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According to Paul Horneig (sp?), ex Golden Boy, for U. of Notre Dame to get on the winning track in football they have to lower their entrance requirements so they can recruit "talented" black football players. Of course Paul H. has now retracted that statement under the pressure of the press.
Then we have Spike Lee's comments about Larry Bird being a overated player because Bird was white and we heard squat from the press regarding this.
Which leads us to Limabaughs comments on a certain "overrated black quarterback" that leads to Rush's dismissal from ESPN. It's so confusing.

woodchip i think you have to agree with me in saying that this is the problem with colleges today. they put more emphasis on the athletics than they do in their mainstay, EDUCATION!!

Agreed.

Now first off, Rush Limbaugh does not deserve to be anywhere near sports broadcasting. He already sucks at one thing, he doesn't need another thing at which to suck. (Hah never end a sentence with a preposition )

That being said, I disagree with Paul HORNUNG's statements because A: the majority of the football players at ND are black anyways and B: Colleges are for educating people. Football should be secondary to that. I play football and I still believe that.

Now, as for the Larry Byrd, this is a moot point for a couple reasons. One, Byrd is old news, he's been retired for years and nobody really cares. Two, everyone knows Byrd was a great player, and Three, it has become "okay" to bash white people. Somehow over the years in the white man's effort to remain politically correct they can no longer make any sort of comment regarding other races without having to issue an apology to everybody. And at the same time, all the other races don't give a shiz and can now bash white people openly because white people are too busy being PC to retaliate. It's a vicious cycle.

Oh well, just laugh with it, it's not like its that big a deal.

Beo, I'd have to disagree with you on the Rush thing. He doesn't suck, he's the best at what he does. He's so good the liberals are deperate to find a counterpart to go up against him.
He's also pretty passionate about sports and started out working for the Kansas City Royals MLB team.
As comfortable as he is behind the mic, as quick witted as he is, as fond of his own voice as he is...well obviously he's better suited than most of the jocks who struggle to be commentators.

As far as the topic at hand, It's not that blacks are stupid but it is true that lowering the standards at Notre Dame would open the teams up to better players. You can figure out why and wrap it in any number of theories but the facts are the facts.

but why in the world should they have to lower academic standards to appease "black" people? Can they not study the same way a different race can? Are they inherently stupid? What's the deal? Education before sports in college. It's sad that this is even an issue. If they can't meet standards to even get in, how can they maintain standards that OTHER students have to meet?

Zuruck wrote:Are they inherently stupid?

I don't think so.
I think the short answer is, a higher percentage of young black men aspire to be athletically superior than the percentage of young white men who choose to do the same. It's been that way for generations.
The reason for their choice is, in my opinion, the result of influences within their social circles.

Tell a young black kid he'll likely grow up to be the next Michael Jordon and he'll probably be able to envision that possibility, tell him he'll likely grow up to be the CEO of Citi Bank and he'll probably laugh at you.
Conversly switch to a white kid and tell him the same things....
We are all a product of our enviroment.

How does that affect his grades?

Per capita fewer black kids explore their academic potential than their white counterparts. So Notre Dame has a hard time finding enough black kids qualified in both sport and academics.

Will has pretty much hit it dead on.

I challenge you to show me one statistic that says that Blacks are more naturally athletic then whites. This is the same social stigma that goes with whites being better at academics then blacks.

There are two issues that tend to polarize the groups. One, in which WR said, you tend to become what society expects you to become. More so, you tend to become what you think you can become. Second, poverty. Poor black kids see athletics as a way out, they dedicate themselves more to athletics. They spend more time practicing these athletics rather then studying.

Just to place emphases on a good analogy,

Tell a young black kid he'll likely grow up to be the next Michael Jordan and he'll probably be able to envision that possibility, tell him he'll likely grow up to be the CEO of Citi Bank and he'll probably laugh at you. -Will

I have a German friend whom is an exchange student but normally goes to Heisenburg University. They have 2000 physics majors there, we are graduating 6 this year at my college.

Are Germans naturally better at physics then Americans?

They do hold a much larger share of those whom have gone down in history as brilliant because of physics.

... also, blacks tend to grow up in crappier schools with crappier academic programs.

We can't really address the first problem (culture) but we can address the second (different quality of education). I'd prefer addressing it *before* people make it to college with an 8th-grade equivalent education, rather than trying to modify college for their sake. By trying to level the playing field at college admissions time, we implicitly condone the disparate education that leads to such an unlevel playing field in the first place.

And yeah, Will's analogy is right on -- black kids are more likely to want to be like Mike, while white kids are more likely to want to be like Bill Gates. It's what their culture tells them they should aspire to.

America continues to take steps in the direction of mediocrity.

money.

better athletics = more money for the school.

i also think rush limbaugh was entirely correct, donovan mcnabb is overrated because he's black. he's a great quaterback, but he has not played up to the hype. its too bad the white media has become so pc, now people can't say anything, truth or fabrication, that involves another race being put down without severe punishment from their bosses. spike lee can say the same thing and nobody cares, but rush limbaugh says something and is not only fired, but hounded by the media for weeks.

spike lee always was and probably always will be a racist pig. he'll say keith vanhorn was overrated because he's white years from now when he is no longer playing in new york. i mean, have you ever seen his movies? look at how spot on his dialogue is for his white characters we cant debate larry bird though, just as we cant debate who would win between kareem and shaq. personally i do feel bird was overrated, but not because he was white, because his teammates were great as well. sure he could play, but one of the best of all time? perhaps, but not in my opinion. i'd take kevin garnett over him any day, and has KG been mentioned in the same regard as bird? not that i know of. you don't see anyone contesting kareem's status as overrated, and i'm willing to bet todays atheletes would mop the floor with him. put him up against ben wallace, lets see how many points he scores. lets see him use his superior size to move shaq. you think bill russel could stop yao ming, shaq, tim duncan? i odn't, but we can't touch them like mr. lee has larry bird because they're black. so yeah, i think racism in sports is a huge problem... but not in the kkk sense of the word.

people act like because someone isnt white then they cant be racists, like it only applies to one race.

better athletics = more money for the school


That is the problem. Schools should be more like Vanderbilt and get rid of athletic programs all together when it becomes a hassel for education. It disguted me in high school because I played golf and was offered many scholarships to lots of schools but most of the time it was very partial scholarships. Football and basketball get full ride all the way. Then they tutors to do their homework and have the coaches give them money to afford their cars and such. As long as the team wins right, that's what college is about. It's not about higher education or anything else. It's a springboard for professional athletes. Look at what Uni of Colorado did to try and get players there. You think that's ok?

Really, color has nothing to do with lowering the standards. The issue is this: you will rarely find someone that is hard enough of a worker, or someone that is both smart enough, and athletic enough, to be able to focus on both. Generally, if you get brains, you don't get so much brawn and vice-versa. Also, there are only 24 hours in a day, and each person chooses how they are going to spend those hours. If someone lives for football, getting good enough to be athletically qualified to go scholarship, they will tend to lose on the academic end. What encourages this? Extremely high competition on an athletic level. Its extremely to be able to have the cake and eat it, so athletes are forced to choose.