DescentBB

This guy has it together and shows the rhetoric for what it is.



Dear Senator Frist:



There is a huge amount of propaganda and myths circulating about illegal
aliens, particularly illegal

Mexican, Salvadorian, Guatemalan and Honduran aliens.



1. Illegal aliens generally do NOT want U.S. citizenship. Americans
are very vain thinking that everybody in the world wants to be a U.S.
citizen. Mexicans and other nationalities want to remain citizens of
their home countries while obtaining the benefits offered by the United
States such as employment, medical care, in-state tuition, Government
subsidized housing and free education for their offspring. Their main
attraction is employment and their loyalty usually remains at home.
They want benefits earned and subsidized middle-class Americans. What
illegal aliens want are benefits of American residence without paying
the price.



2. There are no jobs that Americans won't do. Illegal aliens are doing
jobs that Americans can't take and still support their families.
Illegal aliens take low wage jobs, live dozens in a single residence
home, share expenses and send money to their home country. There are no
jobs that Americans won't do for a decent wage.



3. Every person who illegally entered this nation left a home. They
are NOT homeless and they are NOT Americans. Some left jobs in their
home countries. They come to send money to their real home as evidenced
by the more than 20 billion dollars sent out of the country each year by
illegal aliens. These illegal aliens knowingly and willfully entered
this nation in violation of the law and therefore assumed the risk of
detection and deportation. Those who brought their alien children
assumed the responsibility and risk on behalf of their children.



4. Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy. Illegal aliens
constitute less than 5% of the work force. However, they reduce wages
and benefits for lawful U.S. residents.



5. This is NOT an immigrant nation. There are 280 million native born
Americans. While it is true that this nation was settled and founded by
immigrants (legal immigrants), it is also true that there is not a
nation on this planet that was not settled by immigrants at one time or
another.



6. The United States is welcoming to legal immigrants. Illegal aliens
are not immigrants by definition. The U.S. accepts more lawful
immigrants every year than the rest of the world combined.



7. There is no such thing as the \"Hispanic vote\". Hispanics are white,
brown, black and every shade and in between. Hispanics are Republicans,
Democrats, Anarchists, Communists, Marxists and Independents. The
so-called \"Hispanic vote\" is a myth. Pandering to illegal aliens to get
the Hispanic vote is a dead end.



8. Mexico is NOT a friend of the United States.

a.. Since 1848 Mexicans have resented the United States.
b.. During World War I Mexico allowed German Spies to operate freely
in Mexico to spy on the U.S.
c.. During World War II Mexico allowed the Axis powers to spy on the
U.S. from Mexico.
d.. During the Cold War Mexico allowed spies hostile to the U.S. to
operate freely.
e.. The attack on the Twin Towers in 2001 was cheered and applauded
all across Mexico.
f.. Today Mexican school children are taught that the U.S. stole
California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
g.. If you don't believe it, check out some Mexican textbooks written
for their schoolchildren.


9. Although some illegal aliens enter this country for a better life,
there are 6 billion people on planet. At least 1 billion of those live
on less than one dollar a day. If wanting a better life is a valid
excuse to break the law and sneak into America, then let's allow those
one billion to come to America and we'll turn the USA into a Third World
nation overnight.



Besides, there are 280 million native born Americans who want a better
life. I'll bet Bill Gates and Donald Trump want a better life. When
will the USA lifeboat be full? Since when is wanting a better life a
good reason to trash another nation?



10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are
hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior
citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take
jobs at a decent wage.



11. It is racist to want secure borders. What is racist about wanting
secure borders and a secure America? What is racist about not wanting
people to sneak into America and steal benefits we have set aside for
legal aliens, senior citizens, children and other legal residents? What
is it about race that entitles people to violate our laws, steal
identities, and take the American Dream without paying the price?



For about four decades American politicians have refused to secure our
borders and look after the welfare of middle class Americans. These
politicians have been of both parties. A huge debt to American society


has resulted. This debt will be satisfied and the interest will be
high. There has already been riots in the

streets by illegal aliens and their supporters. There will be more.
You, as a politician, have a choice to offend the illegal aliens who
have stolen into this country and demanded the rights afforded to U. S.
citizens or to offend those of us who are stakeholders in this country.
The interest will be steep either way. There will be civil unrest.
There will be a reckoning.



Do you have the courage to do what is right for America? Or, will you
bow to the wants and needs of those who don't even have the right to
remain here?



There will be a reckoning. It will come in November of this year, again
in 2008 and yet again in 2010.


We will not allow America to be stolen by third world agitators and
thieves.


David J. Stoddard

U.S. Border Patrol (RET)

Hereford, Arizona

There are some misconceptions/untruths in that \"letter\" (and by letter I mean probably-chain-mailing):

Illegal aliens are NOT critical to the economy.

Wrong. They are not critical in the sense that the economy is built on illegal immigration, but a wholesale sudden removal of illegal immigrants would caue a massive shock to our economy. They have dollars, they spend dollars. Removing X million people who save/spend money will cause a massive shock to the economy. The degree, duration, and sustainability of that shock is up for debate.

10. There is a labor shortage in this country. This is a lie. There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of American housewives, senior citizens, students, unemployed and underemployed who would gladly take jobs at a decent wage.

Unemployed does NOT mean \"does not have a job.\" Unemployed means \"does not have a job, is currently looking for a job.\" And there are different kinds of unemployment classified as to their cause. This point is an oversimplification, and depending on who you ask, his conclusion (\"there is no labor shortage\") is either correct or incorrect. I'd side with the former: at 4.7% unemployment, we've got just a bit of a labor surplus. Enough to keep inflation in check, at least.

The rest of the \"letter\", after the bullet points, is mere rhetoric. \"Stolen away\", \"demanded\", \"reckoning\", \"stakeholders\", \"do you have the courage\", etc.

Don't think so. The gap left behind by their removal wouldn't last a second. There are plenty of people looking for work.

Flipping the coin...where do you get the idea that being unemployed means they're looking for a job? Unemployed means just that. They don't have a job. It doesn't mean they're looking for one. Many actually aren't. (However the ones that are are numerous enough to keep my above statement accurate)

From the U.S. Bureau of Labor and Statistics Website:

Unemployed persons (Current Population Survey)
Persons aged 16 years and older who had no employment during the reference week, were available for work, except for temporary illness, and had made specific efforts to find employment sometime during the 4-week period ending with the reference week. Persons who were waiting to be recalled to a job from which they had been laid off need not have been looking for work to be classified as unemployed.

And Testi, don't be so sure about that the gap wouldn't last a second. That debate (how long such shocks last) has been raging for well over a hundred years in this country.

Your definition sounds like a UC benefits description. Hardly fits the real world, where the lazy and incompenet roam, and don't have jobs, nor really want them. They're still..unemployed.

Testiculese wrote:Your definition sounds like a UC benefits description. Hardly fits the real world, where the lazy and incompenet roam, and don't have jobs, nor really want them. They're still..unemployed.

D's point is that they shouldn't be counted in the "unemployed" statistic, otherwise it would be become useless. Think about all of the retired people, housewives, and students who arn't employed, but arn't looking for employment either. If they where counted in the statistic, the unemployment rate would jump from ~5% to probably somewhere between 30% and 50%. That's a big difference.

It could be argued that the sudden introduction of new jobs would motivate more people to start looking for job, but at the same time a lot of the jobs that would open up would be ones that a lot of people wouldn't be willing to take. The labor shortage question really is up for speculation. I could see it going either way. I do think that the long term economic state of the country would improve as a result of wiping out illegal jobs, because it would result in a net of less money leaving the country. D- illegals are among the lowest spenders in the country. The majority of them cohabitate and scrimp on every penny to be able to send as much money as possible to their home country. As consumers, they wouldn't affect the market much. They would, however, cause an increase in prices, because labor would suddenly become more expensive.

that whole letter is just mere enthusiasm. i love the sentence \"Mexicans have hated us since 1848\"...well gee whiz that's the kicker...SEND 'EM ALL BACK BY GOLLY

Gotcha. I was mentally discounting retirees, students and housewives. Those with no reason to have a job. (Well, students fall into both categories)

Testiculese wrote:Your definition sounds like a UC benefits description. Hardly fits the real world, where the lazy and incompenet roam, and don't have jobs, nor really want them. They're still..unemployed.

No they're not, because they're not even part of the workforce. You have to be part of the workforce and involuntarily out of work to fit the definition of unemployed.

snoopy: The point is that it's not just the immigrants themselves who spend the money related to their existence in this country. There are certain needs that must be fulfilled (food, housing) and therefore money will always be spent here. In addition, there's the cost of their employer hiring them. Now that the employer has laborers (no matter their cost) the employer uses them to produce things, for which it buys raw materials. And the effect continues. There's a lot more to it than the immigrants themselves.