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Well, not really today, but more of over a few months.

I honestly can't do one of those cool story thingies, so I will put it as bluntly and as thoughtlessly as I can: The Republicans screw this country up, and The Democrats don't fix anything.

I honestly don't see any change so far since five months ago. The troops aren't out of Iraq, there is no solution to healthcare, immigration, nothing has changed. But, they were voted in on the principle of changing the government. Why doesn't this country have more than two parties with good chances?

I guess this isn't really a debate but more of a rant... either way, any comments?

The system is no longer functioning as it was intended. Republicans and Democrats are both trying to get away with as much as they can. They only see the war in Iraq as a way to increase their political leverage. If they actually cared, they'd do something about it.

Four thousand people every year die from illegible drug prescriptions in the United States. Where's the outrage about that?? Why aren't the Democrats raging about \"stopping the death toll?\" Because it doesn't fit their agenda at the moment.

I'm personally conservative, but I'll throw this out for everybody who lives in the U.S. If you're waiting for an overpaid politician (who writes their own payraises, mind you) to truly represent you, you're wasting your time. Their job is to stay in office. The system is broken, people. If you're waiting for the government to \"save the country\" you're an idiot, no matter *WHO* is in office. Get off your behind and get it done yourself.

Heck, here in New Orleans, we can't get rid of bad politicians no matter how hard we try. You would think it'd be easy... but when a huge chunk of the population is reliant on the government for a living, they're not going to vote in anybody who would endanger that, regardless of the fact that the city can't financially support it any more.

Oh geez, when did I get on a soapbox? Sorry...

Did you ever hear of the term Populism?
Now, did you ever hear it in a conversation about a recent US government?
My guess is 'no'.

Oh, and the Democrat Party is just the Republican Party in a different guise.


*/me laughs at you behind the safety of a proper election system and governments*

Republicrat. Two puppets, one puppetmaster. Their goal: your money.

I think that's the only thing left and right wingers can agree on... politicians suck!

We are trapped in a 2-party system, the very thing George Washington warned us about 200 years ago, and now look whats happening. We need to quit this retarded party mentality altogether and vote in independence.

Testiculese wrote:Republicrat. Two puppets, one puppetmaster. Their goal: your money.

this would be fine if it wasn't that Republicans outright lie about it, try to tell you they are for SMALLER government and LESS spending.

sometimes it makes me "grr" and othertimes it makes me "lol"

The Republicans screw this country up, and The Democrats don't fix anything.

Yeah I think you got that about right.

Oh....Do you have a problem with that?

Actually, it's impossible to fix anything if we don't work together. And since not enough people care enough to help each other out, I'll count on Jesus to return and fix everything, thank you very much. ^_~

In my opinion, the thing that would most be most likely to fix your problem is if there's so little voter turnout that most of the votes are by people who are actually dedicated to having the better government, so that the 2-way thing stops.
Although there's also the small chance that one of the parties will sacrifice their power for a better country, but I honestly doubt that will happen in America; not since your governments started trying to blame problems on foeign countries since WW2. (support you local anti-anti-terrorism party today!)

Top Wop wrote:We are trapped in a 2-party system, the very thing George Washington warned us about 200 years ago,

Hmm...?
Interesting. I don't suppose you have a quote handy, do you?

Im having a hard time finding a place that translates and articulated what Washington said, but he was most famous for saying so in his Farewell Address, He starts to talk about it at point 15. Here is a layman's translation of that speech.

Fear not my Christian brothers, Jesus will come and smite the infidels in the prophesized holy war. Jesus is great!

roid, man, watch the trolling.

Convert my friend! Or Jesus will smite non-believers like you when he comes back and saves us all.

I also count on Jesus to return and fix everything. Why do you persecute me but not Burlyman?

roid wrote:Why do you persecute me but not Burlyman?

Burlyman, while not particularly on-topic, didn't go out of his way to be disrespectful. You did. You're trolling, and you've been around long enough to know that's not cool.

I agree with Lothar; you should stop that, Roid! Everyone already knows that Jesus isn't even going to go anywhere near America!

Actually, for the very first time in my life, there is a TINY chance I might vote republican. BUT, it's ONLY because there is a TINY (very tiny) chance that Ron Paul might win the republican nomination.

Ron Paul has been entirely consistent in his opposition to the Iraq war.
Ron Paul wants to abolish the income tax.
Ron Paul has NEVER voted for a tax increase and has voted against EVERY salary increase for Congress.

Ron Paul is so Libertarian that he ran for President as a Libertarian in 1988.

So, in the unlikely (but not impossible) circumstance that Ron gets the republican nomination, you actually WILL have a choice in the next election when voting for the major two parties. Otherwise, you will have to vote for a 3rd party candidate because all of the rest of the Republican and Democrat candidates are pretty much the same. They want bigger, stronger government. They may differ on exactly which of your rights they want the government to take away from you, and on where they want the government to spend trillions of dollars, but the end result is still going to be the same. Bigger government and less freedom.

Ron Paul has zero chance at getting the nod. For which I'm glad. I like him as a Congressman, but not as President.

Ron Paul will go the way of Kennedy if he tries to mess with the income tax fraud.

Lothar wrote:Ron Paul has zero chance at getting the nod.

You'll note, I DID emphasize the TINY part. I'm not willing to say zero, but I will certainly admit that it's very CLOSE to zero. Miracles do happen.

Testiculese wrote:Ron Paul will go the way of Kennedy if he tries to mess with the income tax fraud.

QUITE likely. BUT, it's still worth trying. Got to try and do right, even if it's unlikely to succeed.

Kilarin wrote:Miracles do happen.

Not in the republican party they don't.