Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2006 2:55 pm
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What does rural Pennsylvania have to do with cell phones? I'm missing something. People on the airplane called their relative's cell phones through the airphones, what does that have to do with cell phone reception on the airplane itself?Zuruck wrote:Thanks Topher, I grew up in Colorado, I know how tall the mountains are. Airphones work through the transmission of the airplanes, hence, no interference. Cell phones really don't work at altitude, besides, how many cell phones are there in rural Penn??
This is exactly what a conspiracy theorist does. They ask questions to get attention but they will never be satisfied with the answers they get, so all they can do is ask more questions no matter how nonsensical they become ("What if the government diverted people from the plane and killed them in secret!?").Zuruck wrote:I'm not saying 9/11 was caused by the govt, I'm saying as an American you HAVE TO ASK QUESTIONS!!
Quote me where I said it was un-American to ask questions.Zuruck wrote:Ack, grammar error. I meant cell phone towers in rural Penn. And no Toph, you're wrong. It's not un-American to ask questions, that's exactly what they have you believing. This country USED to be that you didn't have to just believe what they told you, but now it seems that so many of you suffice to just that.
What should we rely on if not science and physics?Zuruck wrote:Why does the US govt rely on Popular Mechanics to prove the 9/11 fiasco?
Lots of pictures of plane debris:Zuruck wrote: Why was there no plane debris in Penn?
Because he was told to by his aid behind the camera. I can't and won't justify why that's a good or bad move. I think inciting a panic by rushing out of the room would have been a bigger media blunder than not doing anything. None the less, I don't think Bush's reaction points to any clear conspiracies.Zuruck wrote: Why did Bush wait 11 min before blinking on 9/11?
Now there is a good American question. Could 9/11 have been prevented? That's a debate for a different thread.Zuruck wrote: Why did the FBI not do a single thing concerning the memo that an officer wrote about the very thing that Rice said they had no idea was going?
You're making quite the claim here. No debris found at the Pentagon and Bush not moving from his seat then means that the government didn't have anything to do with it? So what hit the Pentagon if there wasn't a plane? And what's the plane-like debris including engines shown in the links above? And explain it all without the governments involvement, since that's your claim.Zuruck wrote: Connect the dots big guy, they didn't have a hand in it but they weren't too far behind.
And what is Lobber/Diedel/every other consipracy theorist that wants attention doing to you? Lets state some vague psuedo-ideas and let everyone else run with them. They don't even state facts! They just ask questions and people turn those questions into facts and now no one is claiming anything, just saying "think about", all because you're afraid of being proven wrong and losing your lime light.Zuruck wrote: It's like hockey, you don't want to get the instigator but you want to fight, get the other guy to start the fight.
There was. There was plenty of it. It just didn't look like you expected it to. When a plane hits the ground at close to 500mph there is very little left that is recognizable as an airplane.Zuruck wrote:Why was there no plane debris in Penn?
And what's a 110 story tower collapsing in on itself suppose to sound like?Teddy wrote:To sum up the 500 or so reports, the vast majority aggred that they heard 3 very loud bombs go off and alot of poping seconds before the collaps of each tower....
Really? Show me the videosTeddy wrote: Here is as far as I agree with them. Jet fule does not burn hot enough to melt steel,let alne get it to where it is whit hot. But several videos and alot of eye whitnesses had seen MOLTEN WHITE HOT steel pouring out of the building right before it collapsed( it looked strangly like thermite detonation).
Pictures please.Teddy wrote: On top of that, up to 6 weeks after the collapse, the cleanup crews recorded that they were still comming acrossed MOLTEN RED hot steel. What could have possably melted the steel ALL THE WAY to the basement??
Really, I don't see how you can draw conclusions about the smoke. Smoke's color is determine by it's thickness and the material it's burning. How does heat figure into this?Teddy wrote: Some other strange facts about the tempature-
The smoke was a very dark black and very thick... anyone who has volinteered for your local fire department knows this is a sign of a not so hot fire or one that is going out...
Ok, what about the 79-110 floors?One of the fire fighters made it up to the 78th floor and stated that the fires were almost out!!!
Show me. Plenty of pictures of people above the whole, I haven't seen plenty of photons of people instead the whole though.there is plenty of video and photos of people STANDING in the gaping holes where the planes hit, after the fires died down a bit.... seems to me that if it was SOOOO hot on that floor that it weakened the steel, and caused that pancake collapse.... these people would have died on the spot from the heat...
It was hit by debris, see below.Bankers Trust, which was up against one of the towers had a fiery 600 ton chunk of the tower fall all the way through the building starting fires through many of it's floors, but somehow building 7 which SOMEHOW started on fire even much later(it wasnt hit by debris or a plane) collapsed.
The World Trade Center was an enormously complex structure. Over 50,000 people worked their everyday. Show me a place where 50,000 people work on less than 16 acres and you'll be able to collect tons of seemingly relavent tidbits of information. For example, say the White House is hit by a tornado. Do records of window washers having the day off prove the government caused it?the fire systems of all these buildings were set on "test" mode at 8:30 in the morning disableing the sprinkler system(read eye witness reports, no fire supressions systems were working and several fire fighters noticed)
Why did the investigation not turn up the fact that Marvin Bush headed up the secruity for the tower complex up untill the day of 9/11 and starting 3 weeks before the planes hit, all bomb sniffing dogs were removed and large sections of the buildings were cleared out for "security upgrades" ect...
Standing for over an hour after having been hit by an airliner isn't resistance? As soon as 20 stories of concrete fall the 15 feet to the next floor, there's no way it's just going to hold it. The material will just continue to fall through, pushing all other material out of the way. You can see puffs of smoke as all the air is thrust out the window from the floors below as the material falls through the center. Also, the towers didn't collapse in a straight downward motion, they billowed out to the sides.if the building collapsed by this pancake theory, how did it do so at nearly free fall? If the supports didnt melt as the Popular Mechanics article states, shouldn't they have put up SOME resistance???
17 and 32 hours?And again, why did building 7 collapse again? no plane and the fires were very small.... 2 other big skyscraper fires have happened since 9/11 and one burned from floor to roof the other one was from half way up to the roof, neither was designed nearly as well but they burned WHITE HOT(you could see the steel glowing) and they didnt collapse..... seems strange to me since building 7 was only on fire for 4 to 5 hours and collapsed and these other 2 burned for like 17 and 32 hours(i think) and didnt collapse and one was still supporting a construction crane. I guess we hired the wrong construction crews????
OMG! O RLY?! I mean, it wasn't the World Biscuit Towers or even the World PB+J Towers, what was their real name again?USA Today did a report on the computer hardrives that were recovered, starting 1 hour BEFORE the first plane hit, there was alot of money being transfered around. this went on till the buildings went down... Again WTF is up with that????
No, please, we're just getting started. Post any more fishy "crap" you come across.There is way too much fishy crap for me to post it all on here, I just wonder how long till most Americans look at just what is going on, it didnt take Bush long to put together that so called Patriot Act, for me I believe he had it ready to go all along.....
Building 7 damage (from a Building 7 conspiracy site!)Teddy wrote:and now it's your turn to show some evidence.... show me Pics of where building 7 EVER got any damage from debris, and how did it catch on fire from jet fule? show how exactly this happened, building 7 was on a diffrent city block.....The official report states that they dont know what started the fires, or why the building actually collapsed, the only possable explanation is desel fuel used for the emergeny generator somehow caught on fire.....
Ok, show me a source. How can there be thermite reactions that are so hot they make steel white hot and yet the fire isn't burning completely? Come on, what are you trying to say? "WTC was destroyed from thermite reations after the plane crashed into it" would be saying something.As for the black smoke it is often a sighn of incomplete combustion, usually by a fire that is not hot enough to completely burn what is on fire...
Yup, I'll give you jet fuel can't turn steel molten white hot. However, lots of other things can cause sparks too, such as:pics of molten steel pouring out of building(there is a much better video out there)
http://www.checktheevidence.com/911/Thermite2.htm
Keep in mind, it was IMPOSSABLE for jet fule to get the steel to where it was white hot, even popular mechanics states that
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidenc ... hole1.html
I don't really have a hard time believing that people could hang out there.Here are some pic's of people climbing down into the open hole in the building, on the floor where the jet crashed where the fires were so hot that it weakened the beams....If you think these were photo choped, the news also had some clips of this.