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Is this a spoof? Or is this real? It looks authentic, and if so ... wow, so much for the "Religion of Peace®." Not much sugar coating if it's genuine.

The obligation of inciting religious hatred

This Saturday's LIVE talk on Paltalk will discuss one of the greatest forgotten obligations in Islaam - Inciting religious hatred. Allaah (swt) orders the believers to hate all other religions, way of lives, creeds, doctrines and beliefs that contradict with Islaam, and one cannot be Muslim without to declare animosity and hatred towards kufr, bid'ah, shirk and nifaaq (Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism, Buddhism, Democracy, Freedom etc.).

Date and time: 20th of March 2004, from 6pm to 7:30pm GMT
Room: LIVE - Inciting religious hatred
Speaker: Abu Muwahhid

Here's the URL:
http://www.almuk.com/obm/paltalk.html

well that is a pretty fair interpretation of the que'ran, although it IS an interpretation. It could be argued that "hate" is a mistranslation.

Remember that when translating something from another language you can't be literal. For example, the King James version of the bible quotes Genesis as reading "and God said, let there Be light, and there was light". However, the original text had connotations of contruction, which implies both effort and time were expended in the creation. This is obviously a somewhat unrelated example, but it does show how an "accurate" translation can take a labour and make it a flippant command. Similarly, while the spirit of believing other religeons are wrong no doubt remains the same in the intent of the Que'ran and this interpretation, the hate might simply not be intended to exist in the real text.

Well, the Koran was originally written in Arabic and I assume that Abu Muwahhid (who's presenting this little speech) is an Arab or speaks Arabic. It's not like the Koran was written in some lost language and has to be deciphered. That said, I don't know if the Koran explicity says what this repellent toad seems to be pushing, or if he's just twisting things to support his little hate-fest. Either way it sounds pretty heinous to me and I can only imagine hearing those organizing this event seething and whining if someone in Britain or the U.S. said that Muslims should be comprehensively hated and shown universal animosity.

I just did a Google search and found an article that said many Muslims consider translating the Koran into a language other than Arabic to be sacrilege. Never knew that.

From what little I've seen translated out of the Qu'ran and from lessons of it and Islam (among others) in world studies, I don't see it as actually meaning that, though religious texts are usually up for complete (mis)interpretation, even by those who speak its original language, just due to the passage of time.

For example, if I'm remembering right, Muhammed respected Jesus, a Jew (as yet another spoken to by God, not as the Messiah or Son of God), hardly indicating a command to hate all those of other beliefs or ways of life. What I remember of it is basically yet another interpretation of God (the same God as in Judeo-Christianity), combining faith and rules for daily life in a single document.

I've never sat down and read any of the translated copies of the Qu'ran (just like I don't sit around reading the Bible or Torah for fun), so I can't attest to anything on a larger scale than the tiny glimpse I've had (which of course can be just as "tainted" by (mis)interpretation).

In any case, I highly doubt that the intention Muhammed had was for his followers to hate the rest of the world and yell "ji'had" and start killing everyone else. Allah is a vengeful god, and those who die in a true ji'had for him will be rewarded in heaven, but just saying you are on ji'had doesn't make it so.


In summary: He's a radical idiot, in my opinion.

this is actually true to an extent.

my GF has a friend who is a Hindu. I;m not too sure about their beliefs but I tihnk it's the same book?

even if its not, its an example.

her parents almost disowned her for having non-hindu friends - rarly are her buddies aloud to her house or even she aloud to theirs!

on her own birthday her friends went out for dinner... with out her...

people are violent... some are mentally insane... but there are those who do not want the people to unite at all...

I don't think that Hindu people follow the Koran. It wouldn't seem like it considering what bitter enemies Hindus and Muslims often are in India and Kashmir. I think the Bhagavad Gita is the primary spiritual tome for Hindus, but I'm not certain.

it's like none of you have ever heard of mutually exclusive religions.

christianity doesn't promote religious freedom either you know.
it's "god's way or the highway" in christianity.

havn't you seen what god/god's people have done to other religions in the bible? there are wars fought, there are countless killed, there are churches/idols demolished.

Yeah, except this is 2004, not 1200 B.C. ... I haven't seen any Philistines smitten as of late.

ahh, 1200 BC, seems like only yesterday. roid, silence, you kaffir mongrel!

Homepage, is that the site belonging to the one-eyed hookman?

That would be Sheikh Abu Hamza al-Masri. I'm not sure if he's invovlved with that site or not, wouldn't surprise me if he is. I don't think he and Abu Muwahhid are the same person, but you never know ... seems like every Islamic radical has about twenty different names.