DescentBB

agreed again My apologies Roid

If we accept the bait and enter into an argument, either in favor of the premise that their is a rightwing problem at foot, or we try to counter the rightwing angle with leftwing culpability or similarity, then we have swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker and are being reeled in to the same fishing boat regardless of which flavor bait we accepted.

As long as we the consumer are buying the premise the media will be sure to wrap their delivery in one flavor or the other to keep us buying their delivery.

No matter what the product or premise is if it is marketed nationally as an R or a D it is ultimately bad for US.

the call for censorship has already started

Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., on Monday referenced a comment by Angle in calling for a change in the nation's political dialogue -- by will or by law.

Rep. Robert Brady, D-Pa., said he has no knowledge about what motivated Loughner to attack Giffords and the others, but he still wants legislation that bans the use of certain imagery when talking about congressional targets

Tuesday, Rep. Kurt Schrader, D-Ore., was quoted in the Oregon Statesman-Journal saying he blamed conservative media personalities like Fox News' Glenn Beck and radio host Rush Limbaugh

Rep. Brad Sherman, D-Calif., told Fox News that Angle \"talked about people rising up and taking over the government by force, using their guns. She was very explicit.\"

Sherman said that even if language used by Angle and her supporters hadn't incited the shootings in Arizona, eventually it will lead to violence

CUDA wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:Oh Gawd! We've got Fixed News out there saying the shooter is so far right around the political circle that he's really a vapid leftie! Nice, pin things on the left if you can't take the heat for your own fear mongering. THEN there's Dick Armey, babbling on the Sunday morning news shows that it's too bad a Congresswoman got shot in all this, but the fight must go on to destroy the government. What an certifiable nutcase!

you really have turned into a pathetic person TC. I re-read the article just to make sure PLUS I re-read all the other articles posted on Fox news. NO WHERE does it state that he is a right winger NO WHERE making stuff up because you've been called out and embarrassed for making an unfounded lie's against the right. doesnt suit you.

I agree that this maniac is probably not a vapid right-winger, but it sure is a funny coincidence this guy targeted that particular Congresswomen. What I'm saying is that Faux News, Dick Armey, Rush Limbaugh and Palin are all out there mouthing their brand of agitprop, all to try and blame liberals for this and that BS when the conservative media is out there stirring the pot. I place Sharon Angle in the same category with her "Second Amendment remedies" statement too, a call to rile the base.

Whether this guy has political motivations or not, all the aforementioned groups or individuals have all been out there advocating using any means possible to bring down our President and his policies. Don't even try to work with him, DESTROY him and all liberals and their ideas, at any cost.

Now today, Sarah Palin has had to gall to claim she's a "victim" in a prepared speech and use an old esoteric, anti-Semetic term I'd never heard of until now to cast blame. Maybe the term "Blood Libel" is being used to refer to herself as a victim, but she could just as easily be called an anti-Semite for using that particular term. So which is it Palin, the Jew's fault, the media's fault or just maybe, your own fault for once. You shall reap what you sow.

She posts a picture on her website of our country with crosshairs speckled all over it (and they're NOT surveyors marks you moron), placed over particular Congress member's districts, calling out to her base to "Don't retreat, reload!" (that's a gun metaphor if I ever heard it) and then comes out swinging when something violent happens. The incident may or may not be connected to her website, but why can't she take some personal responsibility, (a conservative mantra I hear ALL the time), instead of blaming someone else for a change. Her rhetoric stinks and she needs to take some responsibility for it. I'd have a little more respect for her if she had actually apologized. But no, she's an unrepentant boorish clod.

tunnelcat wrote:...
Whether this guy has political motivations or not, all the aforementioned groups or individuals have all been out there advocating using any means possible to bring down our President and his policies. Don't even try to work with him, DESTROY him and all liberals and their ideas, at any cost.
...

No, they have NOT been advocating using any means possible and have not suggested doing it at any cost.
This is the basis of your rationale and you had to fabricate it to support your bull★■◆●.

Any means possible would include murder and any cost would include getting caught and losing your freedom for ever and possibly your life. You claim those are the methods of your ideological enemy.
The crazy-as-hell guy took that approach to cash his rage and confusion in for his 15 minutes of infamy yet you don't even know if he knew who his targets were!? all we know is he was completely crazy and for you to ascribe the same methods and motives to others just because you oppose them politically puts you only a few bullets shy of becoming his teamate....you don't have the kills yet but you sure have adopted his irrational thought process and self serving application of it.

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tunnelcat wrote:

CUDA wrote:

tunnelcat wrote:Oh Gawd! We've got Fixed News out there saying the shooter is so far right around the political circle that he's really a vapid leftie! Nice, pin things on the left if you can't take the heat for your own fear mongering. THEN there's Dick Armey, babbling on the Sunday morning news shows that it's too bad a Congresswoman got shot in all this, but the fight must go on to destroy the government. What an certifiable nutcase!

you really have turned into a pathetic person TC. I re-read the article just to make sure PLUS I re-read all the other articles posted on Fox news. NO WHERE does it state that he is a right winger NO WHERE making stuff up because you've been called out and embarrassed for making an unfounded lie's against the right. doesnt suit you.

I agree that this maniac is probably not a vapid right-winger, but it sure is a funny coincidence this guy targeted that particular Congresswomen. What I'm saying is that Faux News, Dick Armey, Rush Limbaugh and Palin are all out there mouthing their brand of agitprop, all to try and blame liberals for this and that BS when the conservative media is out there stirring the pot. I place Sharon Angle in the same category with her "Second Amendment remedies" statement too, a call to rile the base.

Whether this guy has political motivations or not, all the aforementioned groups or individuals have all been out there advocating using any means possible to bring down our President and his policies. Don't even try to work with him, DESTROY him and all liberals and their ideas, at any cost.

Now today, Sarah Palin has had to gall to claim she's a "victim" in a prepared speech and use an old esoteric, anti-Semetic term I'd never heard of until now to cast blame. Maybe the term "Blood Libel" is being used to refer to herself as a victim, but she could just as easily be called an anti-Semite for using that particular term. So which is it Palin, the Jew's fault, the media's fault or just maybe, your own fault for once. You shall reap what you sow.

She posts a picture on her website of our country with crosshairs speckled all over it (and they're NOT surveyors marks you moron), placed over particular Congress member's districts, calling out to her base to "Don't retreat, reload!" (that's a gun metaphor if I ever heard it) and then comes out swinging when something violent happens. The incident may or may not be connected to her website, but why can't she take some personal responsibility, (a conservative mantra I hear ALL the time), instead of blaming someone else for a change. Her rhetoric stinks and she needs to take some responsibility for it. I'd have a little more respect for her if she had actually apologized. But no, she's an unrepentant boorish clod.

TC wrote:Well now, the shoe's on the other foot. All the righties have been droning on about all those hateful lefties attacking people they don't agree with, all the while ignoring their own crazy fringe element.

There's another bit of terrorism that's been going on against the U.S. government recently as well. Maybe the Tea Party is expressing their Second Amendment Rights

First reply post of this thread.
Mistake #1 YOU accused the right in this man's actions with NO EVIDENCE to support your claims.
Mistake #2 YOU acuused the right on a case that has NOTHING to do with this thread and has NO EVIDENCE to support your claims.

and you continue making unsupportable accusations against the right.

Joseph Goebbels wrote:“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly - it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

Joseph Goebbels wrote:“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

and they're NOT surveyors marks you moron

I never said they were. I see you pay attention as well here as you do in the real world

Bet51987 wrote:
Bee

if living in your fantasy world that Sarah Palin is the Antichrist makes you feel better then go ahead and keep hating. your continued blaming of her for this atrocity doesn't make it so

Oh and FYI, never read it. in fact I've never even seen her book. but I might just go buy it just to piss you off

CUDA, don't bother. Political validity aside, it's terrible writing.

null0010 wrote:CUDA, don't bother. Political validity aside, it's terrible writing.

So you're saying you bought the book and read it.

CUDA wrote:First reply post of this thread.
Mistake #1 YOU accused the right in this man's actions with NO EVIDENCE to support your claims.
Mistake #2 YOU acuused the right on a case that has NOTHING to do with this thread and has NO EVIDENCE to support your claims.

Actually that was Thunderbunny who did those, you know: the OP. So reload that finger and point it in the appropriate direction thankyou.
TB not TC

ThunderBunny wrote:It appears this guy was a supposed tea-party supporter of some kind, though way off the deep end.

roid wrote:

CUDA wrote:First reply post of this thread.
Mistake #1 YOU accused the right in this man's actions with NO EVIDENCE to support your claims.
Mistake #2 YOU acuused the right on a case that has NOTHING to do with this thread and has NO EVIDENCE to support your claims.

Actually that was Thunderbunny who did those, you know: the OP. So reload that finger and point it in the appropriate direction thankyou.
TB not TC

ThunderBunny wrote:It appears this guy was a supposed tea-party supporter of some kind, though way off the deep end.

if you remember I agreed with you. but if you re-read TB's post. I think the key wording is "SUPPOSED" as in he was reporting what the media had reported not Necessarily his own thoughts on the matter. because in his next post he says

He's clearly a murderous nut- but he'll be used by the government against the Tea Party. Just watch

you'll notice in TC first post she makes the statement as fact that this guy was a Tea Part member.
while TC and Bee continue to post make no such statements as a follow up EVER. In fact they keep adding to and trying to justify their initial comments just heading deeper and deeper off to the fringe

TC wrote:Well now, the shoe's on the other foot. All the righties have been droning on about all those hateful lefties attacking people they don't agree with, all the while ignoring their own crazy fringe element.

There's another bit of terrorism that's been going on against the U.S. government recently as well. Maybe the Tea Party is expressing their Second Amendment Rights.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/ja ... plosion-us

you might try reading the link also, you'll find that there is not a hint on who could have commited these acts. and yet TC joyously tried to say they are Tea party backed.

then is Bee's first post out of left field Sarah Palin just as if she had pulled the trigger herself
then in her 2nd post TC as a good sheeple follow's Bee's lead and try's to blame Palin also

and so the pattern is set by both of them. let's ignore the truth and try to blame the Rt and Palin.

HRM I wonder if TC or Bee have a Twitter account


http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/12/dozen ... ins-death/

“My hatred for Sarah Palin continues to grow. I think this woman should be assassinated,” said one person. “Sarah Palin should be shot for her encouragement of fanaticism against Democrats,” says another.

Numerous left-wing commentators have accused Palin of inspiring the attack on Democratic Rep. Gabrielle Giffords that left 6 dead
The Daily Caller’s Jim Treacher reported that liberal blogger Matthew Yglesias, Daily Kos founder Markos Moulitsas, actress Jane Fonda, film critic Roger Ebert, and filmmaker Michael Moore all took to Twitter within hours of the attack to accuse Palin of being in some way responsible.

good company TC and Bee share there, Markos Moulitsas, Hanoi Jane Fonda, Michael Moore. all know the world over as left wing Nut jobs

1 down
540 to go >)

just kidding.

You have to give credit to the right for their propaganda machine, \"Oh, WE'RE the real victims here!\" Heard that ★■◆● on Fox Noise the first day.

Seriously though, I dislike when people say \"Oh well he's just a whacko!\" Well that whacko had the ability to possess a firearm, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Mental illness is not taken seriously in this country and the law put in place to restrict guns from the hands of the mentally ill was not funded at all yyeaarrss ago.

I am also on the side of gun control, no I do not want to take all your guns away but there is a line that needs to be drawn to what you can have.

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Shoe…meet other foot.

Bet51987 wrote:

CUDA wrote:...good company TC and Bee share there, Markos Moulitsas, Hanoi Jane Fonda, Michael Moore. all know the world over as left wing Nut jobs

First of all, stop lying. You will easily find where I said I hate Islam, Mohammed, child molesters and the Taliban, but you won't find me putting Sarah Palin anywhere near that category. I stand by the Sheriff's statement, and I stand by my comments of Palin. She's at the absolute top of the list of influential people who spread their toxic rhetoric.

Finally, to place me in the same category as those calling for her death shows who the nut job really is. Nice going.

Bee

hate
   /heɪt/ Show Spelled [heyt] Show IPA verb, hat·ed, hat·ing, noun
–verb (used with object)
1.
to dislike intensely or passionately; feel extreme aversion for or extreme hostility toward

should I start going back and pulling your quotes from past threads

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Bet51987 wrote:I can separate dislike from hatred but if that's the criteria you want to use, then I can show you, from some of your past quotes, that you have an enormous hatred of me. If so, then sadly were done. So, which is it?

Bee

do you really wish to travel down this path? you might not like how it ends up

Heretic wrote:

null0010 wrote:CUDA, don't bother. Political validity aside, it's terrible writing.

So you're saying you bought the book and read it.

I read a few chapters on a lazy day in a bookstore.

CUDA wrote:

Bet51987 wrote:I can separate dislike from hatred but if that's the criteria you want to use, then I can show you, from some of your past quotes, that you have an enormous hatred of me. If so, then sadly were done. So, which is it?

Bee

do you really wish to travel down this path? you might not like how it ends up

Sadly Bee does not mind. She thinks, in her emotional tinged world, that disagreement and ridicule of what she posts is reason enough to do a Timothy Leary "Turn on, Tune in, Drop out" towards those posters. Welcome to the club CUDA.

null0010 wrote:CUDA, don't bother. Political validity aside, it's terrible writing.

Especially amusing because it's ghost written.

Oh, you mean ghost written like \"Dreams From My Father\" or \"Audacity of Hope?\"

Back to the topic: it seems the shooter was into the 9/11 truth conspiracies and a Bush hater.

ThunderBunny wrote:Back to the topic: it seems the shooter was into the 9/11 truth conspiracies and a Bush hater.

Who doesn't think the government is lying in some form or fashion about 9/11?

ThunderBunny wrote:Oh, you mean ghost written like "Dreams From My Father" or "Audacity of Hope?"

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/02/ ... 5576.shtml

article wrote:For his second book, the 2006 "The Audacity of Hope," Obama got enough of an advance ($1.9 million for a three-book deal) and was certainly busy enough with his work in the Senate - not to mention laying the groundwork for his presidential campaign - that no one would have blamed him for going the ghostwriter route. But, according to Rachel Klayman, the Crown editor who worked with him on "Audacity," he didn't. "I get irritated when people ask, 'Does he have a ghostwriter?' because it's the opposite of that," Klayman told me. "Not only does he not have a ghostwriter, he's on an entirely different plane from most writers editors work with." Klayman said that Obama's writing process was similar to that of many authors: He'd write a draft of a chapter - oftentimes working at his computer late at night - and then send it to her and a group of other people (although in Obama's case these people weren't just friends but mainly political and policy advisors) for suggested edits.

As for Dreams From My Father...

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_ ... 0/07/ayers

(I should note that this is the only result in the first two pages of Google searches for "dreams from my father ghostwriter" that wasn't a conservative blog/forum like FreeRepublic or something.)

Sarah Palin's ghostwriting escapades have been reported on by reputable media such as Time Magazine.

So your implication, null, is that all \"conservative blogs\" are disreputable.

How is Time Magazine \"reputable?\"

Is there any media at all that doesn't have a slant when it comes to politics?

Almost all politicians haven't truly \"written\" their own books. Why should Obama or Palin be any different?

Conservative blogs don't do investigative reporting, they just keep an ear open to Rupert Murdochs echo chamber.

Time Magazine does investigating, no?

Mjolnir wrote:Liberal blogs don't do investigative reporting, they just keep an ear open to George Soros/Media Matters echo chamber.

Fixed it for ya.

Mjolnir wrote:You have to give credit to the right for their propaganda machine, "Oh, WE'RE the real victims here!" Heard that ***** on Fox Noise the first day.

Seriously though, I dislike when people say "Oh well he's just a whacko!" Well that whacko had the ability to possess a firearm, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? Mental illness is not taken seriously in this country and the law put in place to restrict guns from the hands of the mentally ill was not funded at all yyeaarrss ago.

I am also on the side of gun control, no I do not want to take all your guns away but there is a line that needs to be drawn to what you can have.

Noise is noise no matter whether it's fox noise or not, human. :P

If you want to support gun control, then take away assault weapons from all the militaries and tactical police forces, otherwise you have a double-standard. -.-

It's interesting that when \"conservatives\" make blanket generalized statements about others, it's hateful and evil; but somehow \"progressives\" making exactly the same types of statements aren't?

Just what makes progressives holier than thou?

No CUDA, I don't have a twitter account and I've never called for the death of anybody anywhere, even Bush. I also don't even own a cell phone because the telecoms charge WAY too much for their \"service\" and turning on the computer constantly just to rant is too time consuming.

Yeah Bee, I realize that as a liberal leaning person, I'm just bashing my head against the wall here. But when the mood strikes me, it's fun to argue, even though I'm not that good at it. I'm just glad I'm older now. I really don't want to be around this country when the conservatives finally sell off, trash, privatize or evangelize the commons, normally meant to be supported by all, for the benefit of all, not the privileged few who can afford it.

To continue the thread, I found this prime example too. Another conservative hatemonger mouthpiece going at it in full, vivid, living color for anyone driving by to see, until the merde hit the fan that is.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/13/rush- ... -controve/

He may have thought this was a funny metaphor at one time to push his hate radio, but it's just a little to close to home because THIS advert happened to be only five miles from the scene of the shooting.

ThunderBunny, you and woodchip are prime examples of right wing fear mongering and uncivil discourse. You both have avatars that are just derogatory altered images of the President, all to elicit some reaction I'm guessing. You practically invite nasty responses to everything you post with those in-your-face insults. Why do you have them? Because you hate Obama? So convenient to advertise your \"hate and evil\" every time you post and then not expect someone else to take exception to it.

My avatar merely reflects what the man believes. Obama was brought up by his mother and his mentors under the socialist/communist philosophy and he's a true believer in those philosophies- what's ironic is that he is now facing down a nation (China) that is using capitalist means to overtake the country Obama is now in charge of. China has always really been communist in name only- it has been a tyranny. They just found capitalism suits their needs, nevermind that it is against all upon which the \"communist\" nation was founded upon.

As to \"hate.\" Why would Obama be offended by being thought of as being \"socialist?\" Don't remember the famous Newsweek magazine cover \"We Are All Socialists Now?\"

woodchip wrote:

Mjolnir wrote:Liberal blogs don't do investigative reporting, they just keep an ear open to George Soros/Media Matters echo chamber.

Fixed it for ya.

Ya... the analogy doesn't work as well due to liberals not having quite as much of an organized media output and that generally isn't a #1 source of news for us. At least for me anyway. Fox News however, a main source of conservative news picks up stories from these blogs run by Murdock and practically cites it's self by using another Murdock publication as a "source". So, your echo chamber is a bit more organized and larger sorry.

Ya... the analogy doesn't work as well due to liberals not having quite as much of an organized media output and that generally isn't a #1 source of news for us. At least for me anyway. Fox News however, a main source of conservative news picks up stories from these blogs run by Murdock and practically cites it's self by using another Murdock publication as a \"source\". So, your echo chamber is a bit more organized and larger sorry.

Organized media output?

How's this:

MSNBC, NBC, NPR, CBS, AirAmerica(oops, wait- it's dead?), CNN...etc.

From exceedingly biased to way off the left loony edge. Liberals can take their pick.

ThunderBunny wrote: Organized media output?

How's this:

MSNBC, NBC, NPR, CBS, AirAmerica(oops, wait- it's dead?), CNN...etc.

From exceedingly biased to way off the left loony edge. Liberals can take their pick.

CNN? Really? Jesus you conservatives really are paranoid and factless, you're naming practically unrelated news organizations instead of calling out an actual infrastructure like I did, let alone a station like CNN who try so hard to stay in the middle they end up not giving proper information, like the equivalence of violent rhetoric of the left and right, where the right is BY FAR more violent in their rhetoric.

I'm embaressed for you on that response honestly.

ThunderBunny wrote:My avatar merely reflects what the man believes. Obama was brought up by his mother and his mentors under the socialist/communist philosophy and he's a true believer in those philosophies- what's ironic is that he is now facing down a nation (China) that is using capitalist means to overtake the country Obama is now in charge of. China has always really been communist in name only- it has been a tyranny. They just found capitalism suits their needs, nevermind that it is against all upon which the "communist" nation was founded upon

LOL.

funniest post ever.

It really is hilarious in a pathetic sense, isn't it? This folder is so inbred in thought (and for all I know, in biology) that there's nothing left to do but sit back and laugh at it.

Mjolnir wrote:
like the equivalence of violent rhetoric of the left and right, where the right is BY FAR more violent in their rhetoric. I'm embaressed for you on that response honestly.

Once again you fail to delve into researching a statement before posting. While all you can do is present a generalized statement lets look at actual statements by the left and you tell me where the violence lies:

"A spoiled child (Bush) is telling us our Social Security isn't safe anymore, so he is going to fix it for us. Well, here's your answer, you ungrateful whelp: [audio sound of 4 gunshots being fired.] Just try it, you little b*stard. [audio of gun being cocked]." -- A "humor bit" from the Randi Rhodes Show

"I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health" -- New York city councilman Charles Barron

"..And then there's Rumsfeld who said of Iraq 'We have our good days and our bad days.' We should put this S.O.B. up against a wall and say 'This is one of our bad days' and pull the trigger." -- From a fundraising ad put out by the St. Petersburg Democratic Club"

"F*** God D*mned Joe the God D*mned Motherf*cking plumber! I want Motherf*cking Joe the plumber dead." -- Liberal talk show host Charles Karel Bouley on the air"

"You guys see Live and Let Die, the great Bond film with Yaphet Kotto as the bad guy, Mr. Big? In the end they jam a big CO2 pellet in his face and he blew up. I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody’s going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he’s going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we’ll be there to watch. I think he’s Mr. Big, I think Yaphet Kotto. Are you watching, Rush?" -- Chris Matthews"

"If I got (Condi Rice) a— on camera, I would put my Mars Air Jordans so far up her butt that the Mayo Clinic would have to remove them." -- Spike Lee

"I know how the 'tea party' people feel, the anger, venom and bile that many of them showed during the recent House vote on health-care reform. I know because I want to spit on them, take one of their 'Obama Plan White Slavery' signs and knock every racist and homophobic tooth out of their Cro-Magnon heads." -- The Washington Post's Courtland Milloy

"Charlie - "you know F--- it .... and George Bush wife? I'd F--- that b*tch to death" -- "Shock Jocks" Opie & Anthony talk rape & violence with their guest "Homeless Charlie."

So show me equally depraved comments from the conservative side. The left has always been the more violent side of the political spectrum.

You must be wrong Woody, there are no liberals in the media.

No see, that’s how it works…the people in politics can stay above the fray, because they have all of the other mass media and pop culture to do the dirty work.

No organized media output…ha ha ha. The left runs a well oiled machine…from movies to music, and everything in between.

ThunderBunny wrote:My avatar merely reflects what the man believes. Obama was brought up by his mother and his mentors under the socialist/communist philosophy and he's a true believer in those philosophies- what's ironic is that he is now facing down a nation (China) that is using capitalist means to overtake the country Obama is now in charge of. China has always really been communist in name only- it has been a tyranny. They just found capitalism suits their needs, nevermind that it is against all upon which the "communist" nation was founded upon.

As to "hate." Why would Obama be offended by being thought of as being "socialist?" Don't remember the famous Newsweek magazine cover "We Are All Socialists Now?"

Socialist you say?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110118/pl_ ... egulations

He's sounding more and more like a Republican to me. And that brings up my other question. Tell me why YOU think he's a "socialist" when Obama's managed to piss off all his liberal base? He's done nothing but kiss Republican butt with every policy he's put forth AND gotten slapped for doing so. Frankly, if he even did HALF of what his Democratic base wanted when he got elected, he still wouldn't even be close to being "socialist".

The only thing I CAN call him out on is not showing any backbone or leadership at all. He pontificates well in his speeches, but always regresses into back room, Chicago-style politics to do everything. He's either followed Clinton's failed tactics or continued everything Bush started, with the continued and increased spying on Americans, continuing 2 unjust, unfunded and bankrupting illegal wars, AND not putting a stop to Wall Street control of our country and government (he's actually become part of it). He's done nothing but give big banks the freedom to engage in the same snaky dealing that they did to bring on the economic crisis in the first place. The shenanigans with the financing between Facebook and Goldman Sachs is good example. Bank regulatory oversight is still a joke. These greedy a--holes are even foreclosing on people that have kept up their house payments for crying out loud! Oh, and health care was just boon to the private insurance business. Republicans want to do nothing but get rid of that "job killing health care bill". Well, health care is killing jobs whether or not we have Obamacare. It's too expensive no matter which way you play it. I'm still waiting to see if net neutrality goes the way of the Dodo bird and becomes controlled by the clutches of the telecoms.

The ONLY thing that I see as remotely "socialist" was that stupid mandate to force people to buy PRIVATE health insurance, which isn't even socialist at all. 'Socialist' would have been to force everyone to buy government-based insurance to the exclusion of private industry. Maybe your definition of socialism is different from mine.

Be that as it may, your avatar picture is still just an in-your-face jab to get others riled up over some false equivalency. The right is so far right that center isn't even center anymore. Whether Palin's or Rush's little gun references caused violence or not, they sure didn't help with the discourse in this country. And the fact that they can't even bring themselves to apologize for their lack of tact shows me their true colors.

Spidey, pop culture is used to keep the soiled, poor, itinerant masses drugged, stupefied, in the dark and under control by big business, who happens to control the media.