Sergeant Thorne wrote:tunnelcat wrote:OK, I'll try a different tack Spidey. What if the armed militia was a bunch of Black Panthers wanting the exact same thing the current occupiers want, freedom to use the land as they see fit? What do you suppose the authority's reaction would be then? I can guarantee you that there would be a much more aggressive response by either the feds or the local authorities and shooting be damned. But instead, the authorities are pussyfooting around these bastards, afraid of some sort of Waco-style anti-government freakout by every gun owning white male in the U.S. Wussies.
I really don't see that happening, though, TC, because there isn't much of an opportunity for looting here, and the temperatures are absolutely prohibitive.
(sorry, in this case it's just too fun to be racist)
But seriously, I think you're overlooking some of the nuances of the situation which create the climate which you feel is unfair in this instance. A) They've taken over a building in the middle of nowhere with no hostages. B} There is no great destruction of property. C) There is no impending tragedy due to their occupation. D) They actually need and don't have the support of the local authorities for their mischief to gain the traction it needs.
It's true that since the Federal Government went through Waco, there is going to be public pressure felt against a repeat, and this may be where similarities of any kind do contribute (white, religious, ...). Maybe not so much if it were a situation that did not so call to mind ugly past atrocities. There is also a significant difference between using force against a group of Black Panthers and triggering a nation-wide looting spree (weather permitting
), and using force against a group of cowboys and triggering armed, anti-Federal Government insurrection, possibly leading to civil war. EDIT: I'm not saying this ought to color the
right course of action, but it certainly should call for more prudence than angry internet heads and reality TV buffs are fielding.
Uh, they
have started vandalizing things, like removing signs and tearing down fences so that a neighboring rancher can take and use land as he sees fit, land that belongs to all of us. Now it's going to cost you and I money to fix once these morons either leave, or are forced out. Plus, on the law enforcement and people's side, counter protesters are also arriving and making their voices heard. Good for them.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/01/12/us/or ... index.html
This is interesting information too, about the economics of ranching and public lands in the West.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... wasn-t-won
Sergeant Thorne wrote:We're talking a hypothetical situation here, Vander. I was suggesting that looters would take to the streets if the Black Panthers got out of line and were violently put down by the government in TC's role reversal.
Your probably correct, just as a bunch of white militia would come out in force if Bundy and his crew were to get killed by law enforcement in some shootout. But my
first question is, how
quickly would these guys be forced out of their protest by law enforcement if they were black militants? How long would the feds or local law enforcement allow this to drag on before attempting arrests? I'm guessing there would be a much quicker resolution of the situation than we're getting now. There's no question of what would happen
afterwords, well all know violence would ensue.
ST, the LDS Church has come out and condemned Bundy's militia takeover as well. Covering their butts I see.
http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-church-c ... n-building
woodchip wrote:How about some Black Panthers standing outside a polling station and intimidating voters. Did you see any arrests made? Did you see the racist Eric Holder bring federal charges against them? No? I suggest you rethink your statement.
Have you seen anyone from Diebold being thrown in jail for fraud surrounding their electronic voting machines? Sure, they got fined, but that's
nothing to a multinational company worth billions. Before you gripe about partisan BS, both parties were affected by the fraud, not just one party, because both sides will cheat when the opportunity arises. Come to think of it, have you seen any mass arrests from those big banking concerns and charged for causing the 2008 housing meltdown? Nope.
http://disinfo.com/2013/10/voting-machi ... l-conduct/
