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N.A.S.A.'s X-43 SCRAMJet platform flies Pacific @ Mach 7

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:19 pm
by AceCombat

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:28 pm
by KompresZor
one step closer to going from runway to space :D I just hope I live long enough to be able to jump on a plane and go into space.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:30 pm
by AceCombat
you old fart :twisted: ill definately see that day. im only 22

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:34 pm
by T-Bone
I think you've got it backwards Ace.

1 MPH = .869 Kts

5000 MPH = ~4345 Kts

That's still fast though!

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 3:38 pm
by Top Gun
There was an article in Popular Science several months ago about the team of engineers testing the scramjet engine. Good to see they got it to work :D.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:17 pm
by AceCombat
T-Bone wrote:I think you've got it backwards Ace.

1 MPH = .869 Kts

5000 MPH = ~4345 Kts

That's still fast though!

uuhh no.

1 Kt = 1.15 MPH ask any person in here who is a pilot or a skipper of a boat and they will give the exact same answer.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:44 pm
by Santrix
Yeah, i'd bet my life on the fact that 1knot is atleast 1.1MPH

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:45 pm
by Iceman
AceCombat wrote:
T-Bone wrote:I think you've got it backwards Ace.

1 MPH = .869 Kts

5000 MPH = ~4345 Kts

That's still fast though!

uuhh no.

1 Kt = 1.15 MPH ask any person in here who is a pilot or a skipper of a boat and they will give the exact same answer.
1 mile/hour (mph) = 0.8689762 knot
Therefore 5000 mile/hour (mph) = 4,344.8812095 knot
http://www.onlineconversion.com/speed_common.htm

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:48 pm
by T-Bone
Uuhh... yeah

1 MPH = .869 Kts
conversely
1 Kts = 1.15 MPH

Go back and look at your original post. You were converting from MPH to Knots so you need to multiply by .869 instead of 1.15. You had it bass ackwards.

BTW, I'm a Flight Instructor. :P

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 6:54 pm
by Mobius
Of course, you could avoid all problems by simply using Kilometres per hour as a measurement for speed.

I *think* this was the whole idea behind the System Internationale. :P

and - um - just a point of interest - do you have a time machine? That flight isn't due until tomorrow. So "flies" is incorrect. "Hopefully *will* fly" is accurate - and I don't have much faith in them getting it right this time either. :P

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 7:04 pm
by Sting_Ray
Is anyone else totally uninterested in mobius' posts anymore? Always the naysayer sh-it on america poster. Well mobi... kiss my aImagess :)

That's awesome by the way. I love speed. The faster we can travel the better. I won't be satisfied until we just can't physically go any faster.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:11 pm
by AceCombat
AceCombat wrote: 1 Kt = 1.15 MPH ask any person in here who is a pilot or a skipper of a boat and they will give the exact same answer.

T-Bone wrote:BTW, I'm a Flight Instructor. :P

so why did you contradict yourself?!?!?!? im not a instructor but i know my conversions. and for the last ohhh 8-9 years of my life i have known that kts = MPH x 1.15 because 1 Kt is actually a Nautical Mile which are longer than Statue Miles ~ .15 longer than 1 Statue Mile
1 knot = 1.1507794 mile/hour (mph)
taken from http://www.onlineconversion.com/speed_common.htm



mobi STFU you aussie wannabie SOB
Mobius wrote: and - um - just a point of interest - do you have a time machine? That flight isn't due until tomorrow. So "flies" is incorrect.

let me ask you something......how long have you known about the X-43? cuz ive known about it for about ohhhhh........8-9 months now, all the flights with scale and full scale models have worked flawlessly with the exception of taking on a full speed - full throttle flight and try to push the Mach 7 barrier of which will be a first for any "airplane" and it is a barrier that only rockets have been able to surpass. they have been "glide" testing this thing for 3 weeks now, full scale aircraft, no fuel but weighed down to compensate for the dry tanks, it flies like any other airplane except it handles like a friggin brick similar to the space shuttle's flight performance. now concerning your question, "flies" is correct, ~ 70% of these test flights were performed over the Pacific Ocean, and one 1/2 Scale model flight achieved a rocket powered speed of ~ Mach 6.8. while you have a technicality to my title, your also wrong.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:55 pm
by Krom
Stop smoking crack ace, T-B has it right.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 9:59 pm
by Tetrad
Krom wrote:Stop smoking crack ace, T-B has it right.
Yes he does.

1 knot = 1.15 miles/hour. Therefore if you have x mph and want to convert it to knots, you have to compute x mph / 1.15 miles/hour per knot. Or multiply by 1/1.15 or .87 or so.

Don't believe me? Just ask google

Edit:
Acecombat wrote:1 Kt is actually a Nautical Mile which are longer than Statue Miles ~ .15 longer than 1 Statue Mile
If a Nautical mile is a longer unit of measure, if you're going the same speed you will be able to cross fewer units of them in the same amount of time (an hour, in this case). So the measurement in knots will be less than the measurement in mph, if you still have trouble thinking about it.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:00 pm
by MD-2389
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Ohh sorry, are you guys done yet?

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:00 pm
by DCrazy
Ace, you were doing the wrong conversion. You were using the MPH-to-Knots conversion factor (1.15) to go from Knots to MPH.

Here:

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 x Kts         1 MPH
-------  X  ---------- = (x Kts)(1/1.15) = 0.89x 
   1         1.15 Kts

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:35 pm
by Sting_Ray
Stop with the nerdness. God damn, it's just a math problem. No one REALLY cares the difference between a nautical mile, a standard mile, and a hole in your aImagess.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:51 pm
by Krom
Actually Sting_Ray, this is a good example of being Anal (and AceCombat being stupid).

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:55 pm
by BUBBALOU
I have to say this... cause it is true

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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 10:59 pm
by Capm
ROFL!

Okay Sting, lets you and I start up an arguement about what is cheesier, sliced cheese or cheese whiz, Thats about where I see this heading :P

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:02 pm
by AceCombat
albe damn............................ :?



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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:04 pm
by Tetrad
Sting_Ray wrote:God damn, it's just a math problem.
As a CS major (read: nerd) I just have to try to explain to people who don't get simple math concepts why they're stupid.

Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2004 11:17 pm
by BUBBALOU
yep even simple ones like
Mach Number (M) = TAS/CS

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 7:12 am
by woodchip
Yawn.

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:19 am
by Scorch
is this a new record? Only three friggen posts before the topic got sidetracked and the name calling started. :roll:

What was the point of the post again? Oh yeah, scramjet engine. Goes fast. Who the Fvck cares whether it's 5750 or 4880 MPH?!! It's plenty fast either way!

Now, when will Mach 10 be reached?

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 9:05 am
by bash
Mobius==Cliff Claven of the DBB

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 11:08 am
by AceCombat
Scorch wrote:Now, when will Mach 10 be reached?
the X-43's top speed is reported to be Mach 12, but they are gradually testing it at faster speeds on each flight

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:23 pm
by MD-2389
AceCombat wrote:
Scorch wrote:Now, when will Mach 10 be reached?
the X-43's top speed is reported to be Mach 12, but they are gradually testing it at faster speeds on each flight
I wonder if it'll beat the record for highest altitude that the X-31 (I think thats the plane that did it) set many years ago. That plane went so high that the jet engines themselves stalled and they had to rely on RCS thrusters to move around.

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 2:41 pm
by AceCombat
that was the X-30, it "was" the first platform destined to use SCRAMJets, but the technology was WAAAAAAY to expensive to justify any working flights, so they simply put RAMJets and thrustuers on it

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:11 pm
by Duper
The SR-71 flew at Mach 7 easily. ..at altitude of course. :)

That was cruising speed.

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:15 pm
by Vertigo
Uh, no... Mach 4, i think, right ?

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 8:24 pm
by Duper
Uh no, I was in the air force. I saw data that was not typically released to the general public.

The top speed of the Blackbird was disintigration.

Posted: Fri Mar 26, 2004 10:21 pm
by Sting_Ray
As a CS major (read: nerd) I just have to try to explain to people who don't get simple math concepts why they're stupid.
I will agree with that. I do SO love watching people's expression when you prove to them beyond a reasonable doubt that they are retarded. I derive few greater pleasures in life. Except poonanny... I LOOOOOVE the 'tang.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 2:50 am
by Ferno
it's real fast.. how's that?

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 3:40 am
by roid
from the article wrote:...using a hydrogen-powered "scramjet" engine, the first such test of the technology.
WRONG CNN, the university of queensland (ie: QLD, Australia, where i live) SUCCESSFULLY tested (as in, it ran properly) a scramjet engine 1 year ago. we beat you nasa (using only a miniscule of the nasa budget too, might i add).

we didn't just test it, we SUCCEEDED in running it.
world's first, low budget too. mnar-mnar!!! (*does dance of underdog pride*)

:P:P:P

University of Queensland "Hyshot" program

i'm not sure why CNN would lie about that. any ideas?

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 4:13 am
by roid
Sting_Ray wrote:Is anyone else totally uninterested in mobius' posts anymore? Always the naysayer sh-it on america poster. Well mobi... kiss my aImagess :)

That's awesome by the way. I love speed. The faster we can travel the better. I won't be satisfied until we just can't physically go any faster.
pot
kettle
black

read through your posts in this very thread and tell me otherwise. all you do is TRY to pull ppl down.

change.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 7:11 am
by bash
roid, don't you mean a downunderdog? :oops:

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 9:53 am
by Krom
The top speed of the Blackbird was disintigration.
Yeah I heard that somewhere, more power then they know how to contain. I think I heard a story of one of them outrunning a missile over russia once. The guy knew it was locked on so he hit the thrusters rather then let the missile catch him, said the plane just kept accelerating like there was no limit.

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:41 am
by AceCombat
i think i heard something like that about 5 - 6 years ago.. didnt think it was true......ohwell

Posted: Sat Mar 27, 2004 11:49 am
by Beowulf
I wish people would get over themselves and stop being so anal about this sorta thing. I hope it helps you sleep better at night Tetrad, because if you enjoy flaming people over the internet then you must not derive pleasure from very much else in life.
Big deal, he made a math mistake. What difference does it make?