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I find it interesting that AQ isn't attacking bhuddists, monks, baha'i's, hindus, sikh's or chinese tradionals....

yet they attack the west and it's supporters.

Think for a moment why this may be. Is it because of differing beliefs? doubtful.. otherwise they'd wage a war against every other religious believer in the world.

Or is it because of something else...

The definition of Terrorism is \"The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.\" Meaning terrorism is employed as a tactic for change.

Using that, what could these reasons be? Perhaps supporting despotic and brutal regimes (Saddam Hussein)to get at resources contained within the borders? Or the fact that the US adminstration has shown to really not care about it's own people (hurricane Katrina) unless it benefits them? Or perhaps that some soldiers in Iraq have actually raped civilians?

When you don't have a textbook army, but a lot of money, a strong belief, and reasons that would outrage just about anyone.. what would you do in that situation?

That whole 'eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth' seems to be in effect here.

Ferno wrote:I find it interesting that AQ isn't attacking bhuddists, monks, baha'i's, hindus, sikh's or chinese tradionals....

yet they attack the west and it's supporters.

Think for a moment why this may be. Is it because of differing beliefs? doubtful.. otherwise they'd wage a war against every other religious believer in the world.

Read the answer to your question here
He doesn't like the way our culture has, in his view, poisoned the world.
Just because he hasn't targeted all of the infidels doesn't mean he doesn't want to. He's picking his battles to maximize his power. If he started with the Sunni's for instance he'd lose support from some factions in the arab world, but attacking the U.S. who protects Israel is a safe bet and a fine recruiting tool. Read his writings and those of his fellow clerics you will see they will ultimately demand even the more moderate arabs surrender to his interpretation of the Koran. When they were leaving Afghanastan at the end of the war against the USSR he wanted to go back to Saudi Arabia and start an insurgency there and he wanted all the jihadi's to go back to their respective countries and do the same but they didn't warm up to his plan. It was most likely bin Laddin who assasinated the original founder of al Queda at that point because he was going to go back to being a regular guy, disband the orginazation...the war was over and he didn't want to go along with Ossama's plan to take the fundamentalism back to their arab homelands and continue the fight there.

Then enter the U.S. into Saudi Arabia to rescue Kuwait...infidels in the holy land!!
A perfect catalyst to rally more fundamentalists...keep his power growing. Why do you think the Royals in Saudi Arabia had him banned? Not because he was anti-western, it was because he was anti-moderate islam!

Ossama would turn Saudi Arabia and any arab state he can into an islamo-fascist theocracy. We already have Iran and you can see how they've exported their terror, we see how they set Hezbollah loose on the world. Do you really think Ossama wouldn't do the same if we would just back off and let the arabs finish Hitlers genocide? There is no way we can survive and let him have his way because his way includes the demise of western values, western law and all that america stands for!

you actually assumed i didn't read the article you linked?

and you believe Iran is exporting terror?

LOL. This is up there with the 'Saddam moved his WMD's to Syria' line.

To date, there has been no official ties between Iran and AQ. I see that story being used over and over again in the media with almost nothing to back it up.

\"Do you really think Ossama wouldn't do the same if we would just back off and let the arabs finish Hitlers genocide?\"

Okay.. number one. Hitler and his ilk built concentration camps. Number two, the nazis invaded every country they could in their drive for world domination. Number three, the nazis rounded up an insane number of jewish, christian and other people they believed to be 'inferior', put them in forced labor camps and then killed them off via gas chamber. What you posted is a hashbash of history, and somewhat insane.

Oh and Osama is.. rather dead.

Ferno wrote:you actually assumed i didn't read the article you linked?

You may have read it but you obviously prefer to fabricate your own reasoning for Ossama's motives rather than discuss the real reasons which he laid out in quite a bit of detail!

Ferno wrote:and you believe Iran is exporting terror?

LOL. This is up there with the 'Saddam moved his WMD's to Syria' line.

Yea Ferno, I do. Do you know the history of Hezbollah?
In the early '80's Iran sent thousands of their revolutionary guard to Lebanon to form and train Hezbollah. You should check into what kind of things they have been doing since then before you try to ridicule my position because it really makes you look foolish to anyone with even a slight bit of knowledge of the subject!!
and Hezbollah is just one facet of their involvement in terrorism!

Do you know who is pouring into southern Iraq and responsible for the majority of the IED's blowing up our boys over there? That's right, Iran.
so from their inception right up to today they haven't slowed down one bit.
Do some homework.

To date, there has been no official ties between Iran and AQ. I see that story being used over and over again in the media with almost nothing to back it up.

Although this point has nothing to do with anything I said I'll be glad to show you a link between the two. They are both islamo-facsists entities who use terrorism to kill and torture the infidels.
So if one was fighting a war on american sports and you tried to tell me there is no tie between major league baseball and the national football league I'd have to ask 'What the hell is wrong with you?' They may not be sharing locker rooms but they are both american sports orginazations. See the connection now in the context of a War on Terror? Yea, yea, I know, you think we should be fighting a War-on-a-few-Terrorists-hiding-in-cave-in Pakistan so it just doesn't make sense to you.
Well you go ahead and start your own little too-narrow-of-a-focus-to-be-of-any-real-use-war and let the rest of the world continue to deal with the big picture ok?

The problem now appears to be a widening of the middle east war by Hezbollah. The latest news of a Iranian supplied silkworm missile fired at a IDF war vessel by Iranian troops in Lebannon, if true marks a serious escalation. If Israel believes Iran is involved, opens a whole new front. Remember Israel supposedly has submarine launched nukes and if the only way the IDF has to punish Tehran is to use their nukes then I suspect they will do so. Before you pooh pooh the notion, Israel feels threatened and now has no choice but to eliminate the threats. Pulling out of Lebannon years ago didn't cure the problem nor did pulling out of the Gaza Strip solve anything. The terrorist Hamas and Hezbollah both recieve funds from Iran so I can't see any choice for Israel but to finish the war once and for all. Unfortunately the average joe blow is going to suffer the most. I suspect we will be dragged into the coming conflict as we have a decent force in Iraq. I would look to see if any troop increases are moved into Iraq as a indicator of things to come.

The way things have been going over the last few decades it seems like all out war with islamofacist states is only going to be more and more deadly as time marches on because no one is stepping up to keep them under armed and under funded. So better now than later.

But if Hezbollah is right and all out open war has begun it's going to be hell on earth in the middle east with reprecussions that reach everywhere in the world!

If we see Israel sending ground troops in large numbers into Lebanon, not just fast moving raiding parties running in to hit a target and slip out but instead full out mechanized divisions etc. then watch out for the worst. A long drawn out war that escalates and has many fronts will most likely ensue and westerners everywhere in the region and beyond are going to be hostage bait for all sorts of terrorist factions. It's going to be very bad for a lot of people for a long long time!

I think all the islamofacsist leaders know that they can't defeat Israel and with the U.S. having such a strong military presence in the area right now I wonder what they are really after? Maybe they are trying to draw us into actual combat to defend Israel. Maybe they sense the U.S. was going to prevail in Iraq and this is their way to make a mess where otherwise a new begining was going to be born. Kind of a scorched earth policy on their part....

I still like the Black Five withdrawel plan. Perhaps this is what Iran is really worried about. I'm just wondering if there is a armed insurgency going on in Iran and we just don't know about it.

woodchip wrote:I still like the Black Five withdrawel plan.

Quite memorable, isn't it?

For those who don't know what I'm talking about, look here.