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ROFL @ Duper's image.

I kind of look forward to seeing how CD will treat people.

I've noticed that, although D1 and D2 players mostly share the same skill set, those players and D3 players seem to rely on entirely different things. A good D3 player tends to be awesome at dogfighting, but not necessarily as adept at the kind of blind-alley sucker punch tactics I see a lot in D1/2.

Depending what CD does to the balance, both groups of players, and those who have mastered all the games, may have a bit of learning to do.

I think everyone will have a bit of learning to do to get used to the cloaking system. However, I'd think gameplay balance would more heavily favor dogfighters who work well in small areas--it looks from the screenshots like there will definitely be some room to have some good dogfights.

As usual, though, modders and levelmakers will have quite a bit of say in how the game is played.

/me grabs the wheel and steers it back on topic.

Ferno wrote:/me grabs the wheel and steers it back off topic.

Fixed it for you, Fern.

Don't make me get out the modstick.

What is the topic? Is it even relevant given the thread is six and a half years old?

Have a quick read of the first few topics on the first page. you'll have your answer then.

ReadyMan wrote:It's going on a year since the D3 demo was released, and about 9 months since Retail D3....yet there seems to be a lot of 'nostalgic reverence' to the first few months of D3 in many of the threads.

That was the topic. .. sounds kinda wierd now.. and a lot more appropriate.

Well, if it is still topical, these days the answer is pretty obvious.

Everyone sucks. Plain and simple. Of the awesome D3 players from back in 2000/2001, almost everybody has moved on; you have maybe one or two guys who are still uber (not that I'd know since I haven't touched it in a while anyway, but the \"top 20\" lists speak volumes about the competition), and the rest who are just mediocre to reasonably good.

Cynical, yes, but that's how it is with a rapidly aging game. D1 and 2 have a similar situation, except it seems to me more of the top-end IDL crew stuck around. Still a number of the legends have gone on to other things (Birdseye, Karash, Glock, Ender, Sirian... haven't seen them play the game proper in a few years now), but there are still a handful of the sufficiently awesome sticking around... Bubble, Jediluke and MD-1224 come to mind...

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no.. but it sure is gasping and wheezing..

Bet51987 wrote:I wasn't around when the greats were playing but I have a question... I know that some of "the greats" were great because they were really good, but were some greats *great* because they cheated? I say this because now I see anticheat servers running.

uhh i think anyone with common sense wouldnt call someone that cheats great. besides 90% of the greats have lanned together and met each other

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Bet51987 wrote:But why the anticheat servers?

Because there are a few not-that-good-but-annoying-with-cheats players out there. Nobody gets to be great with hax -- they lead to laziness. You never develop your game if you've got hax. But sometimes players get to be OK and then hack to try to be a little bit better. That's what anticheat players protect you from.

There aren't as many cheaters around as I thought there were when I first got into multiplayer about a year and a half ago. I was a complete multiplayer n00b, so I had quite a few \"They must be hacking! Nobody can be that good!\" moments. Since then, I've found that in most cases, those players were really just that skilled/experienced.

On the other hand, I run anti-cheat on my servers, and it has caught a few of the 'bad apples'. Mostly it's been the usual things, like pps settings abuse... but it's also caught a couple of the troublemakers who come in with wildly hacked weapons and/or movement.

For example, a few weeks ago, a player came into a BillTheCat game on a non-AC server I had joined, flying through walls and using a super-fast fusion hack. I did a \"piggyback observer\" and got some screenshots just to make sure. At first, most of the legit players laughed it off (the cheater was still not very good, and couldn't make kills even with the hacked weapons), but it got annoying after a while. Eventually, most of the players ended up switching to another game, which happened to be on an AC server. It was rather gratifying to see that almost as soon as the hacker followed, he/she got kicked!

Anyway, all that to say: there aren't that many hacks/cheaters around, but the AntiCheat servers seem to be helping a bit to keep them out of some of the popular levels.

just dropped by, and decided to give my 2 cents.

oh, I closed my paypal account sorry

Foil wrote:There aren't as many cheaters around as I thought there were when I first got into multiplayer about a year and a half ago. I was a complete multiplayer n00b, so I had quite a few "They must be hacking! Nobody can be that good!" moments. Since then, I've found that in most cases, those players were really just that skilled/experienced.

Getting accused of cheating is one of the greatest compliments ever.

I used to get accused all the time....not in descent, but in quake2

aaronb wrote:

Foil wrote:There aren't as many cheaters around as I thought there were when I first got into multiplayer about a year and a half ago. I was a complete multiplayer n00b, so I had quite a few "They must be hacking! Nobody can be that good!" moments. Since then, I've found that in most cases, those players were really just that skilled/experienced.

Getting accused of cheating is one of the greatest compliments ever.

Actually, It can be quite annoying and usually makes players not want to play.

aaronb wrote:

Foil wrote:There aren't as many cheaters around as I thought there were when I first got into multiplayer about a year and a half ago. I was a complete multiplayer n00b, so I had quite a few "They must be hacking! Nobody can be that good!" moments. Since then, I've found that in most cases, those players were really just that skilled/experienced.

Getting accused of cheating is one of the greatest compliments ever.

Agreed completely. I've only been called a cheater once, and in response, I quickly typed "Thank you".

Don't worry, it really does get old after hearing it every other game for 5 years.

Neitzl wrote:I used to get accused all the time....not in descent, but in quake2

Been on the business end of that more than once.

lol Ferno

heh

Best.
Thread.
Ever.

heh!

Neitzl wrote:I used to get accused all the time....not in descent, but in quake2

lol neitzl

G-damn, Sarge!
That is one UGLY mug there!
AH atlanta that was a fun LAN. Uberfest '99.
And yes, I won the Quake2 tourney in that one. Don't ask about the descent part of the tournament, I sucked hard.
Thanks for bringing up the memories. How ya doing Sarge!? Still in old cheddarland? How 'bout them Bears!

That's the only pic I have of you, N!

I still have flashbacks of playing many games of Q2 against you... those were great times and great fun!

Email me so we can catch up!

You weren't the only one who sucked, Neitz. I played drunk. You, Me, Starfire and Lioness went to Chili's before the match and I got smacked. Then I picked Darkhall to play in. BZZZZT! WRONG!

If you had a better non-drunken partner, it would have been a 2fer for you. Oh well, such is life.

By the way-- two of the four mugs you gave me still live. One broke in the dishwasher, the other fell off of my pinball machine. The remaining two- Best. Beer. Mugs. Ever. Must have had the flow of a years worth on Milwaukee suds flow through them. Cheers!

KingNine

haha it's K9. sup man? LTNS.

Stroll down memory lane here.

STOP THE MADNESS!!

Stormcrow. I haven't seen that name or him in ages.

Hahah, if it isn't kingnine!! Man, didn't think you would come back here hehe

Man, I haven't played this game in AGES, yet I still participate on the forums. I wonder what the next 6 degree game will be that ends up bringing everyone together again.

And for those that don't know. Admiral Thrawn = Korrupt
Also been known to go by Fusion Pimp

speaking of the greats, is TomCat still around?

ReadyMan wrote:speaking of the greats, is TomCat still around?

If you're talking about the one from Kali... then yeah he actually pops in once in awhile... I think. Last month when I was actually in Kali often, yeah he was in once in awhile. Never talked much tho

Admiral Thrawn wrote:And for those that don't know. Admiral Thrawn = Korrupt
Also been known to go by Fusion Pimp

yea.. the ORIGINAL fusion pimp!

Awww yah, you're still somewhere. Very cool!
That's ok, about being drunk, best way to play, given a choice! Makes the flow even more flow.
That's awesome that the mugs were/are put to great use! Do they have a groove from your drinking so much? heh
Hope all is well with ya and the fam!
Peace out! We should take another road trip with BBB somewhere....oh wait....lets not! Least not with BBB hah!
peace!
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KingNine wrote:You weren't the only one who sucked, Neitz. I played drunk. You, Me, Starfire and Lioness went to Chili's before the match and I got smacked. Then I picked Darkhall to play in. BZZZZT! WRONG!

If you had a better non-drunken partner, it would have been a 2fer for you. Oh well, such is life.

By the way-- two of the four mugs you gave me still live. One broke in the dishwasher, the other fell off of my pinball machine. The remaining two- Best. Beer. Mugs. Ever. Must have had the flow of a years worth on Milwaukee suds flow through them. Cheers!

KingNine

I might be crazy but it seems to me that only the err formerly great pilots & most likely players damn near that genetic pool are still playing D3 and I would even go further in saying that the small band of Descent players currently playing numbers probably 200 players and the European community. Don't be surprised if it's more like 100 aliases involved in that total that are experts widely known for years and years. In fact it would be perhaps an interesting thread for known pilots to \"come out of the closet\" with their aliases .... I'll show you mine if you show me yours\" <---mmmm something vaguely familiar about that, OH nevermind that was after spin the bottle D'oh!