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Spidey wrote:Nobody has ever died from lack of insurance coverage.

This is exactly why we can't have honest debate in this country.

You were pontificating.......

http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2 ... -coverage/

callmeslick wrote:

Sergeant Thorne wrote:So are these people dying from ignorance or a lack of insurance coverage?

EDIT: Maybe if we start air-dropping bundles of money in large cities it will save lives!

Christian charity from another corner.

We can't have any Christian charity from government, Slick. Remember the separation between church and state!

yeah, Thorne, and I've heard, ad nauseaum, for years how this is a nation founded on Christian values. As Jimmy Carter said," if you don't want your tax money to go to help the poor and sick, then quit saying you want a nation built upon Christian values, because you don't"

Oh, and Thorne, my comment was really referring to your lack of charity towards your fellow man by callously mocking the fact that some of them are dying as a result of not having basic medical insurance. Maybe, I should have been more blunt and questioned your lack of Christian morals altogether.

No one dies from lack of insurance…they die from illness and disease, which goes without treatment.

Blaming it on the lack of insurance is a blatant attempt to ignore the real issues in the country, because the real crisis is the cost of health care, not the lack of insurance.

Also, the failure to deal with admittance policies in this country, where a hospital won’t treat you if you don’t have insurance. Quite immoral if you ask me.

And the elitism that deliberately restricts supply…etc…etc…on and on and so forth...

Keep all of the focus on insurance, while the real problems fester on…

You’re being brainwashed.

I'm sorry, Spidey, it's called being Christian now.

Spidey wrote:No one dies from lack of insurance…they die from illness and disease, which goes without treatment.

Blaming it on the lack of insurance is a blatant attempt to ignore the real issues in the country, because the real crisis is the cost of health care, not the lack of insurance.

Also, the failure to deal with admittance policies in this country, where a hospital won’t treat you if you don’t have insurance. Quite immoral if you ask me.

And the elitism that deliberately restricts supply…etc…etc…on and on and so forth...

Keep all of the focus on insurance, while the real problems fester on…

You’re being brainwashed.

You're right on that point, I'm not disagreeing with you there. Having to have insurance just to get health care is absolutely ridiculous. You walk into any hospital and the first thing they ask you is: "Do you have insurance"? No insurance, no care. It's a scam and people die because of it. So it's not really about having insurance, it's about not being able to get any healthcare without that precious insurance, because it's just too expensive to access and buy in the first place. That's the problem with Obamacare, the requirement to have insurance. There's also no way to control costs because there is no incentive to control costs. Any other industry, like computers for instance, most technical improvements tend to make things cheaper to build, more advanced and cheaper to buy. But all the improvements we've seen over the years in health care have only given the system more reasons to jack up prices, locking out more and more patients, in which case, THEY PROBABLY ENDED UP DYING.

callmeslick wrote:Oh, and Thorne, my comment was really referring to your lack of charity towards your fellow man by callously mocking the fact that some of them are dying as a result of not having basic medical insurance. Maybe, I should have been more blunt and questioned your lack of Christian morals altogether.

I can't tell whether you hang around Washington too much or whether Washington hangs around you too much. A bull★■◆● attack like this has 3 interconnected purposes: demonize the opponent, legitimize the issue, and intimidation the onlookers. We'll skip the character defense because it just legitimizes the argument by drawing attention away from the question of its legitimacy. A lack of medical insurance does not kill people. People die. People die from things that are preventable. Sometimes people even die because no one has enslaved them and taken care of them in exchange for their freedom. People die because no one air-drops tax-payer money into major cities... you monsters...

It is pretty weak to make the argument of saving lives from the threat of no coverage as a way to support the ACA since the number of people without coverage after ACA is in place is projected to be the roughly same!
So if lack of coverage kills, the ACA isn't saving any lives. It might be saving a slightly different mix of lives, and the people with coverage have shifted some costs around a bit but 15-20 million will still have no coverage according to Obama's own administrations projections!

But the ACA wasn't ever a plan to save lives. It was a plan to demagogue an issue into an opportunity to grow government dependency and thus empowering the Party that gets to claim to be the one to have delivered the 'free treatment'. Any improvements to the system or lack thereof are inconsequential to the goals of the ACA authors.

callmeslick wrote:
Oh, and Thorne, my comment was really referring to your lack of charity towards your fellow man by callously mocking the fact that some of them are dying as a result of not having basic medical insurance. Maybe, I should have been more blunt and questioned your lack of Christian morals altogether.

And where are the christian morals that deemed charity is no longer tax exempt? How many are dying because far fewer people are donating to organizations like kitchens feeding the homeless and places that shelter them. Nice to see you think the govt can do a better job.

since when is charitable giving not a tax writeoff? Then again, for those like myself, who don't keep receipts for half of the gifts, it is sort of a moot point, but still.......did the rules change? If so, I have to contact the accountant.