WTF @ this?

CDN_Merlin · Post by **CDN_Merlin** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:27 pm

http://www.broadband.rogers.com/news/wo ... d=w033147A

And we have to treat them properly? Man, when are we gonna say fudge it and just nuke the entire frigin country once and for all.

This is totally disgusting. And these people think they are the chosen ones? WTF. Sick bastards.

bash · Post by **bash** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 4:38 pm

Unfortunately these things happen in a warzone. Also, retaliating in kind would only play into the hands of the folks who want Iraq to fall into anarchy. I just hope that the June 30 deadline holds and we're out of the thick of things and let the Iraqi's handle it themselves. Until that time, the worst is yet to come, I'm afraid. The folks I reserve my anger for are the photogs and videographers who will claim to be journalists just recording an event. It's fairly clear from the gruesome images the brutalizers were playing to the camera. Hopefully the US will be able to make some identifications from those pictures of the ringleaders and justice will silently visit them.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 6:14 pm

I think it is time for us to fight fire with fire. Maybe we should have roaming teams of undercover "Special" avengers that could be on the scene (at least as rapidly as the newsies) and open fire on the crowds that are so openly enjoying the horrific death of a human being. Kinda show them that what goes around, comes around. Screw the niceties of civil justice.

Avder · Post by **Avder** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 7:07 pm

You know, I hate the idea of being a racist, but at the same time, the more and more I learn about Arabs (and other Islamic people as well) The more I find myself disgusted at these people as a whole and become ready to advocate nuking them out of existence.

Will Robinson · Post by **Will Robinson** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:11 pm

woodchip wrote:I think it is time for us to fight fire with fire. Maybe we should have roaming teams of undercover "Special" avengers that could be on the scene (at least as rapidly as the newsies) and open fire on the crowds that are so openly enjoying the horrific death of a human being. Kinda show them that what goes around, comes around. Screw the niceties of civil justice.

Isn't that what Uday and Qusay were doing before we rescued Iraq from them....

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:37 pm

Will Robinson wrote:
woodchip wrote:I think it is time for us to fight fire with fire. Maybe we should have roaming teams of undercover "Special" avengers that could be on the scene (at least as rapidly as the newsies) and open fire on the crowds that are so openly enjoying the horrific death of a human being. Kinda show them that what goes around, comes around. Screw the niceties of civil justice.
Isn't that what Uday and Qusay were doing before we rescued Iraq from them....

Nah, they did that no matter what. Then again maybe thats the only thing some Iraqis understand.

Kyouryuu · Post by **Kyouryuu** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:39 pm

You know, I'll be the first to admit that I've grown thoroughly sick of these guerillas. But what you need to remember is what the news doesn't tell you. While a bunch of their savage brothers and sisters were busy grenading, shooting, beating, burning, dragging, and hanging the civilians, there the majority of Iraqis were disgusted. Unfortunately, none of them had the guts to break up the event.

I really hope we nail the fukkers who did this. I am thoroughly disgusted with certain so-called members of the human race.

What's frightening to me is that no matter what happens on June 30th, this terrorist element will never go away. Just because the Iraqis will get a democracy does not mean certain crazy people from Fallujah won't continue their deadly shenanigans. I just hope we get our business done in that hellhole and get out.

The only thing I can hope for, against hope, is that the Iraqis are equally and thoroughly disgusted at their brothers and sisters who did this and that they will finally realize the violent absurdity of their actions.

But I have no faith that will happen.

Bold Deceiver · Post by **Bold Deceiver** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 8:48 pm

Kyouryuu wrote:While a bunch of their savage brothers and sisters were busy grenading, shooting, beating, burning, dragging, and hanging the civilians, there the majority of Iraqis were disgusted.

I think you're on target here, Kyouryuu. Thanks for posting it.

BD

Lothar · Post by **Lothar** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:10 pm

The absolute worst response we could give would be the "what goes around comes around" response.

This gives us a perfect opportunity to demonstrate to the Arab world that we're *not* the devil -- instead of responding by killing a bunch of civilians, we respond by arresting the ringleaders and allowing them to be tried by their own countrymen. Demonstrate that we're different -- we don't *need* to satisfy some bloodlust or some huge craving for revenge; we can remain civil even in the face of extreme hate.

bash · Post by **bash** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:13 pm

Sol, my guess is the new Iraqi government will be much harder on these sort of barbaric acts then we can be, with the media glare watching our every move. I doubt the Shia are going to tolerate any terrorism, imported or domestic, and will be able to find and bring the troublemakers to justice much easier than we as foreigners who don't know the culture or the lay of the land can.

TheCops · Post by **TheCops** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:50 pm

for me this is the big red button of the wars we are involved in. my country had to respond. but what is that tiny line you cross where you become the monster you are fighting? i don't have the answer.

it is imperative that the military use the sword with discretion... but discretion will ultimately mean young americans being killed in higher numbers.

you can't claim to be "the greatest democracy on earth" and use your military like a dictatorship. imho... with the info i get through whatever media outlet... it seems this balance has been very well met. (in contrast to history)

i'm gonna type this... so don't slam me with your freakin' buzz words.

can you know what it was like to live in iraq under hussiens regime for decades and then have the living ★■◆● bombed out of your cities? only to have a bunch of americans occupy your country for a year... regardless if their intent is good? you can debate on the dbb from your 'lil computer all day... WE DON'T KNOW.

*clichÃ© alert*
"violence doesn't change minds."

bash · Post by **bash** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 9:57 pm

The bombing was much less than you make it out to be. Mistakes were made, yes, but by and large, most of the targets were legit military targets and precisely hit. That said, no, I can't imagine what it would be like to be bombed or have an occupational force in our country and hopefully I never find out. That's why I vote for strength, not appeasement or weakness.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:06 pm

Lothar wrote:The absolute worst response we could give would be the "what goes around comes around" response.

This gives us a perfect opportunity to demonstrate to the Arab world that we're *not* the devil -- instead of responding by killing a bunch of civilians, we respond by arresting the ringleaders and allowing them to be tried by their own countrymen. Demonstrate that we're different -- we don't *need* to satisfy some bloodlust or some huge craving for revenge; we can remain civil even in the face of extreme hate.

You know Lothar, if we could arrest the ringleaders we would have already. Sca-rooo civility. And yes I suppose that makes me a heartless DBB'r. In the end you can always say a novina for me

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:23 pm

Like I said in another thread, this democracy is surrounded by a bed of thorns.

Mistakes were made, yes, but by and large, most of the targets were legit military targets and precisely hit.

Bash, how many do you know that went to fight in Iraq? I know six. I know one that went to Afghanistan. My point is that I imagine this is similar, if not more so, in Iraq. These "military targets" have families, friends, same as the American soldiers do here. I am not asking you to care or weep for them. I am just making the point that if anyone that I knows dies in Iraq, I will be hurt and pissed, even though the opposition views them as "legit military targets." I am sure those on the other side feel the same.

In fact I would bet they would be a little more pissed, since I believe many in Iraq's army were forced to fight, and not given a choice. Executed on the spot as cowards if they didn't fight the Americans. Damned either way.

Please don't think I am justifying their actions. I don't by any stretch of the imagination. I hope even those whom celebrated around the corpses soon find themselves in a military prison. But I also know that I will never know what they have been through.

war is ugly.

bash · Post by **bash** » Wed Mar 31, 2004 11:50 pm

I seriously doubt you have a counterpart in Iraq saddened by how those contractors' families feel tonight. They were civilians who had no part in the attack but you find some sort of tit-for-tat logic in this crime. I'd wager if you showed up in Falujah tomorrow throwing candy and waving a peace sign you'd probably find yourself (or part of yourself) swinging from a bridge as well. Motive is morality. It was no act of revenge or battle victory. It was a murder for the cameras. Even in war there is a distinction between killing for duty and killing for joy.

Gooberman · Post by **Gooberman** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 8:22 am

1. Yes, I do believe there exist some in Iraq who view this as horrific.

"you find some sort of tit-for-tat logic in this crime."

2. Wooosh, read my post again. Especially the last paragraph.

MD-2389 · Post by **MD-2389** » Thu Apr 01, 2004 2:29 pm

*agrees with Sol*

And for the record, a damn good friend of mine is over there right now (Machine gun operator for the Marines)...and unfortunately he's gonna be in the middle of it. Another good friend of mine (chopper pilot) will be heading back over there. Don't know when though.

woodchip · Post by **woodchip** » Fri Apr 02, 2004 8:02 am

Well standthefukby, marines and Iraqi forces are surrounding Fallujah in preparation to going in and cleaning that rats nest out. Seems 3 of the killed civilian workers are ex military, one of which was a former navy seal. Justice is on the move.