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TIGERassault wrote:Okay, I'll bite. Here's the things why I think the USA is lacking in "good-country-ness", as one Me put it.
1: It donates very little of its GDP to charity. For the WFP, of the 22 countries that promised to try and donate 7% of its GDP, the USA donates the second least, just ahead of Greece.
2: Racism. Yes, blatant racism has been banned, but black people still have considerably lower incomes on average. Heck, the fact that the phrase "black culture" is so commonplace fairly shows that point. And that's only for black people; when you add in foreigners, things get really hairy.
3: I am NOT going to go into more depth about the whole "riot against French products because their country backed out of the war" incident.
4: A very high rate of obesity. 'Nuff said.
5: Wars, wars, wars, wars, wars...
6: A high level of religious loonies. In Europe, we get very little of that "this movie/game has magic in it therefore we must protest against it as loudly as possible" stuff (seriously, EVERYONE I know that goes to any of those traditional game cons in both continents says that), and nobody goes haywire over any cult-like religions that we hear so much coming from America.
7: Bush got elected. Twice. That doesn't say much for his country.

...and that's all I can remember off the top of my head.

OMG you've got to be kidding me!!!!!! you are joking right??????
those have got to be some of the most asinine reasons I have ever heard of, they sound like they came from a bunch whiny teenage girls
so this is what qualifies as "good-country-ness" to you??
your from Ireland correct??? NOOOO no religious loonies there with the whole Protestant, Catholic (see point 6) war (see point 5)(see point 2) raging for CENTURIES.
You hate us because we are fat?!?!?!?!?! what do you plan to ask us out on a date???
Bush got elected twice BOO HOO you sound like a Democratic party poster child.

just exactly how much does Ireland donate to charity??? the US donates almost 13 billion ever year along with another 4 billion (25%of the total funding) to fund the world charity Joke called the UN so that 17 Billion. not to mention the BILLIONS donated by private charity organizations in this country, the US is the largest Private donator in the world but apparently you guys still want more of our money. We hate the US but we want us your money. maybe we should stop all our funding and see how many die then or how many countries in the rest of the world step up.
P.S. Boy you must REALLY love Russia then, since they don't donate SQUAT to help the rest of the world.
P.S.S. Maybe the rest of the world should start looking in the Mirror before they start accusing others for the worlds problems. you blame all the worlds Ills on us but refuse to clean your own house. bunch of self righteous bigots.

Man I feel better, I thought he was going to point out the really bad stuff.

Also...

Answer to toon question 1: You’re an Idiot.

Answer to toon question 2: I hope not.

Answer to toon question 3: It wasn’t intended to.

Answer to toon question 4: You said it.

TIGERassault wrote:1: It donates very little of its GDP to charity. For the WFP, of the 22 countries that promised to try and donate 7% of its GDP, the USA donates the second least, just ahead of Greece.

What is the total of monetary and material aid that flows out of the U.S. and how does that compare to the countries that made your good-country-ness list?
I know for a fact that just taking the ammount we donate to the World Food Program wouldn't necessarily reflect the level of giving we maintain. Ever hear of the Marshall plan?

2: Racism. Yes, blatant racism has been banned, but black people still have considerably lower incomes on average. Heck, the fact that the phrase "black culture" is so commonplace fairly shows that point. And that's only for black people; when you add in foreigners, things get really hairy.

Any thought on the actual cause and effect behind your statistic?
As of the 94 census: Blacks have twice the number per capita unemployed and 3 times the number living below the poverty level. I doubt you'll ever find the Help Wanted section of any paper in America without a long list of jobs available. In spite of any racism they might face the jobs are there to be had, if you want to make money the first step is to get a job!
Racism isn't the reason that "black culture", as you call it, breeds so many people who will live off the government tit instead of taking the hard road toward financial independance. A bunch of lazy bastards will drag down any demographics stats!


I know I started out at age 14 busing tables and washing dishes for minimum wage, worked at a lot of different low paying jobs and ultimately taught myself my current trade. I bought the books from the local community college sat on my couch and read them at night after work instead of wasting my life/potential/money on whatever else I could have been doing.
It paid off and I now own a thriving HVAC/R contracting business. Nobody gave it to me because I'm white, I went out and took it! Black people hired me to fix their A/C's, brown people hired me, Asians hired me, Caucasians hired me.... I got the work because I showed up with the ability and desire!

Ability and desire are not taught in the "black culture" and I doubt it's because the Klan is out there keeping the black man on the plantation. Racism has been reduced to a relatively minor inconvenience compared to a few decades ago yet the "black culture" hasn't responded to the opportunity because the left wing pimps have shackled them with welfare and victim status. When the going gets tough, the tough get going...the rest vote for liberals.

3: I am NOT going to go into more depth about the whole "riot against French products because their country backed out of the war" incident.

As if there really is any depth to delve into. Heh, every country has it's nationalistic pride showing once in a while. Any country on your good-country-ness list has expressed similar sentiment in their own way. Speaking of riots, been to any good football matches lately?

4: A very high rate of obesity. 'Nuff said.

Lol, what country are you in and is it skinny enough to make the good-country-ness list? Is it still 'good-ness' to ridicule obese people or are you now off the list?

5: Wars, wars, wars, wars, wars...

Yea like we invented it or even started most of them! Tell me which ones should we have stayed out of. My list starts and stops with VietNam.

6: A high level of religious loonies.

You can't be serious. Europe is over run with a much more dangerous display of religious loonies than America has ever had!

(seriously, EVERYONE I know that goes to any of those traditional game cons in both continents says that), and nobody goes haywire over any cult-like religions that we hear so much coming from America.

Oh hell! We're being held to the standard created by your polling of 'everyone you know that plays video games at a convention'!!
★■◆●, we must be doomed because that's quite an enlightened group that helped you form your opinion!!

Tell me, do those gamers in Europe think the fight in Ireland between the Catholics and Protestants is a little haywire? Have those euro-weenie game geeks ever even pondered the great changes being made to their lives and governments to try and pacify that little cult called Islam?!? You can't even publish a satirical cartoon in Europe with a picture of Muhammad on it without one of your cults going into jihad mode!! Try and lecture me on religious wacko's in America Heh! Europe is scarred beyond repair with the residue of world class religious wacko's!!

7: Bush got elected. Twice. That doesn't say much for his country.

He's not the best we've ever put up that's for sure. What kind of leaders have your countrymen been electing? Where the hell are you from anyway and what continent is Good-country-ness in?

TIGERassault wrote:Okay, I'll bite. Here's the things why I think the USA is lacking in "good-country-ness", as one Me put it.
1: It donates very little of its GDP to charity. For the WFP, of the 22 countries that promised to try and donate 7% of its GDP, the USA donates the second least, just ahead of Greece.
2: Racism. Yes, blatant racism has been banned, but black people still have considerably lower incomes on average. Heck, the fact that the phrase "black culture" is so commonplace fairly shows that point. And that's only for black people; when you add in foreigners, things get really hairy.
3: I am NOT going to go into more depth about the whole "riot against French products because their country backed out of the war" incident.
4: A very high rate of obesity. 'Nuff said.
5: Wars, wars, wars, wars, wars...
6: A high level of religious loonies. In Europe, we get very little of that "this movie/game has magic in it therefore we must protest against it as loudly as possible" stuff (seriously, EVERYONE I know that goes to any of those traditional game cons in both continents says that), and nobody goes haywire over any cult-like religions that we hear so much coming from America.
7: Bush got elected. Twice. That doesn't say much for his country.

...and that's all I can remember off the top of my head.

Cuda68 wrote:You have made it clear that the only subject worth talking about is world hunger, so, What do you want from us so we can speak of other issues without you assaulting us on other topics like you have for a very long time now?
You have my attention? What do you want?

At the very least, to discuss topics you know will actually make the slightest bit of difference. Instead, nearly all threads here end in "Yeah, someone should really do something about that". Because time and time again, threads are started on topics which consist of debating how the people in power should deal with something.

Then start a thread on the topic of your choice instead of hi-jacking other peoples topics. With all the hi-jacking you do it only tells me your nothing more than a drama queen who wants attention. If you want a discussion on this topic THEN START THE TOPIC!!

Umm... okay, where did the deduction that I have some sort of a list come from?
Oh, also, forgot to mention: the biggest reason that it all bothers me so much is because you're seen as having the big superior rolemodel of the world, and that reputation didn't come about by accident.

Edit: Whoops, completely forgot about education. Frankly, it's atrocious.

Will Robinson wrote:I know for a fact that just taking the ammount we donate to the World Food Program wouldn't necessarily reflect the level of giving we maintain. Ever hear of the Marshall plan?

I haven't seen any donations-relative-to-GDP figures that say otherwise, so...

Will Robinson wrote:Racism has been reduced to a relatively minor inconvenience compared to a few decades ago yet the "black culture" hasn't responded to the opportunity because the left wing pimps have shackled them with welfare and victim status.

That's still not supposed to happen though.

Will Robinson wrote:As if there really is any depth to delve into. Heh, every country has it's nationalistic pride showing once in a while.

But on a nationwide scale? I mean, such organised rioting can never be a good thing. And it wasn't, either. I haven't heard of any other first-world country doing that...

Will Robinson wrote:Speaking of riots, been to any good football matches lately?

Yes. I sometimes work at, I believe, the third biggest sports ground in my country. The only actual football riot I've ever heard of was something regarding an Ireland vs England match, and I can't remember which side's supporters were rioting.

Will Robinson wrote:Lol, what country are you in and is it skinny enough to make the good-country-ness list? Is it still 'good-ness' to ridicule obese people or are you now off the list?

Obesity is like smoking, it's just not good for your health.

Will Robinson wrote:Yea like we invented it or even started most of them! Tell me which ones should we have stayed out of. My list starts and stops with VietNam.

Just about every war since WW2 is what I say. Especially the Cold War; aside from that America could've stopped the Cold War easily, it even rejected a peace treaty when offered!
Also, should've specified: the points I made aren't of equal value, with the wars being the biggest thing.

Will Robinson wrote:You can't be serious. Europe is over run with a much more dangerous display of religious loonies than America has ever had!

Hmm... sorry, I'm not getting where you're coming from.

Will Robinson wrote:Oh hell! We're being held to the standard created by your polling of 'everyone you know that plays video games at a convention'!!
*****, we must be doomed because that's quite an enlightened group that helped you form your opinion!!

I'm just saying...

Will Robinson wrote:Tell me, do those gamers in Europe think the fight in Ireland between the Catholics and Protestants is a little haywire?

Sorry Will, you're several years off.

Will Robinson wrote:Have those euro-weenie game geeks ever even pondered the great changes being made to their lives and governments to try and pacify that little cult called Islam?!?

Yeeeah, about that; all the other first-world countries for that matter, is generally okay with Islam, the USA is usually the one that goes up in arms about them. Mainly because it still is a case of that they barely do cause any trouble.

Will Robinson wrote:You can't even publish a satirical cartoon in Europe with a picture of Muhammad on it without one of your cults going into jihad mode!!

Mmmmno, the reports I heard about that mostly came from America. My country certainly didn't have any riots on the matter.

Will Robinson wrote:He's not the best we've ever put up that's for sure. What kind of leaders have your countrymen been electing?

Ireland has, in the last two decades, underwent a huge economic boom bringing it from one of the poorest countries in the EU to one of the wealthiest.

Will Robinson wrote:and what continent is Good-country-ness in?

No continent. I just made it up because I couldn't think of a proper word for it. Hence why I started it with 'umm...' and ended with a question mark.

Alter-Fox wrote:I THINK it's part of the UK. (At least it was when I last checked.)

You're half right. One of the countries of Ireland is, the other isn't.

And pointing out, once again because people don't seem to remember this: Ireland is made up of TWO countries.

Well Tiger it seems like you need to come out of your cave. a Danish cartoonist made a cartoon of Muhammed and Muslims all over the world rioted. France once one of the worse for it. the EU acts of appeasment to the Muslims is astounding. France has had Multiple Riots by muslims. and just for clarification

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what we did was a Boycott

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there is a HUGE difference between the two. you really should get out more, find out whats going on in the world outside of the leftest newspapers your reading

I have a friend who's part Irish. (At least, he thinks he is.) And speaking of heritage, I'm part Czech, part Polish, part French Canadian (my heritage goes back to the first European settlers in Canada), and I'm sure there are some others I'm forgetting.

BTW - Not all muslims are bad. I think it's wrong to stereotype a whole religion. After all, that's what Hitler did.

2: Racism. Yes, blatant racism has been banned, but black people still have considerably lower incomes on average.

And the democratic nominee for President of the United States is.....

I remember a few years back, iirc, it was a senator from Vermont, he proclaimed that his state has little to no racism. The media had a good time whipping him over this, since his state was about 95% white. What percent of your population is Black, asian, hispanic?

America is the only country to seriously step-up to the plate and try and make this whole multiculturalism thing work.....feel free to continue booing from the bleachers.

Gooberman wrote:

2: Racism. Yes, blatant racism has been banned, but black people still have considerably lower incomes on average.

And the democratic nominee for President of the United States is.....

Racism isn't a government thing, its a stupid person thing. The Jim Crow era is over.

I remember a few years back, iirc, it was a senator from Vermont. Proclaimed that his state has little to no racism. The media had a good time whipping him over this, since his state was about 95% white. What percent of your population is Black, asian, hispanic?

America is the only country to seriously step-up to the plate and try and make this whole multiculturalism thing work.....feel free to continue booing from the bleachers.

Excuse me... multiculturalism has been "working" for at least half a century in Canada.

Trusting Wiki..

Canada
Black 783,795 2.6%
Latin 304,245 1.0%

U.S.
Black or African American 12.2% or 37.1 million
Hispanic or Latino of any race: 14.8% 44.3 million

an impressive bunt!

And please allow the 5 minute rule before copying someones entire text in a post!

TIGERassault wrote:...

Will Robinson wrote:I know for a fact that just taking the ammount we donate to the World Food Program wouldn't necessarily reflect the level of giving we maintain. Ever hear of the Marshall plan?

I haven't seen any donations-relative-to-GDP figures that say otherwise, so.......

And I haven't seen any evidence that you have any common sense either, especially in your last post. Does that mean we both proved our suspicions as fact?!?

Do you actually think we had anything even close to a riot over anything the French did?
Are you really not aware of the violent riots in numerous European locations simply because of a cartoon being published?

You have some really twisted and outrageous perceptions of the world. Or you are just being a complete troll.

I especially like the point about how we should have given up the cold war!! Brilliant!

I was going to post here, but this thread has already split off into way too many near-flames and unrelated topics.

It'd be nice if a moderator stopped by... or if people could just start new threads regarding these things.

Sorry. What you fail to notice, is that Canada has many more immigrants than just black or latin. I've already implied that there are Czech and Polish immigrants, plus many more. We have immigrants from just about any country you could name.

Alter-Fox wrote:Sorry. What you fail to notice, is that Canada has many more immigrants than just black or latin. I've already implied that there are Czech and Polish immigrants, plus many more. We have immigrants from just about any country you could name.

To many of the crap kind and not enough of the good kind if you ask me.

Alter-Fox wrote:Sorry. What you fail to notice, is that Canada has many more immigrants than just black or latin. I've already implied that there are Czech and Polish immigrants, plus many more. We have immigrants from just about any country you could name.

So are you implying that Canada has more immigrants than the US??. because at last count there was an estimated 12 Million Illegal immigrants in the US alone and 100 million minorties. that is over 3 times Canada's TOTAL population of 33 million per your 2006 census.

CUDA wrote:...at last count there was an estimated 12 Million Illegal immigrants in the US alone and 100 million minorties. that is over 3 times Canada's TOTAL population of 35 million...

Cuda, why are you counting all minorities when comparing immigrant numbers?

because I was too lazy to dig deeper at this moment

Wiki claims immigrant compose 16.5% of the US population, with a 300 million that would = 48 Million immigrants. 16 million more than Canada's total population

TIGERassault wrote:BTW - Not all muslims are bad. I think it's wrong to stereotype a whole religion. After all, that's what Hitler did.

I think you do the topic an injustice to sum Hitler's actions up in that way. Hitler saw the Jews as an inferior people, polluting the evolutionary pool and thus slowing humanity's progress. This is why he was also involved in the quiet extermination of the diseased and otherwise infirm of his own people. It's wasn't just a matter of religious stereo-typing.

The same kind of thinking found expression in the USA, in the form of the Eugenics movement, and Planned Parenthood. Different results, same basic philosophy. I heard about this stuff long before Ben Stein's recent movie, which also touches on it.

Alter-Fox wrote:Sorry. What you fail to notice, is that Canada has many more immigrants than just black or latin. I've already implied that there are Czech and Polish immigrants, plus many more. We have immigrants from just about any country you could name.

Ah, so ignoring blacks (which is what the post you copied was primaraly focused on!!!!!!!), and Latinos, Canada is a bastion of multiculturalism.

Got it!

Only one problem mate, I've been to Canada many times. I lived 25 years in Arizona, and now in So.Cal. You just can't compare them. But if you try again, please, use numbers, don't make me find them for you.

CUDA wrote:Wiki claims immigrant compose 16.5% of the US population, with a 300 million that would = 48 Million immigrants. 16 million more than Canada's total population

I'm willing to bet that the PERCENTAGE of Canada's population that is immigrants is at least as high as the percentage in the U.S.

Alter-Fox wrote:

CUDA wrote:Wiki claims immigrant compose 16.5% of the US population, with a 300 million that would = 48 Million immigrants. 16 million more than Canada's total population

I'm willing to bet that the PERCENTAGE of Canada's population that is immigrants is at least as high as the percentage in the U.S.

Per Wiki 13.4% so I guess not

Currently Canada is known as a country with a broad immigration policy which is reflected in Canada's ethnic diversity. According to the 2001 census by Statistics Canada, Canada has 34 ethnic groups with at least one hundred thousand members each, of which 10 have over 1,000,000 people and numerous others represented in smaller amounts. 13.4% of the population belonged to visible minorities: most numerous among these are Chinese (3.5% of the population), South Asian (3.1%), Black (2.2%), and Filipino (1.0%).

HRM after re-reading that they are including blacks in the stat. the US figures I read, I dont think did that

Little Tommy’s rich uncle gave him a Ferrari for his birthday, but little Tommy wasn’t happy and complained.

“My uncle is rich, and all I got was this lousy Ferrari.”

Guess what little Tommy got the next year?

Whatever you do, It’s not enuf for some people…so give it up, and sure as hell give up this numbers game, you can make numbers say anything you want.

Fine. I'll go build some more of level 11 of my D2X-XL mission then.

you can make them say anything you want...

That's why it's fun!

Alter-Fox wrote:I'm willing to bet that the PERCENTAGE of Canada's population that is immigrants is at least as high as the percentage in the U.S.

I think you are mixing a couple of things here. The European immigrants you are talking about are WHITE. That is a far cry different than the other numbers about blacks and hispanics others are citing.

Oh and Canada sucks balls.

What gets me is why the MOST xenophobic, racist, uneducated and almost exclusively white people in the Appalachia region of the U.S. always seem to muster enough votes and the clout to elect our Presidents. The press keeps calling these people\" the white working class\", which overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. They are a somewhat geographically isolated group of people and are not representative of other white blue collar workers in the U.S. that live in the Midwest, Upper Northeast and West. The white working class people that live within these more racially diverse regions tend to be a more educated and racially tolerant group and they voted overwhelmingly for Obama.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appalachia

tunnelcat wrote:What gets me is why the MOST xenophobic, racist, uneducated and almost exclusively white people in the Appalachia region of the U.S. always seem to muster enough votes and the clout to elect our Presidents....

How the heck do they have the clout you speak of? They represent how many electoral college votes? California alone probably negates their vote.

Oops...wrong thread

Will, haven't most of the past elected U.S presidents won by getting the votes of that section of the country? It's a very large population base. That area of the U.S. seems to be the key to getting elected in the past.

http://wvgazette.com/News/200805260420

tunnelcat wrote:Will, haven't most of the past elected U.S presidents won by getting the votes of that section of the country? It's a very large population base. That area of the U.S. seems to be the key to getting elected in the past.

http://wvgazette.com/News/200805260420

I would have to look up Electoral Votes, but isn't that number per state what dictates what states are the most important?

Here is the 2004/2008 Electoral Map for the country

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Electoral_map.svg

Well, the press seems to be focusing in on this area the country and it might be even more important now that Obama is the Democratic nominee. This area of the country is very racist and almost exclusively white.