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I'm not affraid of seeing sex in any show. It is that I don't really like it in sci-fi. PBS? What about any sci-fi show before Enterprise? I mean, there was a bit of it here and there but not every other episode.


My bro watches this show and loves it. I don't watch it that much. I saw two or three episodes, thought the battle scenes were good but other than that it really wasn't something I could get addicted to. I don't even hardly watch TV because it mostly sucks anyway. Only show I really even pay attention to is Lost.


Oh and I liked the original Star Buck. Not my favorite but I thought he was good.


Dissent, as for your sexuallity, I think we would all question that if you jumped in the shower with any guy.


I don't like a character because I want to sleep with them. That is the logic of a 13 year old girl. No insult intended here, I can understand that you think she is pretty. But I like a character because I like that character and I think they are cool and interesting, not because I would like to take a shower with them.


As for Starbuck not being neutered.... are you saying that she is a shemale? That's kinda disturbing....


I have nothing against female characters. I just don't like it when they completely change a character into something and someone completely different.

I mean, I would be irritated if in 10 years they remake Lost and have someone like Adam Sandler play Sawyer.


I'm not saying BSG isn't a good show in it's own right. Sure it's a good remake really but it still isn't that unique and loses a lot of respect in my book for the changes that they made just to bring in more ratings. Not only that but it is play on an old series and a sci-fi cash cow without needing to really prove itself in order to gain a name.


I still can't say that Firefly is a good show yet, being that I don't get it where I live but by the movie I would say that it has a pretty good chance of being a good series.


I really can not mark the remake of BSG as being the best series ever made bar none.


I can say that the original ST and BSG were both awsome shows. I was more exposed to the original ST but I really liked BSG. As for sci-fi in total I still like the original Star Wars the best but I am starting to see the light with Serenity.


I think actually, even more I liked to watch Space Above And Beyond for some reason. It was sort of an ongoing war epic. I really enjoyed that show, though the characters seemed a little mechanical at times. :\ The characters and story setting were a little darker anyway so it worked well.

[]V[]essenjah wrote:I'm not affraid of seeing sex in any show. It is that I don't really like it in sci-fi. PBS? What about any sci-fi show before Enterprise? I mean, there was a bit of it here and there but not every other episode.

Its not in every episode in neo-BSG either (for the sake of clarity, from now on I'll refer to the remake as neo-BSG). There were a whopping two brief sex scenes in the four hour mini-series lasting a hand-ful of minutes combined. The first season had a whopping three that I can recall off the top of my head, which were even shorter than in the mini-series. Hardly ever other episode. You obviously haven't paid much attention because of your miniscule attention span, but there are less than 50,000 of them left. Don't you think it would be a little prudent to start making more?

As for Starbuck not being neutered.... are you saying that she is a shemale? That's kinda disturbing....

Ignorance is bliss isn't it.... Let me give you a hint: The first time we saw her was at a card table, and a minute later she decks her XO. This was in the mini-series. I'm not going to go into the reason why she decked him, so if you want to know watch the mini-series.

I have nothing against female characters. I just don't like it when they completely change a character into something and someone completely different.

Umm....who are you to judge something you yourself admitted you haven't watched much of? They don't call it a re-make for nothing. The characters are radically different. Thats like saying ST:TNG is garbage just because the characters are radically different from those in the original series. The entire plot and storyline is entirely different. Its no longer "lets run from the retarded chrome-domed robots". The neo-BSG cylons have a clue, actually use this thing called tactics and royally screw the human race. They don't just show up in ships, they infiltrate the crew with cylons that look and feel just like normal humans.

The stories are VERY in-depth and actually require you to use your brain to figure out what's going on and piece together what's going to happen next.

I'm not saying BSG isn't a good show in it's own right. Sure it's a good remake really but it still isn't that unique and loses a lot of respect in my book for the changes that they made just to bring in more ratings.

Umm....you watched a couple episodes and a few minutes here and there of others and that somehow makes you an expert on the show? Am I the only one here that sees how flawed that reasoning is? Thats like watching ten minutes of Shrek and then saying it sucks.

Oh, and you might want to try to quote the quotes you're responding to. It makes your post just slightly more coherent.

Its not in every episode in neo-BSG either (for the sake of clarity, from now on I'll refer to the remake as neo-BSG). There were a whopping two brief sex scenes in the four hour mini-series lasting a hand-ful of minutes combined. The first season had a whopping three that I can recall off the top of my head, which were even shorter than in the mini-series. Hardly ever other episode. You obviously haven't paid much attention because of your miniscule attention span, but there are less than 50,000 of them left. Don't you think it would be a little prudent to start making more?

Oh brother, there we go with the name calling and you claiming I have a miniscule attention span blah blah blah. I recall it was you that said that you wouldn't even try playing KOTOR. I guess it takes a miniscule attention span to play a 72 hour or more video game.

Ignorance is bliss isn't it.... Let me give you a hint: The first time we saw her was at a card table, and a minute later she decks her XO. This was in the mini-series. I'm not going to go into the reason why she decked him, so if you want to know watch the mini-series.

Hell my ex-gf can deck a guy if she takes the notion....

I have nothing against female characters. I just don't like it when they completely change a character into something and someone completely different.

Umm....who are you to judge something you yourself admitted you haven't watched much of? They don't call it a re-make for nothing. The characters are radically different. Thats like saying ST:TNG is garbage just because the characters are radically different from those in the original series.

No not really, you missed my point. In TNG (which I didn't care a whole lot for either but it was better than the ST's that came after it), but they didn't take Patrick Stewert and call him captain Kirk, they called him captain Picard. Also notice that it is called Star Trek: Next Generation. They are stating right off the bat that it isn't trying to re-make something. If I recall, one of the biggest complaints about I Robot (which my attention span apparently outran yours in watching) was that they didn't change the name and they used the original character names from the book and made them completely different. What should have been done with BSG if they wanted to run with a different set of characters, was that they should have made their own storyline and ran it under a slightly different title with different character names. Maybe the main character could be the daughter of the original Starbuck. Then I wouldn't complain.

The stories are VERY in-depth and actually require you to use your brain to figure out what's going on and piece together what's going to happen next.

Looked more like a lot of run of the mill fighting in space and Trek-like space battle stratagies.

Umm....you watched a couple episodes and a few minutes here and there of others and that somehow makes you an expert on the show? Am I the only one here that sees how flawed that reasoning is? Thats like watching ten minutes of Shrek and then saying it sucks.

Does it really require me to watch the whole season of every TV show available in order to say that I don't really care for it? There isn't enough time for anyone to do that. It's called, picking and choosing.

Oh, and you might want to try to quote the quotes you're responding to. It makes your post just slightly more coherent.

Ok hoss. I really didn't find it that difficult to keep track of without the quote game.


I guess this means that, going at this rate, your going to have to quote the quotes of me quoting you and then I'm going to have to quote your quotes of me quoting you, quoting me if we keep going. That will make this post, far easier to keep track of. j/k

[]V[]essenjah wrote:Oh brother, there we go with the name calling and you claiming I have a miniscule attention span blah blah blah. I recall it was you that said that you wouldn't even try playing KOTOR. I guess it takes a miniscule attention span to play a 72 hour or more video game.

I attacked your attention span because you're bitching about the show and acting like an ignorant mofo when you do. I already proved you wrong when you complained about the sex, and Starbuck, and the uniqueness about the show. And you still won't listen.

Furthermore, my gaming habits aren't on dispute here. I didn't want to try KOTOR because I don't like the genre. Thats different than watching a miniscule part of a TV series and then complaining about the content that YOU YOURSELF admitted you haven't watched much of. From what I can see, you don't have anything to stand on. If you had watched atleast the first season, then there wouldn't be any arguement here.

Hell my ex-gf can deck a guy if she takes the notion....

Good for her. However, that still doesn't disprove that the new Starbuck isn't a good character. I could go into alot more detail, but that would require me to post spoilers.

If I recall, one of the biggest complaints about I Robot (which my attention span apparently outran yours in watching) was that they didn't change the name and they used the original character names from the book and made them completely different.

What should have been done with BSG if they wanted to run with a different set of characters, was that they should have made their own storyline and ran it under a slightly different title with different character names. Maybe the main character could be the daughter of the original Starbuck. Then I wouldn't complain.

Dude, the only thing thats the same is a couple of characters, and the BASIC plot. Thats it. It can't get much different than that.

Looked more like a lot of run of the mill fighting in space and Trek-like space battle stratagies.

Guess you missed the whole Helo sub-plot. There aren't that many spacebattles in the first season.

Does it really require me to watch the whole season of every TV show available in order to say that I don't really care for it? There isn't enough time for anyone to do that. It's called, picking and choosing.

I'm not attacking the fact that you don't like neo-BSG. I'm attacking your weak reasoning. You nitpick a couple things and act like its the end of the world because they changed damn near everything.

Ok hoss. I really didn't find it that difficult to keep track of without the quote game.

I asked you to do that because a couple of posts ago you were responding to multiple parties. It makes it easier to sort it all out with quotes.

I guess this means that, going at this rate, your going to have to quote the quotes of me quoting you and then I'm going to have to quote your quotes of me quoting you, quoting me if we keep going. That will make this post, far easier to keep track of. j/k

Or you could do what I'm doing and just quote what you're responding to.

MD & Mesenger the new champions of pointless arguing!


Are you two done embarassing yourselves yet?

Jon the Great wrote:MD & Mesenger the new champions of pointless arguing!


Are you two done embarassing yourselves yet?

Not until I get the golden cup!

Top Wop wrote:Who's JMS?

JMS is the creator of Babylon 5.

It's like:

J. Michael Strazchezeroniskypants or something like that.

Oh and the similarities between the old and new Starbuck are too numerous to count.

1..They are both the best pilot in the fleet.

2..They are both wildcards.

3..They are both the same rank etc. etc.

4..They are both sluts.

5..They are both card sharks.

6..They both smoke cigars.

The list goes on and on. The only real differences are the new character has a vagina and can kick the original Starbuck's arse. She is also a more believable wildcard for sure.

And to other's earlier comments.....Sleeping and showering are two activities that don't come to mind when one thinks of the new Starbuck, unless you are talking about after.....

Well !!!, now that that's settled.

I attacked your attention span because you're bitching about the show and acting like an ignorant mofo when you do. I already proved you wrong when you complained about the sex, and Starbuck, and the uniqueness about the show. And you still won't listen.

Gonna have to show me that again.... I didn't see any proof.... Where was it again? You said that there was very little sex. My brother who probably watches it as much or more than you do. He tapes every episode and watches them every chance he can get. He complained about the sex. Really, Enterprise didn't show anything explicite if I remember correctly either. It was just mostly poinltess. But it is still there and annoying. Thus my point.

Furthermore, my gaming habits aren't on dispute here. I didn't want to try KOTOR because I don't like the genre. Thats different than watching a miniscule part of a TV series and then complaining about the content that YOU YOURSELF admitted you haven't watched much of. From what I can see, you don't have anything to stand on. If you had watched atleast the first season, then there wouldn't be any arguement here.

Dude, your judgeing a game by it's genre? That is like me saying that every car must suck because mine does. Every RPG is almost completely different from another. The only thing that defines an RPG is the fact that you play yourself in the game. You are the character and you choose what part in the story that you play, what weapons you carry, what vehicles you drive, and what clothes you wear and is usually free-roaming. GTA actually had a lot of these characteristics. That is also like saying that Descent must suck because it is considered to belong to the FPS genre, therefor it must be exactly like Quake. : Also, watching the entire first series just to find out that you don't like it is like buying every single Depeche Mode album to discover that maybe you don't care for their style of music and that you don't like a single song. (I am a Depeche Mode fan BTW but don't care for their newer albums). You end up very tired and very ticked off by the end of it because you probably spent over $100 and many hours listening to it just so that you could say that you don't like them. I'm really sure that you do this with every TV show, music album, novel, TV series, video game that has ever come out. If so, I congradualate you for not having a life. I really doubt you are like that. At least I gave the series a chance and I might watch a few more episodes if I get time. It just didn't appeal to my tastes at all. I liked the original when I was 12 but I don't care for the new one, big deal.

Hell my ex-gf can deck a guy if she takes the notion....

Good for her. However, that still doesn't disprove that the new Starbuck isn't a good character. I could go into alot more detail, but that would require me to post spoilers.

You are right here. The new Starbuck may be a cool character but she shouldn't be THE Starbuck.

Dude, the only thing thats the same is a couple of characters, and the BASIC plot. Thats it. It can't get much different than that.

Actually it could be a lot different. Such as, they could not try to rape the cash cow and actually not try to replace the old series with something that barely even resembles it. Hmmmm maybe they could be original and give the characters different names and the show a slightly different title. Wow, amazing!!
So, they changed the entire story. Same thing they did with IRobot. Interesting isn't it. Like I said, I liked IRobot for an action movie and Neo-BSG should be looked at in the same respect but the fact that they changed all of the characters and the entire story while trying to claim the same names and titles should still be looked down on.

Guess you missed the whole Helo sub-plot. There aren't that many spacebattles in the first season.

Episodes I saw all had huge space battles.

I'm not attacking the fact that you don't like neo-BSG. I'm attacking your weak reasoning. You nitpick a couple things and act like its the end of the world because they changed damn near everything.

I'm not saying it is the end of the world, nor acting as if it is. I'm simply saying that I don't classify it as the all time best Sci Fi series ever made, hands down. I consider it good but it's not like they started from scratched. They had the good ol' cash cow to milk, allready standing there, ready to go.

I asked you to do that because a couple of posts ago you were responding to multiple parties. It makes it easier to sort it all out with quotes.

Or you could do what I'm doing and just quote what you're responding to.

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I'm just givin' you a hard time man. Wanted to see if you'd get your feathers all ruffled over it.


I agree, this is a pointless argument.I simply just wanted to put BSG in it's rightfull place. I think it is an allright show but it annoys me that they changed the entire show. I would watch more of it if I had time but I don't and as everyone else, I pick and choose my shows carefully. BSG is probably a moderatly interesting show on my list but I would rather watch Lost or some of the newer shows that are coming out recently.


Maybe it could be just a matter of personal preference MD. It seems that you look at IRobot and KOTOR in the same sense that I look at neo-BSG. Some people also prefer the new War Of The World's movie over the book for some odd reason. I'm one of the people that enjoyed the book more than the movie.

I attacked your attention span because you're bitching about the show and acting like an ignorant mofo when you do. I already proved you wrong when you complained about the sex, and Starbuck, and the uniqueness about the show. And you still won't listen.

Gonna have to show me that again.... I didn't see any proof.... Where was it again? You said that there was very little sex. My brother who probably watches it as much or more than you do. He tapes every episode and watches them every chance he can get. He complained about the sex. Really, Enterprise didn't show anything explicite if I remember correctly either. It was just mostly poinltess. But it is still there and annoying. Thus my point.

Furthermore, my gaming habits aren't on dispute here. I didn't want to try KOTOR because I don't like the genre. Thats different than watching a miniscule part of a TV series and then complaining about the content that YOU YOURSELF admitted you haven't watched much of. From what I can see, you don't have anything to stand on. If you had watched atleast the first season, then there wouldn't be any arguement here.

Dude, your judgeing a game by it's genre? That is like me saying that every car must suck because mine does. Every RPG is almost completely different from another. The only thing that defines an RPG is the fact that you play yourself in the game. You are the character and you choose what part in the story that you play, what weapons you carry, what vehicles you drive, and what clothes you wear and is usually free-roaming. GTA actually had a lot of these characteristics. That is also like saying that Descent must suck because it is considered to belong to the FPS genre, therefor it must be exactly like Quake. : Also, watching the entire first series just to find out that you don't like it is like buying every single Depeche Mode album to discover that maybe you don't care for their style of music and that you don't like a single song. (I am a Depeche Mode fan BTW but don't care for their newer albums). You end up very tired and very ticked off by the end of it because you probably spent over $100 and many hours listening to it just so that you could say that you don't like them. I'm really sure that you do this with every TV show, music album, novel, TV series, video game that has ever come out. If so, I congradualate you for not having a life. I really doubt you are like that. At least I gave the series a chance and I might watch a few more episodes if I get time. It just didn't appeal to my tastes at all. I liked the original when I was 12 but I don't care for the new one, big deal.

Hell my ex-gf can deck a guy if she takes the notion....

Good for her. However, that still doesn't disprove that the new Starbuck isn't a good character. I could go into alot more detail, but that would require me to post spoilers.

You are right here. The new Starbuck may be a cool character but she shouldn't be THE Starbuck.

Dude, the only thing thats the same is a couple of characters, and the BASIC plot. Thats it. It can't get much different than that.

Actually it could be a lot different. Such as, they could not try to rape the cash cow and actually not try to replace the old series with something that barely even resembles it. Hmmmm maybe they could be original and give the characters different names and the show a slightly different title. Wow, amazing!!
So, they changed the entire story. Same thing they did with IRobot. Interesting isn't it. Like I said, I liked IRobot for an action movie and Neo-BSG should be looked at in the same respect but the fact that they changed all of the characters and the entire story while trying to claim the same names and titles should still be looked down on.

Guess you missed the whole Helo sub-plot. There aren't that many spacebattles in the first season.

Episodes I saw all had huge space battles.

I'm not attacking the fact that you don't like neo-BSG. I'm attacking your weak reasoning. You nitpick a couple things and act like its the end of the world because they changed damn near everything.

I'm not saying it is the end of the world, nor acting as if it is. I'm simply saying that I don't classify it as the all time best Sci Fi series ever made, hands down. I consider it good but it's not like they started from scratched. They had the good ol' cash cow to milk, allready standing there, ready to go.

I asked you to do that because a couple of posts ago you were responding to multiple parties. It makes it easier to sort it all out with quotes.

Or you could do what I'm doing and just quote what you're responding to.

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I'm just givin' you a hard time man. Wanted to see if you'd get your feathers all ruffled over it.


I agree, this is a pointless argument.I simply just wanted to put BSG in it's rightfull place. I think it is an allright show but it annoys me that they changed the entire show. I would watch more of it if I had time but I don't and as everyone else, I pick and choose my shows carefully. BSG is probably a moderatly interesting show on my list but I would rather watch Lost or some of the newer shows that are coming out recently.


Maybe it could be just a matter of personal preference MD. It seems that you look at IRobot and KOTOR in the same sense that I look at neo-BSG. Some people also prefer the new War Of The World's movie over the book for some odd reason. I'm one of the people that enjoyed the book more than the movie.

I attacked your attention span because you're bitching about the show and acting like an ignorant mofo when you do. I already proved you wrong when you complained about the sex, and Starbuck, and the uniqueness about the show. And you still won't listen.

Gonna have to show me that again.... I didn't see any proof.... Where was it again? You said that there was very little sex. My brother who probably watches it as much or more than you do. He tapes every episode and watches them every chance he can get. He complained about the sex. Really, Enterprise didn't show anything explicite if I remember correctly either. It was just mostly poinltess. But it is still there and annoying. Thus my point.

Furthermore, my gaming habits aren't on dispute here. I didn't want to try KOTOR because I don't like the genre. Thats different than watching a miniscule part of a TV series and then complaining about the content that YOU YOURSELF admitted you haven't watched much of. From what I can see, you don't have anything to stand on. If you had watched atleast the first season, then there wouldn't be any arguement here.

Dude, your judgeing a game by it's genre? That is like me saying that every car must suck because mine does. Every RPG is almost completely different from another. The only thing that defines an RPG is the fact that you play yourself in the game. You are the character and you choose what part in the story that you play, what weapons you carry, what vehicles you drive, and what clothes you wear and is usually free-roaming. GTA actually had a lot of these characteristics. That is also like saying that Descent must suck because it is considered to belong to the FPS genre, therefor it must be exactly like Quake. : Also, watching the entire first series just to find out that you don't like it is like buying every single Depeche Mode album to discover that maybe you don't care for their style of music and that you don't like a single song. (I am a Depeche Mode fan BTW but don't care for their newer albums). You end up very tired and very ticked off by the end of it because you probably spent over $100 and many hours listening to it just so that you could say that you don't like them. I'm really sure that you do this with every TV show, music album, novel, TV series, video game that has ever come out. If so, I congradualate you for not having a life. I really doubt you are like that. At least I gave the series a chance and I might watch a few more episodes if I get time. It just didn't appeal to my tastes at all. I liked the original when I was 12 but I don't care for the new one, big deal.

Hell my ex-gf can deck a guy if she takes the notion....

Good for her. However, that still doesn't disprove that the new Starbuck isn't a good character. I could go into alot more detail, but that would require me to post spoilers.

You are right here. The new Starbuck may be a cool character but she shouldn't be THE Starbuck.

Dude, the only thing thats the same is a couple of characters, and the BASIC plot. Thats it. It can't get much different than that.

Actually it could be a lot different. Such as, they could not try to rape the cash cow and actually not try to replace the old series with something that barely even resembles it. Hmmmm maybe they could be original and give the characters different names and the show a slightly different title. Wow, amazing!!
So, they changed the entire story. Same thing they did with IRobot. Interesting isn't it. Like I said, I liked IRobot for an action movie and Neo-BSG should be looked at in the same respect but the fact that they changed all of the characters and the entire story while trying to claim the same names and titles should still be looked down on.

Guess you missed the whole Helo sub-plot. There aren't that many spacebattles in the first season.

Episodes I saw all had huge space battles.

I'm not attacking the fact that you don't like neo-BSG. I'm attacking your weak reasoning. You nitpick a couple things and act like its the end of the world because they changed damn near everything.

I'm not saying it is the end of the world, nor acting as if it is. I'm simply saying that I don't classify it as the all time best Sci Fi series ever made, hands down. I consider it good but it's not like they started from scratched. They had the good ol' cash cow to milk, allready standing there, ready to go.

I asked you to do that because a couple of posts ago you were responding to multiple parties. It makes it easier to sort it all out with quotes.

Or you could do what I'm doing and just quote what you're responding to.

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I'm just givin' you a hard time man. Wanted to see if you'd get your feathers all ruffled over it.


I agree, this is a pointless argument.I simply just wanted to put BSG in it's rightfull place. I think it is an allright show but it annoys me that they changed the entire show. I would watch more of it if I had time but I don't and as everyone else, I pick and choose my shows carefully. BSG is probably a moderatly interesting show on my list but I would rather watch Lost or some of the newer shows that are coming out recently.


Maybe it could be just a matter of personal preference MD. It seems that you look at IRobot and KOTOR in the same sense that I look at neo-BSG. Some people also prefer the new War Of The World's movie over the book for some odd reason. I'm one of the people that enjoyed the book more than the movie.

[]V[]essenjah wrote:Gonna have to show me that again.... I didn't see any proof.... Where was it again? You said that there was very little sex. My brother who probably watches it as much or more than you do. He tapes every episode and watches them every chance he can get. He complained about the sex.

Sex:

me earlier in this thread wrote:There were a whopping two brief sex scenes in the four hour mini-series lasting a hand-ful of minutes combined. The first season had a whopping three that I can recall off the top of my head, which were even shorter than in the mini-series.

Lets say for the sake of arguement that each episode comprised of 45 minutes to make room for commercial time (which is the average length of each SG-1 episode sans commercials). Thats five sex scenes averaging out to around 2 - 3 minutes each. The complete first season had roughly 26 episodes if memory serves. Thats a total of 1170 minutes of content. Now lets go for an upper limit and say the sex scenes lasted for a whopping 5 minutes (which is well over average for the Scifi channel, and would be about right if you took all of the innuendos together, if you consider a few innuendo's as "sex content"). Five scenes lasting five minutes each. I don't think I need to walk you through the calculations on that one.

Starbuck:

This section, as well as the next one, will contain minor spoilers. Highlight at your own risk. (I really tried to refrain from posting spoilers earlier to prove my point.)

The new Starbuck is vastly different from the old one. She isn't afraid to knock the crap out of anyone that crosses her. Furthermore, it isn't even her name, its just her callsign. (like "Maverick" in "Top Gun") Just like Apollo is Lee Adama's callsign in both the original and remake. You also got to see part of her past *spoiler* [spoiler]which revealed that she's partly responsible for the death of Commander Adama's other son[/spoiler]. She isn't afraid to cross the line a little to get the job done. Like I also mentioned earlier in this thread, it doesn't matter who you are, act like an ass and she'll knock the piss out of you. And oh yeah, she didn't have to play sherriff!

Uniqueness:

It isn't just "lets flying around visiting backwater planets, mingling with the locals in the vain hope of a few handouts" anymore. There are very detailed sub-plots here. You have the cylon infiltration plot. They can look, smell, feel, and act just like us now. Its gotten to the point where theres a witch hunt every now and then for the next cylon infiltrator. And there isn't just one of each, but many copies. Another sub-plot is Sharon (Boomer). She doesn't know who she really is (which was revealed at the end of the mini-series). *spoiler*[spoiler]She's even blacked out and done things without knowing it.[/spoiler] Then theres the entire Caprica sub-plot involving Helo trying to stay alive long enough to find a way off. Then you have the President and her illness, and who will eventually take her place. (this involves Richard Hatch, who played the original Apollo btw) I could go on and on, but you get the point.

Really, Enterprise didn't show anything explicite if I remember correctly either. It was just mostly poinltess. But it is still there and annoying. Thus my point.

Eh, you must've missed the rubdown sequence in the pilot episode. Granted, you didn't really see anything. I didn't watch much beyond the first season, though I did catch part of another episode which involved that asian chick (the translator woman, who's name escapes me atm) falling out of a rather tight vent, which ripped her top off. You didn't see anything, but it was heavily implied. I will admit that they are a distraction from everything else, and can get annoying if overdone (rave scene in the second matrix movie comes to mind...). However it wasn't an all the time thing here either.

Dude, your judgeing a game by it's genre?

Hey, I tried a few of the games in the RPG genre. Birth of the Federation REALLY springs to mind. I *really* tried to get into that one, but it got to the point where I just couldn't get into it. I even tried to get into Homeworld, which is a semi-decent game in its own right. The only game of that genre that I actually considered buying was Diablo, and I would have at the time if I had the money. And fyi, I actually did do a little digging on KOTOR, and from what I saw it looked like yet another Battlefront (which damn near every SW fan I've met hates with a passion). Galaxies looked interesting, but I refuse to buy pay to play games.

Also, watching the entire first series just to find out that you don't like it is like buying every single Depeche Mode album to discover that maybe you don't care for their style of music and that you don't like a single song.

Actually, it'd be more like buying one album to listen to all of the tracks....if you really wanted to nitpick. Buying every single album would be akin to buying every season set, which I will admit outright that this would be a tad bit on the extreme side just to find out if you liked it. However, since your brother taped all of the episodes, the only effort on your part would be watching all of them. I would really suggest you watch them in order though simply because its really hard to get into the show if you just watched a couple, stopped, and then came back. You'd be going "wtf happened to that character?!" half the time.

Actually it could be a lot different. Such as, they could not try to rape the cash cow and actually not try to replace the old series with something that barely even resembles it.

1. neo-BSG is hardly raping the original series. Different, yes.
2. BSG is hardly a cash cow. It sold enough DVD boxsets to make neo-BSG worth making, yes. However, it (the original) never really lasted beyond its first season. (and I refuse to acknowlege the existance of Galactica 1980) Granted, that might have turned out to be different if Lucas had left the show alone and not sued Fox over the use of certain weapon effects.

Hmmmm maybe they could be original and give the characters different names and the show a slightly different title. Wow, amazing!!

But then it wouldn't be Galactica now would it?

Like I said, I liked IRobot for an action movie and Neo-BSG should be looked at in the same respect but the fact that they changed all of the characters and the entire story while trying to claim the same names and titles should still be looked down on.

If they did it wrong, I would agree with you. A perfect example of getting it wrong would be the remake of "War of the Worlds". All they did was piss all over the original and went on their own slant. Ron Moore didn't do this with neo-BSG. He fully acknowleged the previous series and has made several references to it just for the hell of it.

Episodes I saw all had huge space battles.

Lets just say that quite a few of the episodes had more internal battles than external. If you really want to know more, read the synopses on the neo-BSG website on scifi.com.

I'm not saying it is the end of the world, nor acting as if it is. I'm simply saying that I don't classify it as the all time best Sci Fi series ever made, hands down. I consider it good but it's not like they started from scratched.

Which is fair enough.

I'm just givin' you a hard time man. Wanted to see if you'd get your feathers all ruffled over it.

Just like I did you. Notice the emoticon?


Maybe it could be just a matter of personal preference MD. It seems that you look at IRobot and KOTOR in the same sense that I look at neo-BSG. [/quote]

Oh no, I absolutely hate the I, Robot movie. That was just plain AWEFUL and WAY over-hyped. If the book had never existed, and they made the robot rebellion last longer, it might've been alot better.

On the original topic:

I've never seen Firefly. I watched Serenity, and thought it rocked. Then I watched it again, and thought it rocked even more. Great movie.

Eh, you must've missed the rubdown sequence in the pilot episode. Granted, you didn't really see anything. I didn't watch much beyond the first season, though I did catch part of another episode which involved that asian chick (the translator woman, who's name escapes me atm) falling out of a rather tight vent, which ripped her top off. You didn't see anything, but it was heavily implied. I will admit that they are a distraction from everything else, and can get annoying if overdone (rave scene in the second matrix movie comes to mind...). However it wasn't an all the time thing here either.

Yeah, I saw the rubdown part. I actually watched about half of the first season and I sorta got bored. It wasn't really explicite IMO. You never really saw anything and they used the excuse that they had to staralize everything. Just stupid and pointless :

Hey, I tried a few of the games in the RPG genre. Birth of the Federation REALLY springs to mind. I *really* tried to get into that one, but it got to the point where I just couldn't get into it. I even tried to get into Homeworld, which is a semi-decent game in its own right. The only game of that genre that I actually considered buying was Diablo, and I would have at the time if I had the money. And fyi, I actually did do a little digging on KOTOR, and from what I saw it looked like yet another Battlefront (which damn near every SW fan I've met hates with a passion). Galaxies looked interesting, but I refuse to buy pay to play games.

Diablo never really struck me as a game I'd like. Homeworld was actually RTS and not RPG really. The only downside to KOTOR is that it takes a while to get into. The second game is easier to get into but it's not as worth it as KOTOR 1. KOTOR 2 starts fast and ends with you going WTF? KOTOR 1 starts really slow and ends with you going: HOLY SNOT!! You have to get beyond the first city and then the game opens up. You can travel to any planet you want and you end up being trained to become a jedi. What REALLY rocks about this game is that in most games you can play the role of a character but this is one of the first and only games that I became involved with another character in the game. It is weird but really cool. There is a huge backstory and massive quests behind each of your companions. (You have a total of about 9) and they will only activate at certain points. You even have the opportunity to turn characters away from the darkside with very complex and dynamic dialogue. However, the first level you don't see anything. It's just you and a character trying to escape a ship. The next mission you just sort of run around in this city trying to figure out how to leave. After that, it is like GTA in that you can go anywhere you want because you have your own ship. I don't think Galaxies was even that addicting, though I can't really judge that. Just from what I have heard others say. And I agree with you about Battlefront. It was ok but not something that can pull you in. The story behind KOTOR was better than any of the films and far more in depth and thought provoking.

Actually, it'd be more like buying one album to listen to all of the tracks....if you really wanted to nitpick. Buying every single album would be akin to buying every season set, which I will admit outright that this would be a tad bit on the extreme side just to find out if you liked it. However, since your brother taped all of the episodes, the only effort on your part would be watching all of them. I would really suggest you watch them in order though simply because its really hard to get into the show if you just watched a couple, stopped, and then came back. You'd be going "wtf happened to that character?!" half the time.

Well, to buy a season is a tad bit expensive. I also, can't really watch his tapes since he lives in another state. That'd be a lot of gas. But I might pick up the series if I ever get a few extra bucks somewhere.

(and I refuse to acknowlege the existance of Galactica 1980) Granted, that might have turned out to be different if Lucas had left the show alone and not sued Fox over the use of certain weapon effects.

I can vouche for that. That show was pure crap.

But then it wouldn't be Galactica now would it?

Just like I guess ST:NG wasn't Star Trek?

If they did it wrong, I would agree with you. A perfect example of getting it wrong would be the remake of "War of the Worlds". All they did was piss all over the original and went on their own slant. Ron Moore didn't do this with neo-BSG. He fully acknowleged the previous series and has made several references to it just for the hell of it.

I agree there but I would still feel better if the modifed the name a tad bit.

Which is fair enough.

Glad you now can understand what I was trying to explain.

I'm just givin' you a hard time man. Wanted to see if you'd get your feathers all ruffled over it.

Just like I did you. Notice the emoticon?

Oh no, I absolutely hate the I, Robot movie. That was just plain AWEFUL and WAY over-hyped. If the book had never existed, and they made the robot rebellion last longer, it might've been alot better.

Yes, but I actually sort of liked it for an action flick. Nothing more though. Not really mind bending but it was fun. Not really something that I would yell YAY about, but I enjoyed it. I would even say that WOTW which I loathe would be decent as a stand alone and hadn't been a direct rip-off of an awsome book. I never read I Robot but I agree that it was really uber crap that it was a rip off as well and is really classified up with WOTW for me.