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Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:45 pm
by callmeslick
flip wrote:I have a question. Since you claim to be a 1%'er. What exactly is your vision of the future for the 99% and how do you feel that Obama is the man to bring that vision to reality?
I am not a 1%'er, either in terms of income or total worth. Probably more like a 3.8%'er or some such. What I am is the descendant of old money, which is really the power behind the nation for, like, forever. Simplification into percentiles is just that, simplification. There are very influential people who probably don't have more than 2 million in assets, but have connections out the wazoo.
Now with those caveats, here is my answer:
The future for the '99%'? On the current path, abject poverty, on a level of maybe Indian or Eastern European working class, but without some of the societal benefits, in about two more generations(50-60 years). The Obama part? I don't think he is a miracle worker, but he seems to be literally the only national-scale politician who sees the path away from that reality. The problems are that he has not been as good as I had hoped at selling it, and hasn't received any support from either his own party or the the GOP in doing so, and he sure as hell isn't going to accomplish anything but forstalling the agony by himself. Hope that answers the question, Flip......it's the best I can do for now.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:08 pm
by CUDA
if your asking me if I can find a smoking gun that Soros put Obama in the white house. you know the answer. just as TC cannot "prove" the koch's are doing the same to those on the right. however. which was my point which you apparently missed.
Soros is one of the wealthiest men on the planet, with a personal fortune of at least $7 billion and additional investments of another $11 billion or so. His collaborative group of pro-Left foundations distributes more than $400 million a year to causes ranging from underwriting left-leaning Democrat Party candidates to legalizing marijuana to advocating for euthanasia.
It was at a highly secretive meeting in the summer of 2002 that Soros, Morton Halperin, (the director of Soros’ Open Society Institute), John Podesta (the former Clinton White House chief of staff), Jeremy Rosner (a former speech writer for Bill Clinton), Robert Boorstin (a Democrat strategist and also a former speech writer for Clinton) and Carl Pope (a Democrat strategist and environmentalist) met to draft a plan to defeat President George W. Bush in the presidential election of 2004.
Ultimately, Soros would spend approximately $26 million of his own money in a failed mission to rid America of President Bush. It was through this effort, however, that Soros gave birth to a much more ominous cause, the “Shadow Party.” And the Shadow Party would eventually become the Obama Administration. And George Soros would become the master puppeteer for the President of the United States and the leader of the free world.
Without Soros and the Shadow Party, Barack Obama would be, at best, a senator from Illinois attending social gatherings with domestic terrorists Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn and sitting in the pews of black liberation theologist Reverend Jeremiah Wright. At worse, he’d be an unremarkable and unheard of state senator. Instead, Barack Obama is the President of the United States.
Only July 7, 2003, Soros, Halperin, Podesta and Harold Ickes, (deputy chief of staff for the Clinton White House,) founded the American Majority Institute just three blocks from the White House to be the cornerstone organization of the Shadow Party. A few months later, they changed the name to the Center for American Progress under which it is known today. The organization describes itself as “a nonpartisan research and educational institute” aimed at “developing a long-term vision of a progressive America” and “providing a forum to generate new progressive ideas and policy proposals.”
In reality, the CAP is a leftist “think tank/action tank,” the nerve center of the Left’s attack on American values and conservatives, and the primary source of Barack Obama’s positions. Not coincidentally, one of the attendees at the select meeting in 2002 is now the CAP’s president, John Podesta, the former White House chief of staff to Bill Clinton and one of the three principal architects of the Obama transition team.
During the Clinton Administration’s first term in office, John Podesta held positions as White House staff secretary and as an assistant to President Clinton. I first met Podesta when he returned to work for Bill Clinton in 1997 after a two-year leave of absence, first as assistant to the President Chief of Staff for Erskine Bowles and then as chief of staff replacing Bowles.
Clinton brought Podesta back into the stead when the “bimbo eruptions” of Paula Jones and Monica Lewinsky, and impending impeachment, threatened his presidency and Podesta was adept at handling crises of this sort.
From 2003 to 2007, CAP would receive over $15 million from grants from more than 60 foundations, with the biggest contributor being George Soros, who ponied up the first $3 million. Today, they have over 180 staff members and an annual budget of $27 million.
The personal relationship between Soros and Obama goes back at least as far as June, 2004, when the billionaire Soros hosted a fundraiser for Obama’s U.S. Senate campaign at his New York home. Soros’ and the Lefts’ “Chosen One,” Obama, was successfully elected to the U.S Senate. And, after the failure of their efforts to oust George Bush in 2004, Soros convened another secretive meeting of 70 like-minded and wealthy donors in Scottsdale, Ariz., to take a look at what had gone wrong and to develop a plan for the future. This meeting would eventually be called the “Phoenix Group” and, in the end, Barack Obama would be the benefactor of the efforts that would emerge from this confab.
In December 2006, as Obama was contemplating a run for the White House, George Soros and Barack Obama met to discuss the young senator’s political ambitions. In a matter of a few weeks, on January 16, 2007, Obama announced he was establishing a presidential exploratory committee although, at that point, he’d logged a total of only 143 days in service as a U.S. senator. “I recognize that there is a certain presumptuousness in this, a certain audacity to this announcement,” Obama would concede.
Literally hours after the announcement, Soros sent Obama the maximum individual contribution allowed by campaign finance law. Later that week, Soros announced that he would be supporting the candidacy of Barack Obama instead of Hillary Clinton, the candidate he’d previously supported. In an interview he conducted with Judy Woodruff in May, 2008, Soros was prophetic, gushing “Obama has the charisma and the vision to radically reorient America in the world,” and added “this emphasis on experience is way overdone.”
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:22 pm
by callmeslick
author for that tripe? I note very few of these sorts of 'factual accounts' ever seem to come with either references or cited authors.
Also, if this meeting involved the Clintonistas, why did Hillary run against Obama? Also, FWIW, I gave the 'maximum' allowed to Obama, at both primary and general election levels, and can vouch for 482 people I bundled who did likewise(just folks I had in the network from school and all who are frightened of what the GOP has become), so Soros is no big deal on that front. Further, the Koch contributions have been very well documented, and in the case of Herman Cain, he freely admitted the support.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:30 pm
by flip
which is really the power behind the nation for, like, forever.
This is what I meant by 1%'er. Too bad money speaks louder than intellect.
The Obama part? I don't think he is a miracle worker, but he seems to be literally the only national-scale politician who sees the path away from that reality. The problems are that he has not been as good as I had hoped at selling it, and hasn't received any support from either his own party or the the GOP in doing so
No support from his own party even? Maybe he see's the problem but his remedy is unacceptable to all involved, even from those that supported him from the beginning. We should get back to our roots, not to a new thing. The only way this country will remain strong, is to strengthen small business. That keeps it diverse. All I see from Obama is to monopolize government and it's control over all commerce. Government should regulate commerce, not dictate it.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:01 pm
by Ferno
hey slick? ever since you came around these parts, threads like this have become MUCH more interesting.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:27 pm
by flip
Yes slick, your my hero too, now answer for Obama, whom you support without reservation
All I see from Obama is to monopolize government and it's control over all commerce.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:46 am
by callmeslick
Ferno wrote:hey slick? ever since you came around these parts, threads like this have become MUCH more interesting.
I hope that is a good thing. Either way, credit/blame CUDA.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:50 am
by callmeslick
flip wrote:Yes slick, your my hero too, now answer for Obama, whom you support without reservation
All I see from Obama is to monopolize government and it's control over all commerce.
answer for Obama to the above? One word: nonsense. If anything, maybe a return to 1950's level regulation, but hardly monopoly.
If he was into government monopoly, wouldn't he have pushed for taking over the car companies permanently, or for full-on Medicare for all type single payer health insurance?
oh, and I assume you're smart enough not to see me as supporting Obama or anyone 'without reservation'. When I say what I do about him just being the only politician that comes close to 'getting' the issues, that is my limit.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 9:38 am
by flip
Whether it's permanent remains to be seen but the first grab was made under Obama's admin.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 10:59 am
by Spidey
Obama does for a fact support single payer healthcare.
Reference: Interview on The News Hour.
(he just didn’t have the stones…err, leadership ability to get it done)
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:21 pm
by woodchip
callmeslick wrote:flip wrote:Yes slick, your my hero too, now answer for Obama, whom you support without reservation
All I see from Obama is to monopolize government and it's control over all commerce.
answer for Obama to the above? One word: nonsense. If anything, maybe a return to 1950's level regulation, but hardly monopoly.
If he was into government monopoly, wouldn't he have pushed for taking over the car companies permanently, or for full-on Medicare for all type single payer health insurance?
So you don't have a problem with Obama putting bond holders at the end of the line and granting stocks to his union backers? Sounds pretty permanent to me. And this type of forced regulation was not part of the 1950's.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:04 pm
by callmeslick
woodchip wrote:So you don't have a problem with Obama putting bond holders at the end of the line and granting stocks to his union backers?
nope, and I am a GM bondholder, for the sake of disclosure. You see, I preferred not to see the effects on the economy of losing,
probably permanently, over 1 million jobs directly or indirectly tied to GM and Chrysler.
Sounds pretty permanent to me. And this type of forced regulation was not part of the 1950's.
how is it permanent, if the stock has been re-established by IPO, most govt shares are being sold? As for the 1950's, that isn't really pertinent. Given the excesses of the 1980-2008 period, a more radical approach was needed to get things back into whack.
I mean, we still don't have proper business/financial regulation in place, by any means, and sometimes the medicine to correct the problem is going to be severe in the short run. It would just be nice if the political class grew the collective balls to stop the slide away from regulation into the free-for-all mess we have now. It has been, as I opined before, the death of long-term business planning and conservative investment strategies for the most part.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:08 pm
by callmeslick
Spidey wrote:Obama does for a fact support single payer healthcare.
Reference: Interview on The News Hour.
(he just didn’t have the stones…err, leadership ability to get it done)
I am aware of his long-term goal, but the fact that he is/was willing to take baby-steps to it shows him not to be exactly some bomb-throwing radical. Of course, single payer would be good for every American and virtually every American business. It's simply ideology that gets in the way, keeping the health of the public as a 'profit center' instead of a birthright.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:20 pm
by Spidey
“Of course, single payer would be good for every American and virtually every American business. It's simply ideology that gets in the way, keeping the health of the public as a 'profit center' instead of a birthright.”
One man’s opinion…duly noted.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:22 pm
by callmeslick
that's what we do here: opine. I could back mine up with a lot of data, if we ever wanted to take the time to go down that road.....
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:40 am
by woodchip
callmeslick wrote:woodchip wrote:So you don't have a problem with Obama putting bond holders at the end of the line and granting stocks to his union backers?
nope, and I am a GM bondholder, for the sake of disclosure. You see, I preferred not to see the effects on the economy of losing,
probably permanently, over 1 million jobs directly or indirectly tied to GM and Chrysler.
So the only way was to screw the bond holder's and give free stock to the unions? While I was for the feds to help the car companies I certainly never envisioned the unlubricated butt job the feds did with the investors. I'm sure the UAW bosses will be writing big contribution checks for Obama's next go around.
Re: Lynching with a Pubic Hair Rope
Posted: Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:12 pm
by callmeslick
....as will this poor 'victim'.