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The pink boxers was to stop them from stealing the *free* clothing, they were selling them to visitors or something because as soon as he made them all pink the theft of the boxers dropped to almost nothing....

This wasn't in the original post. People can type ASSume with the capital ASS all they want but that doesn't change the fact that this world is based on perceptions.

I thought there was no good reason for the pink boxers and towels because I wasn't presented with one. I'm glad to see there is.

The reason the crime level is so high is because we have outside people complaining about things like pink boxers in prison.

Libs crack me up.

Um, okay whatever...

I do think there should be harsher sentences for criminals.

I do think the death penalty is a good idea.

I do think prison should be stripped of the many priveledges prisoners don't deserve.

I don't think people should abuse their power. If there's good reason (which in this case there is), it's not abuse.

But feel free to generalize all you want..

Speaking of generalizing... anyway,

Harsher than what?! Somewhere between full body massages whilst they sip Starbucks and pink boxers?

Death penalty for whom, people like Saddam and Hitler who have commited heinous crimes against thousands of people, or, the individual who has killed another because of his fifth DUI?

Privelages such as....?
I would give them food, water, a place to lay their head and books. Anything beyond that is far more than they deserve.

I don't think people should abuse their power either, which is exactly why I think these animals deserve exactly what they're getting... nothing.

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Pink has been used in Prisons for awhile now to try and keep inmates calm. Tried to find an online reference quickly, this is what came up HERE.

"PINK is the only warm color that has a tranquilizing effect. When one sees pink, one thinks of romance, of things soft and sweet, of security and nurturing. As such, it is used in bedrooms, and also by prisons to control violent inmates."

So its not cruel nor unusual......

And really nothing different than those Bad Boy Camps in the desert do, well, until the one kid died of heat exhaustion a few years back...

Fusion pimp wrote:Speaking of generalizing... anyway,

Harsher than what?! Somewhere between full body massages whilst they sip Starbucks and pink boxers?

Dude, you are still stuck on the pink boxers thing. Clearly somewhere you got lost in what I was trying to say... Once again if there is good reason for it (as Will and Buef have both shown) then I don't have a problem with it...

My issue wasn't with the color pink, or with pink boxers or towels. That's hardly cruel and unusual punishment. What I was saying is that if it was something done solely for jollies then it's pointless. I'm more than happy to see that is not the case.

Fusion pimp wrote:Death penalty for whom, people like Saddam and Hitler who have commited heinous crimes against thousands of people, or, the individual who has killed another because of his fifth DUI?

Both.

Fusion pimp wrote:Privelages such as....?
I would give them food, water, a place to lay their head and books. Anything beyond that is far more than they deserve.

I agree. Not really sure what we're arguing about at this point... (?)

We're(I'm?)not arguing, I'm simply asking for specifics so I know where you stand on the issue since you made a big deal about the pink boxers. Yes, I'm aware it wasn't really the boxers you were upset about, it was the idea that he may have done it to flex his muscle.

you know, youd think the fact that you get your ass pounded all day in jail would be enough punishment as is.

maybe not at a place like tent city tho.


Anyway, i have a friend thats going to jail; why? possession of drugs. great kid; sucks for him.

i personally think that min-security prisoners shouldn't be treated like that; but im not even going to bother explaining myself [ as my views are based off of experiences and events that have occurred in my life that the majority of you will ever experience / understand. ]

I think the tent city jail is a great idea, and whether the pink boxers are intended for humiliation or to prevent thievery, I LIKE 'EM.

For the record, I think it's criminal that it costs so much to house/feed/govern prisoners. I think it's downright shameful how easy most felons have it. I don't think living without air conditioning is 'inhumane', provided that proper living facilities are available. I don't think that prisoners should be entertained, I think they should stare at a blank wall and think about what they did wrong. I don't think prisoners should have all the amenities of a health club, I think they should do push-ups, sit-ups and chin-ups if they want to get muscles.

Personally, I like the idea of work camps. Let's get the national parks shipshape. Let's build new roads. Let's have deputies with guns shoot anyone who tries to go AWOL. Let's work those criminals until they fear being arrested more than they desire to commit crimes.

The past 100 years have proven that "rehabilitation" is a mockery. If you truly want to rehabilitate someone, jail ain't the place to do it. It's like rehabilitating an alcoholic by getting him a job at a brewery, a distillery or a bar. Criminals learn to hone their trade in prison. So let's make prison a place to fear, not a sabbatical resort & learning center for felons.

For lesser/minor offenders, what better incentive to stay on the straight and narrow than sleeping in tents in 100 degree heat, working your butt off on a chain gang, lousy food, pink boxers, no entertainment, no conveniences & deputies with smirks on their faces?

And yeah, we have a lot of crimes on the books that are ridiculous, starting with about 75% of the legislation enacted to pursue the "war on drugs". Laws won't win the war on Drugs. The only way to win that is to change public perceptions. Drugs have been portrayed as 'cool' for the last 30 years. We need 30 years of the opposite before we can hope to do more than win a few battles here and there. In reality, the war on drugs would win itself if we just let the junkies have as much drugs as they want and teach the rest to abhor drugs.

Thanks to some ridiculous laws, we have a lot of people in prison, or in prison for much longer than they deserve that shouldn't be there, which just adds to the problem.

Right on WA. When the junkies overdose, I say hand out Darwin Awards.

When someone overdoses its a tragedy that they managed to ★■◆● their lives up that much, very rarely is it sheer stupidity.

I dunno..I associate idiotic behavior with idiotic people. If they overdose on something toxic, like heroin, they must not have been very bright people to begin with for even trying it. Game over, they're out of quarters.

MD-2389 wrote:Right on WA. When the junkies overdose, I say hand out Darwin Awards.

The problem is, that assumes that people start out with a certain mentality, and this mentality is only reinforced by junkies overdosing. The problem: people don't have that mentality. If you make drugs more readily available, more people will use them more. History shows that. What we really need is a rebuilding of the family structure, where children are educated from young childhood- producing responsible adults who don't depend on everyone elses opinions to choose what's best. Yeah, people will probably disagree with me on this, but I think turning around crime and drug use in this country needs to start with fixing family structure.

I agree with you there snoopy. Fixing the family would solve a lot of these problems. The only problem is that it's not feasible, at least not unless America has a true revival. The first step towards fixing the family would be to reverse the marriage tax penalty into a marriage BONUS. Putting a penalty on marriage is the dumbest thing since anime cartoons. But that's another topic.

Spot-on, Snoop, however I disagree that if you make all drugs more readily available, more people will use them. All drugs are already readily available. I can get heroin easy enough, there's a ghetto a few miles from here. I can get cocaine from a friend of a friend. I can get ecstacy in 15 minutes. Guess what? I don't. Most people will have the same answer. They just won't. Then there are the idiots and fools. They will get heroin...just like now. They will do cocaine...just like now.

Mild drugs, like pot, you would probably get a few extra people tagging along. But that's certainly no blow to society.

(Stryker, you must watch the wrong anime cartoons..like..anything on a commercial channel.)

Vertigo 99 wrote:When someone overdoses its a tragedy that they managed to **** their lives up that much, very rarely is it sheer stupidity.

You mean someone that doesn't pay attention to what they're doing while doping themselves up with a drug known to cause bodily harm isn't sheer stupidity?

i got stuffed in Fayette County jail for a few weeks for something one of my nubtnut friends did.

IT WAS A RESORT!!

HBO, ShowTime, Cinemax cable channels plus the regulars....we were allowed to stay up if TaxiCab Confessions or some other MA or X rated show was being played on Showtime.....hell we even got to watch PPV wrestling and boxing fights if enough people from the cell block put up enough money from their books. NASCAR on Sundays is a must for all cell blocks.

32" TV.

smoking is allowed, even had a guy who managed to sneak some weed in....

3 warm meals a day.

commissary store that even has small walkman radios

my point exactly....

todays prison's are complete bull****

except for that tent city one.

Amen Brother Bunyip, Brother Snoopy, Brother Barry! It's too bad that we have this little thing in our constitution that says "no cruel or unusual punishment" because our society desperately needs it. We *need* things like castration for rapists and other harsh penalties for other crimes! What... you're afraid you're going to get framed for raping a chick, or she's going to say you raped her and she's got your semen all over her? It's your own fault for sleeping with the sl*t in the first place. *IF* you get convicted of a crime that you didn't commit, and you get some "harsh" penalty, THEN it's your time to sue when you get your "rights" back, but not before then. Same goes for even the lesser things Sheriff Joe is doing... Why all of these "civil cases" against him and the county? That's one of the things that is wrong with our society, we're far too sue-happy, and our government allows BS like this to happen to begin with. I agree with the statement of "when you're incarcerated, you have lost all Amendment rights". End the "I'll sue you while I'm in jail" BS and we'll all be a lot better off!

MD-2389 wrote:

Vertigo 99 wrote:When someone overdoses its a tragedy that they managed to **** their lives up that much, very rarely is it sheer stupidity.

You mean someone that doesn't pay attention to what they're doing while doping themselves up with a drug known to cause bodily harm isn't sheer stupidity?

As in, more often then not, people who do hard drugs already have fucked up lives to begin with. Its not stupidity most of the time, its desperation.

I say, we give those rotten animals even more pain!

Vertigo 99 wrote:As in, more often then not, people who do hard drugs already have ****ed up lives to begin with. Its not stupidity most of the time, its desperation.

So in other words they do it to commit suicide instead of getting off their asses and trying for a better life. Its stupidity anyway you slice it dude.

*sigh*

Ever thought they resort to drugs AFTER theyve tried everything else? some people aren't lucky enough to have people that support & love them / willpower / etc.

im not saying drugs are smart, im just saying that people who do them arent always idiots and to say that when someone overdoses its "good riddance" is possibly one of the most idiotic things ive ever heard. i have friends / acquantices who have done heavy drugs, and one of them in specific was probably one of the smartest people i know. [he's stopped the drugs by now]

For the record, I'm against cruel and unusual punishment. It's just that my definition of 'cruel and unusual' doesn't include "HBO deprivation" or "lack of air conditioning", or even "removal of all modern conveniences".

I also feel that the punishment should fit the crime. Don't castrate rapists. RAPE 'EM!