding -- like the US in decades past -- those who find out about a dangerous predator aren't going to report them because of the risk of being caught for their own non-predatory but socially unacceptable behavior.

The same is true for religious radicals, for child-predatory polygamists, etc.

Look, I understand perfectly that represents the Statue of Liberty. But it is not necessary to impose the American concept of freedom for other nations. Other nations themselves can understand what matters to them and what is not. America is really a strange country where a man can be accused of flirting with a woman, calling it sexual harassment, while the blue will get more chances to get a job than the traditionally-oriented specialist. Let's leave the so-called American freedom in America, okay? The US has long lost any moral guidances after WWII, when it had the opportunity to become a financial center in the world. Your politicians are nothing else, just as the last effort to maintain the spirit of the American people, blaming others that don't coincide with your opinion.

sigma wrote:You know what I do not want? I do not want a strange male looked at my son as a sexual object. I will exert all my efforts, that it had never happened. I will fight for the right of my child that he to remain a normal person. You understand me well, Lothar?

with a life outlook like yours, there is no way your child can possibly remain 'normal'.

I very much suspect that you are, Slick, and also Lothar expresses not your personal opinion on the matter, but the opinion of blue elites, which imposes on the American people, their concept of "normality" and lobbies for the interests of blue in political circles and media. Otherwise in the USA there would be no such overt violations of the rights of normal people, that even quite normal Americans start to believe that moral deformity and mental disorders are the norm. Before my child will become an adult and independent, he will first get a correct idea of the traditional normality.

sigma wrote:it is not necessary to impose the American concept of freedom

who's imposing? We're having a discussion on a message board. I'm commenting in strong terms about how your nation is a massive human rights violator, but nobody sane would call that "imposing".

there would be no such overt violations of the rights of normal people

There is no such thing as a "right" to not be offended. We absolutely have the right to believe and say that other people's beliefs are disgusting, or to act in ways that other people find horrible and offensive. What we don't have the right to do is force other people to uphold our standards outside of our own sphere of authority -- which is something you seem to agree on, given your above comment about imposing. Only you're inconsistent about it. You believe Russia has the right to govern itself, in opposition to majority world opinion, but you don't believe minorities have the right to act according to their beliefs because you view them as a "violaton" of majority rights -- which is completely backwards. The majority does not have the right to force the minority to violate their own belief systems. The majority only has the right to prevent provably harmful actions toward others -- violence, neglect, stuff like that.

The American media does not express the world public opinion, and the opinion of Washington. The real views of the majority of the world community you can see in the comments of ordinary people to the articles in the online press.

sigma wrote:The American media

I have very little connection to the American media.

sigma wrote:I very much suspect that you are, Slick, and also Lothar expresses not your personal opinion on the matter, but the opinion of blue elites, which imposes on the American people, their concept of "normality" and lobbies for the interests of blue in political circles and media.

in my case, you can stop guessing right now. I am 60 years young, and since I was around 16 been in contact with homosexuals to the point where I find them perfectly normal and acceptable. Moreover, I DO NOT find them in any way threatening, frightening or the like.

Otherwise in the USA there would be no such overt violations of the rights of normal people, that even quite normal Americans start to believe that moral deformity and mental disorders are the norm. Before my child will become an adult and independent, he will first get a correct idea of the traditional normality.

and then, if you have done any kind of decent job as a parent, he/she will go find their own way, form their own definition of acceptable and normal and grow as an individual. It strikes me that part of your mindset(without attempting to make it a generalization about Russians as a whole) is that individualism is to be avoided, even feared. Over here, if nothing else, we tend to largely embrace individualism. Some folks grate at those whose individualism runs strongly counter to theirs, but at our core, Americans are all about freedom of the individual. I have utterly NO clue what you mean about the 'overt violations of the rights of normal people', because a nation of individuals precludes easy definitions of 'normal'.

sigma wrote:The American media does not express the world public opinion, and the opinion of Washington. The real views of the majority of the world community you can see in the comments of ordinary people to the articles in the online press.

actually, that is not the case. Such comments, by my observation, come from those least comfortable with the views of others. Thus, they reflect the intolerance of a group, not the 'majority'.

Though i find the views expressed from certain parts of the world abhorrent, it's a pretty tall order expecting them to play immediate catch-up with what took other parts of the world hundreds of years of discourse, when they're only just beginning to understand the concept of 'free-speech' themselves. Wacking them over the head with, what is for them, revolutionary ideals will not change their opinions.

callmeslick wrote:

sigma wrote:The American media does not express the world public opinion, and the opinion of Washington. The real views of the majority of the world community you can see in the comments of ordinary people to the articles in the online press.

actually, that is not the case. Such comments, by my observation, come from those least comfortable with the views of others. Thus, they reflect the intolerance of a group, not the 'majority'.

It's just ridiculous. What kind of "group" you mean if the article commented not only people from most of the major countries, but nevertheless, most of the comments coming from the Americans? And I'm inclined to believe more is the views of ordinary people, even if it's the Americans. I have repeatedly convinced, they say smart things, unlike the biased journalists.
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ThunderBunny, I'm sure that even the most uneducated immigrant knows that now Greece is not a country where you can stay. Most likely they will use Greece as a transit country to move to a more comfortable country. Denial or quotas on US hosting the refugees from the hot spots can be viewed as a violation of human rights and unfriendly attitude to their partners in in Europe during the migration crisis. By the way, Germany now also wants to change the constitution for screening not only refugees but also immigrants from other quite safe countries of the European Union. Let us all say "thank you, USA!" for their tireless activity in the Middle East.