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What an observation!

(The audio doesn't kick in until the 20 second point.)

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and, he makes a very valid point.

Actually they “handled” the debate pretty well, I guess in some people’s opinion they should have just shut up and taken it like men.

They stuck up for themselves and pointed out the meaningless questions…gee wiz how horrible.

See this is the thing…if they had just taken it like men, then people would have just called them a bunch of pushovers…a lose lose situation any way you want to look at it.

I disagree Spidey, and here is why. As noted in the OP, a non-GOP supporter like myself viewed CNBCs performance as shoddy. I can't help but think that such was pretty much a widespread opinion. For some(not all, by the way) to come out whining like the Trump and Carson camps especially, and then demand to dictate a friendly, non-inquisitive set of rules in the future does NOT speak well of reaction to adversity. That is where Obama is spot on. Do they suppose that the rest of the world is going to let them pontificate, write all the rules and challege nothing?

Ferno wrote:projection, confirmation bias, nationalism and bad translation. Isn't it great?

That's exactly what I'm saying. You absolutely do not think about the subject of conversation for you is more important technique of conversation.
And attempts to change the subject, use the techniques of trolling, blaming online translators in a bad translation of this is already just agony. On you a sorry sight.

There is a big difference between a friendly debate where the expectation is to be treated fairly, and negotiating international treaties and such where the expectations are different.

But you will spin this the way you will spin this, and frankly I don’t really care, because I believe the dumb ass Republicans should have known what would happen.

But that being said, it still was a lose lose situation.

Spidey wrote:There is a big difference between a friendly debate where the expectation is to be treated fairly, and negotiating international treaties and such where the expectations are different.

But you will spin this the way you will spin this, and frankly I don’t really care, because I believe the dumb ass Republicans should have known what would happen.

But that being said, it still was a lose lose situation.

like I said, I thought CNBC did a crap job. I suspect most viewers agreed. Had the candidates simply left their own mouths shut, and not made some sort of (failed) public spectacle of 'demanding' changes and favorable formats, they would have garnered both sympathy and support. Instead, they focused the attention on their own whining, and shot themselves in the collective feet.

sigma wrote:

Ferno wrote:projection, confirmation bias, nationalism and bad translation. Isn't it great?

That's exactly what I'm saying. You absolutely do not think about the subject of conversation for you is more important technique of conversation.
And attempts to change the subject, use the techniques of trolling, blaming online translators in a bad translation of this is already just agony. On you a sorry sight.

This my friends is called a strawman argument.

Buddy, relax, buy yourself a new shirt, look good video. All will be all right.

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tunnelcat wrote:What an observation!

(The audio doesn't kick in until the 20 second point.)

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Does anyone find it odd that Obama dumps on the GOP candidates for "whining" about the moderators when he himself continually whines about Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and other conservative commentators?

not really accurate, woody.

callmeslick wrote:not really accurate, woody.

It is quite accurate:

"One of the biggest factors is going to be how the media shapes debates. If a Republican member of Congress is not punished on Fox News or by Rush Limbaugh for working with a Democrat on a bill of common interest, then you'll see more of them doing it," he said.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01 ... criticism/

Sounds like a whine to me.

/me does a quick google search on the quoted line from Obama, finds nothing but right-wing sites.

Goodnight everybody!

So Ferny, USA Today is right wing?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2 ... a/1867853/

woodchip wrote:So Ferny, USA Today is right wing?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2 ... a/1867853/

you only read what you want to read, don't you.

Maybe it's time you stepped out of the clogosphere. Oh wait, that would require you to learn something. Nevermind.

Ah, can't refute what I posted so you resort to personal attacks. Nice show of intellectualism.

...aaaaaand, that's all, folks.